NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

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SneakerPro said:
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Caldwell didn't do any magic with Flacco. Wacco was not very good this year at all and quarterbacks don't all of a sudden go from good to great in a 4 or 5 game stretch just because of a coach. He simply got hot last year. It may have coincided with Caldwell coming in, but it could have been more of a relief than anything that Cam was out.

There's also no coincidence that Rivers had his best season in years and Mathews had the best of his career this year and all this despite losing their top two receivers before the season. Whisenhunt missed badly on Kolb, but a la a Belichick from his Cleveland days, it's sometimes that first experience that pushes you to success in your second go around after learning from the mistakes.
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Tom Brady looked like *** for half a season when he lost his top targets.

The Raven's lost Anquan, Pitta and Ray Rice had some of the worst advanced statistics a starting running back had all year,

When Jim Caldwell took over as Peyton Manning's OC his completion percentage went up every year.

Jesus Christ couldn't have made that Raven's offense go.
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^This. And not only that, but Baltimore had one of the worst o-lines in the league. Flacco was the first or second most-sacked QB, and the running game averaged like
 
Chester McFloppy said:
Jay02 said:
You could easily argue Bill needs Tom just as much. You can always throw in hypothetical situations saying this player would do this or that in whatever situation. I dont like basing arguments off of that. Its really unfair to everything Brady has accomplished to say its all Bill. Have you seen Bill win any Superbowls with someone else under center? So there's no way to know otherwise. The way I look at it is they need each other and should be appreciated equally as a player and coach.
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That's a fair point. Certain QB/coach combos just tear up the league together. They play off of each others strengths and it's amazing to watch. Even though they've been working with each other for years, the offense has changed and evolved numerous times. From run-oriented, safe, move-the chains... to a record-setting, bomb it to Randy juggernaut...to dual-TEs & ball control... to "OK Tom, do work with these random dudes."

People can say what they want about Bill and Tom being together, but it's not like they're running the same stuff from 2001 out there. 9 AFC Championship games in 11 years shows just how good these dudes are. Adapting, evolving, and continuing to win.
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I can't remember where I heard or read about it but it was talking about how much the Pats playbook as grown from when 2001. Back then the playbook was an inch or two thick but now it's like 8 or 9 times the size and has turned into a damn novel. I believe the article was emphasizing how you can't just throw any WR into the system and is often why guys get let go out of no where. It talked about how they won a Superbowl with guys like Branch who only had to study just the first chapter of the playbook compared to these rookies who need to study what is now the entire book. And you've got to believe Brady and Bill are both masterminds thats created that system together. I think it was Chad Johnson who also said a good part of the offense is reading Brady's mind by the way he looks at you. I need to find that article again.
 
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I'm hoping Caldwell is successful, I really do. He's not a bad guy at all, he's just so stoic and doesn't show ANY emotion. :lol: The anti-Schwartz, which is kinda what Detroit needs.

For his time in Indy, I feel that he was nothing more than a "yes man" for Polian . The blame shouldn't fall completely on him for their failings. Some of his decisions were questionable, but once again, I feel that Polian was pulling all the strings once Dungy retired.
 
As for the Lions hiring Caldwell, I'm just meh about it right now, let's see who he hires for his staff.

I heard one of the reasons Whisenhut took the Titans job over the Lions job is cause he wanted to switch the D to 3-4. If that's the case, I don't want a coach to can't adjust to a team's strengths.
 
I know we all LOLed about it but Jim Schwartz was horrible.

Like historically bad horrible.

Just listened to an interview from a beat writer in Detroit and dude was saying that in practice Stafford would be overthrowing dudes on go routes by 5 yards and Linehan would say "good shot Matt"

Listen to any interview Jim Schwartz ever gave about Stafford he always encouraged that *******.
 
I wouldn't be excited about Caldwell if I were a Lions fan , but his badness is probably overstated. He's at least shown the ability to be competent before.

I don't put that 2-14 Colts season on him at all, I put it on Bill Polian for just throwing random crap around Manning and going golfing while he wins you games every year.

....which strangely enough doesn't seem too far off from Ryan Grigson's strategy...
 
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SneakerPro said:
I truly think Jim Schwartz was the worst overall coach in the entire NFL.
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Did Colston know he needed to throw the ball backwards? :lol:


Play was dumb from jump. He's right there, step out, you have Colston, Meacham, and Jimmy Graham for a jump ball situation, not to mention any defensive penalty that might be called. (.00005% chance on that part)

Bad play all the way around.
 
@***a5in11 - enlighten me bro. I'm def intrigued.

10027 - if Sean Payton isn't an offensive gebius idk what to tell you. I'm willing to bet ur in the minority on that.


Eric mangeni reference?? Why?
 
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100027 said:
Apparently the Colston throw was a designed play.

Sean "boy genius" Payton.
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Sean Payton is very much the offensive genius.

One play won't change that.
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Which part was designed?

The catch and then throw? Or the catch and then throw it +6 yards down field on the 38 yd line with 7 seconds left while 6 feet from OB?

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I mean it's obvious that it was a called play... one that should never have been called at that moment. Dude hits the sideline with ANY time left on the clock at the 38 and you have a chance to lob an easy 45 yard through the air pass to a 6'7" TE or any of the other 4 WR's.

But nah, you turn to the 'hook-n-chuck-it-cross-field' page in the playbook...
 
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@***a5in11 - enlighten me bro. I'm def intrigued.

10027 - if Sean Payton isn't an offensive gebius idk what to tell you. I'm willing to bet ur in the minority on that.


Eric mangeni reference?? Why?
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Hey Sean Peyton's a great offensive coach, I just think of genius as something transcendental.... That's my opinion.
 
Fair response. I like that actually. Personally for me, I love Payton's creativity and ability to exploit mismatches.

Who do u think of as an offensive genius? Any around today ?



@fraij - Everyone has bad days/games/calls. Everyone. Why does one bad call take away from all the good he does?

Dude has put together historically good offenses.


Nd I nvr said I agreed with the call. Lol. I agree it was stupid. I'm just not into judging people off one play.or even one game.
 
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Peyton might qualify as a genius from that perspective. Because I've never seen anything like his on-field command and understanding of the game in my lifetime.

Bill Walsh would be an example. Seeing something no one else sees and truly revolutionizing the game with it.
 
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@fraij - Everyone has bad days/games/calls. Everyone. Why does one bad call take away from all the good he does?
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I never said it did.  Sorry if that was implied.

I was replying to this:
 Apparently the Colston throw was a designed play.
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I'd still want SP calling plays for my team.  But I was literally shocked when that play happened... I sat there just staring at the TV, confused as to why Colston doesn't step out and they get a much more feasable play from the 38 with plenty of time left.
 
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