NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[niketalker23]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

 

[IATT]

Should be the Washington generals.. Just get rid of the Harlem globetrotter's whipping boy


How the hell they allow the Indians to have that mascot and the ******** to use that name i have no clue

 

[certifiedsw]

Crying @ Washington Cicadas

 

[Peep Game]

I'm down with the Cicadas

 

[DeadsetAce]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

well it depends on how the word is used and what context right? the n word is used ALL the time in certain instances without offending anyone.

not saying it's wrong or right. just pointing that out.

 

[a55a5in11]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

well it depends on how the word is used and what context right? the n word is used ALL the time in certain instances without offending anyone.

nah NTER23 is right, and i hate agreeing with him. People only get offended when it hurts their kind.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

well it depends on how the word is used and what context right? the n word is used ALL the time in certain instances without offending anyone.

nah NTER23 is right, and i hate agreeing with him. People only get offended when it hurts their kind.

fair enough. and i can totally understand that as long as people are consistent with it.

 

[buc em]

Lets please not turn this thread into a Native American history debate session.

 

[championboyz7]

********

It's not censored

 

[sb]

josh freeman got his jimmies rustled by tarkenton. tarkenton said he plays 'god-awful'.

lulz

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Soo are we going to censor the Cleveland Indians because of their racist mascot, or the Atlanta Braves because of the tomahawk chop?

 

[elpablo21]

I could see the Indians logo being censored..not the actual nickname like ********

Same with Braves,theyre censoring "********" because they feel its deemed a racial slur...They arent censoring everything that the team/fans do on NT, they are censoring the word for that word alone...Banning "Braves" because of the Tomahawk chop isnt really the same thing imo

but I do see your POV of this, and how this could come off as overly sensitive but I just dont see it as a big enough deal..if ppl truly feel offended by it so be it...Im not here to tell others how they should feel about a word and what they mean to them

 

[mrbkkt1]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

Honestly, I think there is such a thing as too politically correct. Yes, I'm a minority. Japanese filipino, yet honestly, when people use slurs for either, I could care less. Colorful metaphors are what makes the us unique. Any descriptive can become an insult, "cheap" "dumb" are a few. Hypebeast is another common here.
One common word here in Hawaii that has become insult like is "haole", slang for white person, but it means foreigner. People tried to ban the word.


But above everything else, is it really an insult? It only is, if we make it to be. Seriously, how many times has anyone here heard someone call somebody else a "R-skin"?

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

 

[elpablo21]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

I gotcha, I just feel the examples are a bit different

You said if they're going to ban ******** because of the "word" and its connection to racial discrimination then "Indians" and "Braves" should too...Those reasons you give are not the same

Like I said you have a point, if the logo/mascot for the Indians and the tomahawk chop were to be discussed to be banished, makes sense because people may feel those particular things to be offensive...but those gestures are not exclusive to the the terms "Indians" and "Braves"

That is why the ******** logo (as you said is a respectful image of an Native American) isnt banned from NT, or anything else related to the team banned from NT. The name stands alone, just like the Indians logo would be compared to "Indians" or the Tomahawk Chop in comparison to "Braves".

I dont disagree with the notion that there are times we can be too politically correct, or overly sensitive (someone brought up a possible racism angle regarding RG3/******** Logo tee in an article)

 

[niketalker23]

Why are you guys confused about the word "*******" being censored on NT? It's an offensive and insulting term that is the Native-American version of the N-word.



But because it's football and it doesn't offend any of you it's cool right?

Honestly, I think there is such a thing as too politically correct. Yes, I'm a minority. Japanese filipino, yet honestly, when people use slurs for either, I could care less. Colorful metaphors are what makes the us unique. Any descriptive can become an insult, "cheap" "dumb" are a few. Hypebeast is another common here.
One common word here in Hawaii that has become insult like is "haole", slang for white person, but it means foreigner. People tried to ban the word.


But above everything else, is it really an insult? It only is, if we make it to be. Seriously, how many times has anyone here heard someone call somebody else a "R-skin"?

First of all, just because YOU don't feel insulted doesn't mean it's ok to use the word because YOU think it's a colorful metaphor. It's an insulting word that a certain group of people get offended by, and therefore shouldn't be used. And who are you to deem the word not offensive anwyay, when you're not even native-american? Lastly, why does it matter how many times anybody has heard somebody call a native-american a *******? Does the lack of useage make the word less or non-offensive?

 

[niketalker23]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

What we're debating here is the cencorship of the word "*******". "Indians" isn't an offensive word when used properly. There is no non-offensive way of using the word "*******".

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

I gotcha, I just feel the examples are a bit different

You said if they're going to ban ******** because of the "word" and its connection to racial discrimination then "Indians" and "Braves" should too...Those reasons you give are not the same

Like I said you have a point, if the logo/mascot for the Indians and the tomahawk chop were to be discussed to be banished, makes sense because people may feel those particular things to be offensive...but those gestures are not exclusive to the the terms "Indians" and "Braves"

That is why the ******** logo (as you said is a respectful image of an Native American) isnt banned from NT, or anything else related to the team banned from NT. The name stands alone, just like the Indians logo would be compared to "Indians" or the Tomahawk Chop in comparison to "Braves".

I dont disagree with the notion that there are times we can be too politically correct, or overly sensitive (someone brought up a possible racism angle regarding RG3/******** Logo tee in an article)

I can understand your POV, I can see how it would be reaching. I just think it's a slippery slope once we start banning words.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

What we're debating here is the cencorship of the word "*******". "Indians" isn't an offensive word when used properly. There is no non-offensive way of using the word "*******".

Actually, I would argue it is. Native Americans is the correct term for the peoples who populated North America prior to its discovery by Europeans. I personally never refer to Native Americans as "Indians," as I find it ignorant and offensive.

 

[niketalker23]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

I gotcha, I just feel the examples are a bit different

You said if they're going to ban ******** because of the "word" and its connection to racial discrimination then "Indians" and "Braves" should too...Those reasons you give are not the same

Like I said you have a point, if the logo/mascot for the Indians and the tomahawk chop were to be discussed to be banished, makes sense because people may feel those particular things to be offensive...but those gestures are not exclusive to the the terms "Indians" and "Braves"

That is why the ******** logo (as you said is a respectful image of an Native American) isnt banned from NT, or anything else related to the team banned from NT. The name stands alone, just like the Indians logo would be compared to "Indians" or the Tomahawk Chop in comparison to "Braves".

I dont disagree with the notion that there are times we can be too politically correct, or overly sensitive (someone brought up a possible racism angle regarding RG3/******** Logo tee in an article)

I can understand your POV, I can see how it would be reaching. I just think it's a slippery slope once we start banning words.

Indians is a word used for people that are from India. ******** is a racist word used to describe native-americans. You can't comapre banning the word Indian and *******. I don't know the origin of the word "Braves" so I can't speak on it.

 

[niketalker23]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

What we're debating here is the cencorship of the word "*******". "Indians" isn't an offensive word when used properly. There is no non-offensive way of using the word "*******".

Actually, I would argue it is. Native Americans is the correct term for the peoples who populated North America prior to its discovery by Europeans. I personally never refer to Native Americans as "Indians," as I find it ignorant and offensive.

Obviously "Indians" might be offensive to Native-Americans when used to describe them, but since the word isn't SOLEY used incorrectly to desrcibe Native-Americans, you can't ban the word. There is nocorrect way of using the word "*******" the way you can with "Indians" so therefore you can't ban the word "Indians"

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I'm comparing them because when you're talking about the Cleveland Indians you're referring to this:

I don't know how you can say that using the term "Indians" in reference to the Cleveland Indians is not racist when the team's primary logo is of a literally red-skinned caricature of a Native American. It doesn't matter that the word itself supposedly isn't racist, the very fact that it connotes this image illustrates it's ignorant roots.

I understand what you're saying about the multiple uses of "Indian," I don't need you to continue repeating over and over what you're posting. I'm speaking directly to it's usage for the professional baseball team in Cleveland, Ohio. You said it yourself, "when used properly." Is it being used properly in this context?

 

[championboyz7]

Yo. There was a thread made on this elsewhere go take that crap somewhere else man.

 

[elpablo21]

What I'm trying to say is that if we're going to ban the ******** because of the relationship between the word and racial discrimination, then "Indians" and "Braves" needs to go too for the same reason. Both are connected to racially insensitive content (the Indians logo is TERRIBLY racist, whereas the ******** logo features a respectful image of a Native American) and are just as deserving for banishment.

I gotcha, I just feel the examples are a bit different

You said if they're going to ban ******** because of the "word" and its connection to racial discrimination then "Indians" and "Braves" should too...Those reasons you give are not the same

Like I said you have a point, if the logo/mascot for the Indians and the tomahawk chop were to be discussed to be banished, makes sense because people may feel those particular things to be offensive...but those gestures are not exclusive to the the terms "Indians" and "Braves"

That is why the ******** logo (as you said is a respectful image of an Native American) isnt banned from NT, or anything else related to the team banned from NT. The name stands alone, just like the Indians logo would be compared to "Indians" or the Tomahawk Chop in comparison to "Braves".

I dont disagree with the notion that there are times we can be too politically correct, or overly sensitive (someone brought up a possible racism angle regarding RG3/******** Logo tee in an article)

I can understand your POV, I can see how it would be reaching. I just think it's a slippery slope once we start banning words.

I agree, it does have the chance to open a can of worms....problem is opening up the discussion shoudnt be a bad thing.

but of course the slippery slope doesnt always lead to the positive and informative route regarding racial issues so I can't knock you for your perspective.

Alright I'm done, sorry to ruin your night championboyz

 

[100027]

I can understand your POV, I can see how it would be reaching. I just think it's a slippery slope once we start banning words.

There's no slippery slope man. Just don't say offensive s**t. I don't know how people find that so hard to do, frankly.