NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[651akathepaul]

Lacy has better numbers than Gore and played one less game. He does have more carries though.

Jordy has better receiving numbers than Boldin and that's without Rodgers for that late season stretch.

Switch each player's team and I still think they'd both have better numbers. Just my opinion though and this is coming from a Vikes fan who hates the Pack :\

I see what you're saying, but Boldin and Gore were so much more important to the Niners than Jordy and Lacy were to GB. Take both or even one of those guys off SF and they have massive offensive issues.

 

[deuce king]

 

There is truth for BB as COTY.

But Tom Brady hasn't put a full season together. He was playing like crap for the first 1/3rd. Like below league average stats.

He started off rough but then again look who he was throwing too.

Peyton was throwing to 4 guys in who;

Thomas would start on every NFL team
Decker would start on 2/3s of NFL teams
Wes would start on majority of NFL teams
Julius would start on majority of NFL teams

As for Brady....? Yea well.

Dudes are going above and beyond the call of duty to try and discredit Peyton in any way possible, quite sad.  Also, Brady possibly could have still have Wes on his team, but he decided to be a company man and didn't speak up for him to stay. 

 

[DeadsetAce]

QB #1: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat two playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.1 points per game and had 29 turnovers. Gave up 368 yards per game.
4343 yards @ 60.5%, 25 TD, 11 INT, 87.3 QB Rating

QB #2: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 20 points per game and had 27 turnovers. Gave up 357 yards per game.
3822 yards @ 60.2%, 23 TD, 9 INT, 87.0 QB Rating

QB #3: Main receiving weapon is a rookie, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.8 points per game and had 17 turnovers. Gave up 366 yards per game.
4478 yards @ 69.5%, 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating

Which one is most deserving of an MVP vote?

#1

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Elaborate.

 

[DeadsetAce]

 

There is truth for BB as COTY.


But Tom Brady hasn't put a full season together. He was playing like crap for the first 1/3rd. Like below league average stats.

He started off rough but then again look who he was throwing too.


Peyton was throwing to 4 guys in who;


Thomas would start on every NFL team

Decker would start on 2/3s of NFL teams

Wes would start on majority of NFL teams

Julius would start on majority of NFL teams


As for Brady....? Yea well.

Dudes are going above and beyond the call of duty to try and discredit Peyton in any way possible, quite sad.  Also, Brady possibly could have still have Wes on his team, but he decided to be a company man and didn't speak up for him to stay. 

he just restructured his contract to free up money to keep wes around. hush, child. don't speak on topics you're not qualified to speak on.

 

[va757va]

#3


I don't get why how many at off teams they beat matters tho. No bcs

 

[100027]

QB #1: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat two playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.1 points per game and had 29 turnovers. Gave up 368 yards per game.
4343 yards @ 60.5%, 25 TD, 11 INT, 87.3 QB Rating

QB #2: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 20 points per game and had 27 turnovers. Gave up 357 yards per game.
3822 yards @ 60.2%, 23 TD, 9 INT, 87.0 QB Rating

QB #3: Main receiving weapon is a rookie, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.8 points per game and had 17 turnovers. Gave up 366 yards per game.
4478 yards @ 69.5%, 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating

Which one is most deserving of an MVP vote?

Based on those stats it would be 3. Which is Phil, right?

 

[DeadsetAce]

Elaborate.

you're understating the lack of weapons/toys for #1

and there's an award for most/best stats....OPOY

 

[fraij da 5 11]

he just restructured his contract to free up money to keep wes around. hush, child. don't speak on topics you're not qualified to speak on.

Did he not get a fat stack of GTD cash out of that deal? 

 Dat "paycut".

 

[dmxfury]

bengals only team left to sell out. get on it, DMX!

Just authorized 100 more tickets to be bought. Found a great deal on Stub Hub

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Why'd you eem disguise the QB names... Everyone just goes to nfl.com and peeps the yardage numbers to identify anyways. 

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

I see what you're saying, but Boldin and Gore were so much more important to the Niners than Jordy and Lacy were to GB. Take both or even one of those guys off SF and they have massive offensive issues.

Yea I see what you mean too but I'm just talking about who'd I take over all cause dude said the '9ers are better at every position except QB which is highly debatable.

Anyways, Texans open to trade the #1 pick?

 

[deuce king]

he just restructured his contract to free up money to keep wes around. hush, child. don't speak on topics you're not qualified to speak on.

Noticed I said SPEAK UP......so you can hush.  Brady fans stay falling on the sword for any and everything he does, be it being a company man or signing up for bad publication photo shoots. 

 

[DeadsetAce]

he just restructured his contract to free up money to keep wes around. hush, child. don't speak on topics you're not qualified to speak on.

Did he not get a fat stack of GTD cash out of that deal?   Dat "paycut".

where's he rank on the paid list for QBs?

he still gets his money, but he gets it later. he did what he could to keep wes.

"company man"

FOH

 

[fraij da 5 11]

He did what he did with less... Wouldn't say anyone did "more" than Peyton, like ever.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Elaborate.

you're understating the lack of weapons/toys for #1

His core is comparable to #2. QB #1 also had the 9th ranked rushing attack in the league: #2 had the 20th.

 

[sb]

bengals only team left to sell out. get on it, DMX!

nick lachey

I'm still taking Lacy for the game; my personal opinion

even with the bum ankle in -20 weather. na man.

franc just woke up and caught up on this morning's activity in this thread

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There is truth for BB as COTY.

But Tom Brady hasn't put a full season together. He was playing like crap for the first 1/3rd. Like below league average stats.

He started off rough but then again look who he was throwing too.

Peyton was throwing to 4 guys in who;

Thomas would start on every NFL team
Decker would start on 2/3s of NFL teams
Wes would start on majority of NFL teams
Julius would start on majority of NFL teams

As for Brady....? Yea well.

truth to that but that is still not enough to win it over manning this year. surprised brady had no votes though. brady and hoody did a phenomenal job with scrubs and injuries this year.

QB #1: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat two playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.1 points per game and had 29 turnovers. Gave up 368 yards per game.
4343 yards @ 60.5%, 25 TD, 11 INT, 87.3 QB Rating

QB #2: Without his main receiving weapon for most of the year, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 20 points per game and had 27 turnovers. Gave up 357 yards per game.
3822 yards @ 60.2%, 23 TD, 9 INT, 87.0 QB Rating

QB #3: Main receiving weapon is a rookie, beat four playoff teams.
Defense allowed 21.8 points per game and had 17 turnovers. Gave up 366 yards per game.
4478 yards @ 69.5%, 32 TD, 11 INT, 105.5 QB Rating

Which one is most deserving of an MVP vote?

names please

 

[dmxfury]

If Peyton had just a great year than I see some strong arguments for others. But this was legendary so I completely agree with him winning when he does


I'm down with Hoodie as COTY

 

[100027]

The only way to justify Tom as MVP is if you give him ALL credit for the Pats' victories this year.

And I can't do that because he has had both very good and very bad games, talent level around him notwithstanding.

I do however give BB 100% credit, which is why he's right over Ron/Chip for me.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

If Brady is brought up in the MVP talks, while throwing to Edelman, Amedola, and rookies... then Luck better be brought up considering he was throwing to Hilton, Fleener, and rookies.

Phil Rivers deserves MVP more than Brady does.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

 

he just restructured his contract to free up money to keep wes around. hush, child. don't speak on topics you're not qualified to speak on.

Did he not get a fat stack of GTD cash out of that deal? 

 Dat "paycut".

where's he rank on the paid list for QBs?

he still gets his money, but he gets it later. he did what he could to keep wes.

"company man"

FOH

In all honesty he should be taking more of a paycut.  He could play for free and let the pats sign everyone they want.

Giselle made $42M by himself last year.

 

[deuce king]

 

Dudes are going above and beyond the call of duty to try and discredit Peyton in any way possible, quite sad.  Also, Brady possibly could have still have Wes on his team, but he decided to be a company man and didn't speak up for him to stay. 

Who discredited Peyton though?

I've never discredited Peyton for his regular season success, his post season failures are another story,

I simply stated that TB12 has a valid argument for MVP.

He did more with less IMO.

This whole "more with less" argument is pointless IMO.  Reason being, you can have all the all-star or all-pro players on a certain team but that doesn't mean they will either amount to anything or even put up the numbers to indicate as such.  At the end of the day, you have to and should respect the individuals that put up the results and have the numbers to back up what they did.  With that being said, no matter how you and others try to slice it Peyton had a better 2013 than Brady.  As the saying goes.......men lie, women lie............numbers don't. 

 

[DeadsetAce]

i'm not going to sit here and say tom should get it over peyton. not after a the guy throws 55TDs

but there's a case for it. that's the point that I'm, and i assume JJ too, is trying to make. Skip is on the extreme end of it saying he should get it hands down. i'm not going that far.

 

[100027]

If Brady is brought up in the MVP talks, while throwing to Edelman, Amedola, and rookies... then Luck better be brought up considering he was throwing to Hilton, Fleener, and rookies.

Phil Rivers deserves MVP more than Brady does.

Cam should be brought up over Luck then, because he has the worst WR core in football.

However IMO this is a stupid way to gauge an MVP and neither of them are worth discussing.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I do however give BB 100% credit, which is why he's right over Ron/Chip for me.

Exactly. BB should win COTY.