NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[mronegative]

at the side shots at Cam...are yall really trying to compare Mark to Cam, like really?

Is Steve Smith really trying to compare Cam Newton led teams to Mark Sanchez led teams?

It's easy to kick someone when they're down, but it's also fair to think Cam Newton may never, ever make it to a Championship game in his career. For what it's worth, Mark stepped up late in games in his first 2 seasons and had some amazing moments of clarity in between his same ol, getting us to the AFCCG. And were it not for bad offensive coordinating and playcalling, he was all we needed to get to the Super Bowl. You can talk all the **** you want about what he's become now, but you can't take that away from him. And you can't act like just as ****** quarterbacks haven't thrown to you for years.

Dude actually has me rooting for Sanchez.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Dont mind Keith, he gets butthurt because every team he roots for in every sport has been pretty much irrelevant his whole life.

That's where all that angst comes from

 

[keithdajuiceman]

And what's the panthers record against the falcons in the Matt Ryan era ? Sit down with ya below average scrubs..

 

[keithdajuiceman]

Dont mind Keith, he gets butthurt because every team he roots for in every sport has been pretty much irrelevant his whole life.

That's where all that angst comes from

You're the cowboys fan tho right ?

 

[rrlegend]

a falcon fan yapping about another teams failure  

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[SneakerProSr.]

Dont mind Keith, he gets butthurt because every team he roots for in every sport has been pretty much irrelevant his whole life.

That's where all that angst comes from

You're the cowboys fan tho right ?

Naw but my basketball team alone has won as much as your whole state in every sport.

 

[jj watt]

Football

 

[fear the ibis]

Always knew McShay was horrible. Now there's actual stats to back it up.

Which NFL Draft Expert Had The Dumbest Mock Draft?
Republished with permission from Pundit Tracker.

The 2013 NFL Draft was widely viewed to be more unpredictable than most. After grading the mock drafts of Mel Kiper (ESPN), Todd McShay (ESPN), and Mike Mayock (NFL.com), we can confirm that those views proved correct: all three pundits had a rough year. Todd McShay, who was #1 in mock draft accuracy in each of the past four years, had a particularly woeful showing.

Let’s start with our simple variability measure, which is based on the difference between when each player was projected to be picked and when he was actually picked. A lower variability score is better:

Variability 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Average
Mayock 7.3 9.6 9.9 9.3 7.9 10.7 9.1
Kiper 10.1 8.8 10.4 7.7 8.5 11.7 9.6
McShay 10.7 8.7 8.8 6.8 7 21.5 10.6
The average variability for the three pundits from 2008-12 was 8.8, which underscores just how poor their 2013 performance (14.7 average) was. Big misses for all three included Sharrif Floyd going #3 to Oakland (he went #23 to Minnesota) and Eddie Lacy going late in the first round (actually went late second round). McShay and Mayock both whiffed on Geno Smith, picking him to go #6 to Cleveland (actual: #39 to Jets).

The worst projection of all, however, was McShay pegging Ryan Nassib going #7 to Buffalo (actual: #110 to the Giants). This was by the far the worst first-round projection since we started tracking the mock drafts in 2008.

Here are all the major hits and misses:

Biggest Hits and Misses (2008-2013)

The variability metric can be significantly impacted by “outliers” such as Nassib, so we have calculated a host of alternative metrics, including:

Capped Variability (lower = better): caps the maximum penalty of any pick at one round—for instance, McShay’s Nassib pick would be graded as 32 spots off rather than 103 spots
Median Error (lower = better)
Hit Rate (higher = better): pure percentage of how many picks were correct
Here are the results for these three metrics from 2008-2013.

Capped Variability 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Average
Mayock 7.3 9.6 9.3 9.3 7.9 10.3 8.9
McShay 10.7 8.7 8.7 6.8 7 12.3 9.1
Kiper 10.1 8.2 9.5 7.7 8.5 10.9 9.3
Median Error 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Average
Mayock 2 4 3 3 3.5 3.5 3.2
Kiper 3 3.5 3 4 3 3.5 3.4
McShay 4 4 3 3.5 3 5 3.8
Hit Rate 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 Average
Mayock 35% 28% 22% 28% 19% 28% 27%
Kiper 29% 25% 31% 28% 22% 25% 27%
McShay 16% 25% 34% 25% 16% 22% 23%
PunditTracker's mission is to bring accountability to the prediction industry by cataloging and scoring the predictions of pundits. This post has been corrected to reflect that Pete Thamel works for Sports Illustrated.

 

[young thundercat]

a falcon fan yapping about another teams failure   .  

exactly

 

[mr marcus]

You sound like Cam in a post-game interview right now....

The guy has played two years on a talent-bereft roster in one of the toughest divisions in the league.  Yeah, he's not going to do that by himself.

Interestingly enough postgame interviews are what Sanchez was always best at...

You're making excuses...how many games did cam lose on his own last season ?

off top I remember the falcons game and the seattle game 

I talked so much **** to panthers fans here in NC

football season on NT is great....real live **** talking 

 .....basketball season fools be too sensitive 

 

[a55a5in11]

How many playoff games has Matt Ryan won?

And how is this relevant to this discussion ? Yeah go back to diggin in your butt while men debate over here

Your talking about cam being horrible while Matty ice pack is the new generations Peyton manning.

 

[jj watt]

Always knew McShay was horrible. Now there's actual stats to back it up.

how was McShay "horrible" if he had the highest percentage the last 4 years if im reading that correctly?

and this years draft was just a hot mess

 

[jj watt]

For as much as yall **** on Matty Ice im pretty sure you'd take him on your team outside of maybe 7-8 QBs.

 

[rrlegend]

Your talking about cam being horrible while Matty ice pack is the new generations Peyton manning.

thats giving matt to much credit. 

 

[alleniversonfan01]

How many playoff games has Matt Ryan won?

And how is this relevant to this discussion ? Yeah go back to diggin in your butt while men debate over here

Your talking about cam being horrible while Matty ice pack is the new generations Peyton manning.

Did you really just say Matt Ryan is like Peyton (a future HOFer) and mean it in a bad way?

What a clown.

Matt Ryan is nice and I would take him over anyone not named Brady, Brees, or Rodgers (Jury is still out on Luck even though I think he will be a beast)

 

[rrlegend]

For as much as yall **** on Matty Ice im pretty sure you'd take him on your team outside of maybe 7-8 QBs.

depends on the situation and what team 

 

[a55a5in11]

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How many playoff games has Matt Ryan won?

And how is this relevant to this discussion ? Yeah go back to diggin in your butt while men debate over here

Your talking about cam being horrible while Matty ice pack is the new generations Peyton manning.

Did you really just say Matt Ryan is like Peyton (a future HOFer) and mean it in a bad way?

What a clown.
[/quote]

I'm a clown? Peyton is known for choking in the playoffs. So is Matt Ryan. Who the eff cares about how great you are in the regular season if you can't win in the playoffs? Y'all want a championship or a playoff berth? Peyton's Super Bowl was because his defense carried his *** every game

 

[jj watt]

 

[alleniversonfan01]

But he DOES have one doesnt he? Ya act like championships are the end all be all in football. You cant play both sides of the ball. And even still your only 1 of 11 on either side. 1 guy doesnt win championships by himself. Even @ the QB position.

So miss me with that. If you have one, good for you. But that doesnt mean your great because you have one or your not great because you dont. Ask Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer

 

[651akathepaul]

Peyton's Super Bowl was because his defense carried his *** every game

Ok ok. I'm gonna have to interrupt this debate. The Colts had one of the worst defenses that entire year. It wasn't until the playoffs that they flipped a switch of some sort and started playing very well. They certainly didn't carry that team though. That's silly.

Speaking of bad defense though..Peyton may have had another Super Bowl if the Bronco defense wasn't a bunch of idiots.

 

[jj watt]

Ok ok. I'm gonna have to interrupt this debate. The Colts had one of the worst defenses that entire year. It wasn't until the playoffs that they flipped a switch of some sort and started playing very well. They certainly didn't carry that team though. That's silly.

Speaking of bad defense though..Peyton may have had another Super Bowl if the Bronco defense wasn't a bunch of idiots.

or he didnt throw that pick...

 

[rrlegend]

Ok ok. I'm gonna have to interrupt this debate. The Colts had one of the worst defenses that entire year. It wasn't until the playoffs that they flipped a switch of some sort and started playing very well. They certainly didn't carry that team though. That's silly.

i still believe he sold his soul for that season 

 

[mronegative]

It's always something new.

Mike Goodson.

 

[jj watt]

Bob Sanders

too bad ol boy was made like sam jackson in unbreakable

 

[rrlegend]

It's always something new.

Mike Goodson.

Damn just saw obviously New Jersey gun laws are different than new Yorks put a hollow point