NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[statis22]

I though it was guys can still lower their shoulders and still be face up between the tackles but not lead with their helmet outside the tackles.

That's how I interpreted the rule.

 

[statis22]

Cannot lead with the crown of the helmet I mean.

 

[5am6oody72]

Can you guys please stop ******g pyramid quoting?

Glad to see the tuck rule gone, that never made ANY sense whatsoever The crown of the helmet rule makes sense in theory, but it will be very difficult to assess and I can foresee a lot of bad calls when dudes are actually leading with their shoulder pads.

 

[solarius49]

I though it was guys can still lower their shoulders and still be face up between the tackles but not lead with their helmet outside the tackles.

That's how I interpreted the rule.

basically.

lowering your shoulder =/= lowering your helmet....

We're talking about literally putting the crown of your helmet down and using it as a battering ram almost

how much football have you guys watched?

 

[antidope]

I'm hearing that the penalty does not apply to short yardage or goal line situations, how true is this? If posted earlier I aplogize NT mobile is too hard to use when lengthy posts are about.

How are we defining "Short yardage situation"? 3 or less?

 

[elpablo21]

I though it was guys can still lower their shoulders and still be face up between the tackles but not lead with their helmet outside the tackles.

That's how I interpreted the rule.

basically.

lowering your shoulder =/= lowering your helmet....

We're talking about literally putting the crown of your helmet down and using it as a battering ram almost

how much football have you guys watched?

How many times have you seen a defensive player lead with his shoulder pad and still get flagged/fined for the hit.

Of course they are two different things. Doesnt mean it will be called that way

but it will be very difficult to assess and I can foresee a lot of bad calls when dudes are actually leading with their shoulder pads.

 

[solarius49]

I though it was guys can still lower their shoulders and still be face up between the tackles but not lead with their helmet outside the tackles.


That's how I interpreted the rule.

basically.


lowering your shoulder =/= lowering your helmet....


We're talking about literally putting the crown of your helmet down and using it as a battering ram almost


how much football have you guys watched?

How many times have you seen a defensive player lead with his shoulder pad and still get flagged/fined for the hit.

Of course they are two different things. Doesnt mean it will be called that way

but it will be very difficult to assess and I can foresee a lot of bad calls when dudes are actually leading with their shoulder pads.

ok, but does that mean that they just shouldn't even try?

Just say **** it, just because there is human error with the refs?

I see holding on every play, but they dont call it every single time...theres human error there, they should get rid of holding too right?

 

[a55a5in11]

It's already shown that refs suk at making calls on bang bang plays with hits db's but on receivers why you guys think refs will call this right. As a fan of the Seahawks are top backs game consist of lowering the shoulder and plowing through a guy. This rule changes the way a power back runs and it's dumb

 

[a55a5in11]

It's already shown that refs suk at making calls on bang bang plays with hits db's but on receivers why you guys think refs will call this right. As a fan of the Seahawks are top backs game consist of lowering the shoulder and plowing through a guy. This rule changes the way a power back runs and it's dumb

 

[solarius49]

It's already shown that refs suk at making calls on bang bang plays with hits db's but on receivers why you guys think refs will call this right. As a fan of the Seahawks are top backs game consist of lowering the shoulder and plowing through a guy. This rule changes the way a power back runs and it's dumb

lowering the shoulder, and lowering the helmet are 2 different things

I dont even think this is remotely difficult to understand

 

[a55a5in11]

The refs already effed up all last year throwing flags at DB's for hits they thought were leading with the helmet when replay would show different.
Do you not understand that?

 

[solarius49]

The refs already effed up all last year throwing flags at DB's for hits they thought were leading with the helmet when replay would show different.
Do you not understand that?

They eff up calling holding plays on every down. Should we get rid of holding?

 

[elpablo21]

Just say **** it, just because there is human error with the refs?

I see holding on every play, but they dont call it every single time...theres human error there, they should get rid of holding too right?

Yes I agree, they should try but I feel like because of their agenda (protecting the bottom line $$$ > Safety) it will sway refs to call a penalty more often than not. Human error yes is part of the game, **** happens. I get that.

It adds on to an already challenging position for an official to make a judgement call when they are being nudged to call it rather than not to show they making way to a safer game.

It is what it is though. Players will adjust the best they can

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I am all for making football a safer game. You'll never find me asking someone to risk their life on a weekly basis for the sake of my entertainment. If these changes are necessary for football to continue being a game, then so be it. If it changes so much that the game isn't enjoyable to watch anymore, then that is how it was meant to be. Someone's quality of life isn't worth my entertainment every Sunday.

And the Tuck Rule is no more. **** you, ref who actually used it.

 

[solarius49]

I am all for making football a safer game. You'll never find me asking someone to risk their life on a weekly basis for the sake of my entertainment. If these changes are necessary for football to continue being a game, then so be it. If it changes so much that the game isn't enjoyable to watch anymore, then that is how it was meant to be. Someone's quality of life isn't worth my entertainment every Sunday.

And the Tuck Rule is no more. **** you, ref who actually used it.

 

[da doc03]

so no more of this?

 

[DeadsetAce]

can't wait to see the enforcing of this rule

 

[100027]

It's apparently not nearly as bad as its made out to be, you have to essentially leap into someone leading with the very top of your head. Seahawks blogger who wrote it up said that by the letter of the rule even Marshawn has never committed one of these in his career.

 

[DeadsetAce]

so if you don't leap...it's OK to lead with your head? so are those goal line leaps not going to be allowed?

 

[lightweight champion]

I'm gonna need to see the actual rule of this for a better judgment on whether or not this is a bad decision.

 

[solarius49]

Guys can prolong their careers, and improve their quality of life post-football.

Aside from not getting to see the big collisions, and touchdowns that you want to see. And occasionally dealing with the human error thats always been a part of the game...I'd say the good outweighs the bad

 

[lightweight champion]

"It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line)," the new rule, Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8, reads. "Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...-leading-with-helmet-made-illegal-at-2013-nfl

So it's only applicable outside of the tackle box? That's not so bad, I guess. I mainly see guys using the stiff arm near the sidelines anyway.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

I am all for making football a safer game. You'll never find me asking someone to risk their life on a weekly basis for the sake of my entertainment. If these changes are necessary for football to continue being a game, then so be it. If it changes so much that the game isn't enjoyable to watch anymore, then that is how it was meant to be. Someone's quality of life isn't worth my entertainment every Sunday.

And the Tuck Rule is no more. **** you, ref who actually used it.

[COLOR=#red]
Very well said.

Also what is being overlooked by some are two things. One being you can still lower and throw the shoulder and two you can still lower and use the bolts/face mask. The rule is for the Crow (very top) of the helmet. If that was what RBs are hitting with that means they are looking straight down and not even seeing what they are hitting.

In case anyone isn't a fighter here, the hits you don't see are the ones that will fu-k you up the most. Simple fact. I have no problem with this rule.

What's going to suck is these refs throwing the flag. It's already awful with the Receivers/DBs. Gonna be just as bad as that imo.

EDIT: Just read that whoever does hit with the crown will be fined and suspended (for repeat offenders). [/COLOR]

 

[airjordan jb23]

Jags jersey looks tough

Those Jacoby Jones .gif's got me in tears

 

[flyerthandelta]

PRETTY MUCH NO MORE TRUCKING SMHHHHHHHHH