NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

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Tampa contacted 12 teams already. They want a fifth, will likely get a sixth or seventh.

Bucs lack leverage. Tension with Freeman and Schiano is too public. They already switched to Glennon. Teams know the relationship can't be repaired. Freeman's rumored drug abuse. His poor three performances in 2013.

Sixth gets it done for someone like Minny. Cassel is fool's gold.
 
Yeah, I really don't want the "Flier on Freeman" thing anymore like I discussed last week with the news piling up lately. :lol: :smh:
 
I like how it's out there exactly how many teams we've contacted and everything. For those unfamiliar with how the Bucs organization operates...they're extremely private people. Whoever keeps leaking all this **** out is either somebody that hates Schiano, or Freeman's agent trying to make it so that we'll have to release him and still pay him while he gets to play for the team of his choice.
 
So is that Nicks for LeShoure and a draft pick still on the table? The Giants cut Da'Rell Scott today.
 
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Terrell Suggs accuses Roger Goodell of having a role in Super Bowl blackout during an interview on ESPN's "E:60" that will air tonight.
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why is suggs such a little female? all he does is cry and whine like a little *****.
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If the NFL really had a hand in this, and simply did so to try to hope for a more competitive game, couldn't they just have told the officials to call the blatant holding during the 100 yard kickoff return instead of ignoring it?
 
Jay Glazer just reported on Fox Football Daily that he was told not to go to the team meeting today. And apparently, the other players on the team think that was done to make THEM think he was blowing off the meeting.
 
:lol: looks like Tampa has been going on a slander rampage of Freeman, though his play on the field hasn't done him any favors. Nice sabotage Bucs
 
Ronde Barber just said had DeAngelo Hall and Brent Grimes in the Top 5 CBs in the NFL.... Darrelle Revis' name absent.
 
This Josh Freeman stuff is a mess.



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Ronde Barber just said had DeAngelo Hall and Brent Grimes in the Top 5 CBs in the NFL.... Darrelle Revis' name absent.
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You know I'm a homer and posting this because of the Seahawks, but it's still a good read from PFF (who are generally on point)
[h3]Top five pass-rushing NFL teams[/h3]
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1. Kansas City Chiefs: +21.4
Is there a more potent pass-rushing duo in the NFL right now than Tamba Hali  andJustin Houston? Hali has created more pressure than any other defensive player with three sacks, two hits and 24 hurries, but Houston still has the better grade. He has had 22 fewer pass-rush opportunities and gotten quicker pressure, making him the highest graded 3-4 outside linebacker with his pass rushing. While those two have been the catalyst for this ranking, it would be wrong not to mention the play of guys such as Tyson Jackson, Dontari Poe  and evenMike DeVito. Poe, in particular, is providing a great push from the middle.

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2. Seattle Seahawks: +20.7
Unsure of whether Chris Clemons  would be much of a contributor this season, the team went out and signed arguably the top marquee free-agent defensive ends in Cliff Avriland Michael Bennett. They are reaping the benefits already, because not only is Clemons back and getting pressure, but both Bennett and Avril are delivering. The hugely underrated Bennett (who avoided a serious injury Sunday in Houston) has the second-highest pass-rushing productivity score of all defensive players, and Avril is 10th in the defensive ends category. And now the Seahawks are about to get Bruce Irvin  back. He lacks a complete game, but provides an added speed element to the pass rush. If the Seahawks got more push up the middle, they'd likely be in the top spot.

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3. Detroit Lions: +19.4
There is no denying which player is most responsible for this. Ndamukong Suh, our top-ranked defensive tackle and second to only Hali in terms of quarterback disruptions, is playing lights-out right now. Sack numbers have often guided perception on the controversial figure, but it's Suh's consistent work that is getting his on-field play the acclaim it deserves. While Nick Fairley  hasn't quite delivered as the Lions would have hoped, pressure off the edge from both Willie Young  and rookie Ezekiel Ansah  has this unit trending upward after a somewhat disappointing 2012.

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4. Tennessee Titans: +15.9
The Titans are the most surprising name at the top of the pass-rushing table. We knewDerrick Morgan  could get pressure and he has done it this season with 2.0 sacks, five hits and seven hurries after his breakout 2012, where he was our fourth-ranked 4-3 defensive end. The big surprise has been Jurrell Casey, the immovable object who has become an unstoppable force. He has 17 quarterback disruptions after managing 13 in all of 2012. That has been pivotal in this team's resurgence.

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5. Baltimore Ravens: +15.1
The standouts here are the edge rushers in their nickel package. Terrell Suggs, an every-down player himself, has 20 quarterback disruptions on the year, while on 28 fewer pass-rushes (due to spending most of his time in the team's sub package), Elvis Dumervil  has 15. Baltimore's offense is struggling but the defense is as good (or even better) at getting pressure as it has been in the past.


Three best players of Week 4

1. J.J. Watt, DE, Houston Texans: +9.6
Anyone thinking Watt would rest on his laurels after his big 2012? Didn't think so. He has produced the third-highest grade we've ever given to a 3-4 defensive end after another dominating display of relentless pass rushing (a sack, two hits and six hurries) and destructive run defense. Seattle had to play backups on the O-line in several spots, and Watt took advantage. He's once again the front-runner for defensive player of the year.

2. Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts: +6.6
The numbers weren't as impressive as some other QBs, but the quality of the passing was as good as anything that we saw this week. Luck diced up the Jaguars secondary, and is enjoying the kind of impressive second NFL season the Colts would have hoped for.

3. Nate Solder, LT, New England Patriots: +6.3
And so continues the fine year of Solder. Establishing himself as one of the best left tackles in the league, he was not only perfect in pass protection against the Falcons but dominant in the run game, where the Patriots averaged 10.3 yards per carry off left tackle.


Three worst players of Week 4

1. Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens: -7.3
Making a mockery of the contract handed to him, Flacco showed a woeful disregard for identifying where Bills defenders were, throwing the ball with reckless abandon. He wasn't at all unlucky to pile up his five picks, and his poor play led directly to the team losing its second game of the year. The silver lining, perhaps, is that the Ravens had a shot to win even with all the giveaways by their QB.

2. Scott Wells, C, St. Louis Rams: -6.7
It's not often you see Glenn Dorsey  humble someone, but he had his way with Wells. The Rams center had a horrid outing as he was beat for a sack and two hurries, while his team could pick up only 9 yards rushing to either side of him.

3. Josh Robinson, CB, Minnesota Vikings: -5.7
The numbers don't lie here: Robinson allowed 12-of-14 passing on balls into his coverage, for 126 yards. His tricky conversion to slot cornerback continues to go anything but smoothly. Getting flagged for two penalties didn't help his cause either.
 
PFF also posted their new "Team of the Month" piece today.
OFFENSE

Quarterback: Peyton Manning, DEN (+18.8)

What more can you say about the month Manning has had in Denver? He matched an NFL single game record on opening night and that wasn’t even his best performance this month. In spite of the fact that his receivers have dropped 9.0% of his targeted passes (third-highest in the league) he’s still completing 75% of his throws and has an Accuracy Percentage of 85.1%. Brutal efficiency from Manning who has made full use of the Broncos’ loaded offense this month.
Honorable Mention: Philip Rivers (SD)

Running Back: LeSean McCoy, PHI (+10.9)

Off to a fast start against Washington in Week 1, McCoy forced 14 missed tackles as a runner in the first two weeks, quickly getting into a rhythm with Chip Kelly’s offense that affords him the space that makes him so dangerous. Just to add to his fine start as a runner he put up a 100-yard receiving game (including three more missed tackles) against the Chargers in Week 2.
Honorable Mention: Reggie Bush (DET)

Full Back: Anthony Sherman, KC (+6.8)

Only three fullbacks have played more snaps than Sherman and none have been more efficient as a lead blocker. On top of his work leading for Jamaal Charles he’s also added 60 yards as a receiver forcing three missed tackles on six receptions, comparable to Marcel Reece.
Honorable Mention: Colin Mooney (TEN)

Tight End: Jordan Cameron, CLV (+8.1)

The start to the season has been dominated by receiving tight ends rather than blocking tight ends and Cameron has been one of the early season’s breakout performers. Cameron’s blocking has been improved this season and he has proved to be both a reliable (one drop with 30 receptions) and explosive (20-yard gain in three of four games) receiving option for the Browns this month.
Honorable Mention: Antonio Gates (SD), Jimmy Graham (NO)

Wide Receivers: Antonio Brown, PIT (+9.1) and Andre Johnson, HST (+7.0)

There are so many receivers off to fast starts this season, there isn’t space to give them all their credit, so not making the team this month is by no means a sleight. The two that make the final cut have combined to drop no passes and have thrived on consistency with Johnson in particular metronomic on intermediate targets for Matt Schaub. Meanwhile, Brown has come up with a number of big plays including one of the best catches we’re likely to see against Bears in Week 3.
Slot Receiver: Wes Welker (DEN)
Honorable Mention: DeSean Jackson (PHI) and Jordy Nelson (GB)

Tackles:  Nate Solder, NE (+13.2) and Doug Free, DAL (+13.7)

Redemption for Doug Free who has built on a strong finish to last season (+8.3 Week 15 to 17), accepted a pay cut in the offseason and responded with some of the best form of his entire career. Free has graded positively as a pass blocker and run blocker in every game this season. Solder wins out a tight race at left tackle with improvement every week in pass protection surrendering only one hurry on 74 pass blocks in the last two games.
Honorable Mention: Cordy Glenn (BUF), Michael Roos (TEN) and Sebastian Vollmer (NE)

Guards: Evan Mathis, PHI (+14.5) and Louis Vasquez (+8.7)

The Eagles’ new offense hasn’t affected Mathis who continues to be the league’s best and most consistent run-blocking guard. His work in combination with Jason Kelce has been a big reason for McCoy’s fast start to the season — he’s averaging 8.2 yards per carry either side of Mathis thus far. Taking the other spot is new Bronco Vasquez who has been nearly flawless in pass protection for Manning and has been an excellent contributor as a mobile blocker for the running game in the last two weeks.
Honorable Mention: Kory Lichtensteiger (WAS) and Kevin Zeitler (CIN)

Center: Jason Kelce, PHI (+8.1)

While Myers has been the better pass protector in the first month of the season, Kelce’s superior run blocking over the first four weeks sees him get the nod for the team of the month. Five pressures allowed and three penalties isn’t great, but his run blocking has been matching up well against speed and power at the line of scrimmage as well as working through to linebackers at the second level.
Honorable Mention: Chris Myers (HST)

DEFENSE 

We’re using the same defensive format as our Teams of the Week. For those unfamiliar with that we put forward a hybrid defense that features two edge rushers (4-3 defensive ends or 3-4 outside linebackers), three players on the “interior” of the defensive line (defensive tackles and 3-4 defensive ends) and two linebackers (all inside linebackers and 4-3 outside linebackers).

Defensive Interior – Ends: J.J. Watt, HST (+28.9) and Ndamukong Suh, DET (+17.8)

It wouldn’t have been unreasonable to question whether J.J. Watt could repeat the frankly unbelievable form that he showed last season. Well, the first month suggests that he absolutely can, will and is, netting almost exactly the same grade as his first month last season. Next to him is Suh whose form is being hidden somewhat by persistent questions over his discipline. His 26 total pressures is second among all defenders and he hasn’t shown any weakness against this season.
Honorable Mention: Gerald McCoy (TB) and Cameron Jordan (NO)

Defensive Interior – Nose: Brandon Mebane (+11.1)

The proliferation of the passing game might be marginalizing big bodies but that doesn’t mean there aren’t still big defensive linemen playing extremely well specializing as run defenders. Mebane does just that for the Seahawks and provides just that little bit more as a pass rusher to edge out Harrison who has quickly replaced Sione Pouha for the Jets.
Honorable Mention: Damon Harrison (NYJ) and Jurrell Casey (TEN)

Edge Rushers: Robert Quinn, SL (+16.2) and Justin Houston, KC (+13.7)

Has Quinn profited from favorable matchups early in the season? Certainly. But he took full and brutal advantage of those matchups with two of our highest single game grades for a 4-3 defensive end. This is a team for the first month and Quinn fully deserves his spot but will have to do more against better tackles to make it back onto the team as we go forward. Joining him is Houston who has flourished in a more aggressive role in the Chiefs’ new defense showing consistently the destructive ability as a pass rusher that has only been glimpsed in fits and starts over the last two seasons.
Honorable Mention: Michael Johnson (CIN) and Jabaal Sheard (CLV)

Linebackers: David Harris, NYJ (+6.8) and Derrick Johnson, KC (+5.2)

Far from a vintage month for linebacker play, but Harris is off to a solid start at the heart of the Jets’ defense registering 19 stops in his first four games, a mark it took him seven games to reach a year ago, getting downhill to runners far more than he has in years past. Next to him, Johnson has just continued in a similar vein that we have seen from him in the last couple of years with improved pass coverage to add to his all-around package.
Honorable Mention: Kiko Alonso (BUF) and James Anderson (CHI)

Cornerbacks: Alterraun Verner, TEN (+9.2) and Aqib Talib, NE (+6.3)

Teams have not been shy of targeting these two in the first month of the season with 23 targets for Verner and Talib being thrown at 20 times, and things have not gone well for offenses on those 43 attempts. Verner and Talib have intercepted four passes each while letting up eight and six passes, respectively, to go with four pass defenses for Verner and three for Talib. The two lead the league in passer rating on targeted passes; Verner is allowing a passer rating of 12.9 on passes targeted to his coverage with Talib not far behind at a still-miniscule 24.8 passer rating.
Slot Corner: Leon Hall (CIN)
Honorable Mention: Darrelle Revis (TB) and Brent Grimes (MIA)

Safeties: Devin McCourty, NE (+7.1) and James Ihedigbo, BLT (+9.9)

There wasn’t a more consistent defender last season than Devin McCourty and he has started this season in the same vein with not a single negative game grade in run defense or coverage in the first month of the season. Joining him is a name few would have predicted before the season with the assumption that Ihedigbo would be pushed aside for Matt Elam in short course, but he is now starting with him and flourishing with some instinctive and decisive play in run defense and pass coverage. Ihedigbo leads all safeties with 12 stops, seven of them in run defense a mark only bettered by Bernard Pollard (9).
Honorable Mention: Barry Church (DAL) and Louis Delmas (DET)

SPECIAL TEAMS   

Kicker: Caleb Sturgis, MIA (+12.1)  What is it with rookie kickers? Sturgis has started well going 7/7 in the first month including two from beyond 50.

Punter: Johnny Hekker, SL (+12.4)  Hekker is booming out some massive kicks this season with five or more seconds of hang-time on 13 of his 25 punts.

Returner: Trindon Holliday, DEN (+2.9)  One of only two kick returners with a touchdown this year (on three returns) Holliday has also added a score on a punt return and averages 14.7 yards per.

Special Teamer: David Bruton, DEN (+5.5)  A blocked punt in the opener (and kept from another by a hold) Bruton has made big plays to go with consistency on coverage and return units.
 
Big Brandon Mebane 
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 My man lived in the backfield last Sun vs Houston - and really has done so the entire season. He's definitely benefiting from Bennett/Avril, but it's nice to see him start to get some pub. 

Also glad Antonio Brown is showing he's capable of being the #1 WR, really the only bright spot on the entire team this season (before Le'Veon Bell)
 
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1.1 % chance of Schanio being back next year. Lovie would be a good hire as long as they get a top notch offensive coordinator.
 
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Big Brandon Mebane :smh:  :pimp:  My man lived in the backfield last Sun vs Houston - and really has done so the entire season. He's definitely benefiting from Bennett/Avril, but it's nice to see him start to get some pub. 

Also glad Antonio Brown is showing he's capable of being the #1 WR, really the only bright spot on the entire team this season (before Le'Veon Bell)
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Heath Miller and his return as well. That's about it
 
“@AdamSchefter: Update: Ravens are sending multiple third-day draft picks to Jacksonville in exchange for OT Eugene Monroe.”
 
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