Man of Steel (Superman Movie Thread) - June 14, 2013 - NEW Trailer pg20

[rfx45]

That whole fight is awesome!
Power Rangers? Avengers had colorful heroes fighting giant monsters and TDKR is more like Power Rangers? Avengers could easily say it's "morphin time!"
After seeing Ruffalo turn into Hulk about a 100 times on Epix, cgi looks too fake to me. They could have done a better job to be honest. Seeing it the first time ont he big screen, you probably wouldn't notice because it felt epic.







And how does his back being fixed within a ridiculous fast pace affect how epic his back got broken? Dude was a doctor btw iirc.

Plus this is a film about a billionaire who became a vigilante wearing a bat suit and the whole film revolve around a giant metropolis cut off from the world because a couple of bridges blew up with a bomb that was driven around the city that will detonate in a few months. Bruce super healing his broken back in a few months should not even bother you if the other scenarios in the film did not suspend your disbelief.

 

[rfx45]

 

[lamekilla]

That whole fight is awesome!
Power Rangers? Avengers had colorful heroes fighting giant monsters and TDKR is more like Power Rangers? Avengers could easily say it's "morphin time!"
After seeing Ruffalo turn into Hulk about a 100 times on Epix, cgi looks too fake to me. They could have done a better job to be honest. Seeing it the first time ont he big screen, you probably wouldn't notice because it felt epic.







And how does his back being fixed within a ridiculous fast pace affect how epic his back got broken? Dude was a doctor btw iirc.

Plus this is a film about a billionaire who became a vigilante wearing a bat suit and the whole film revolve around a giant metropolis cut off from the world because a couple of bridges blew up with a bomb that was driven around the city that will detonate in a few months. Bruce super healing his broken back in a few months should not even bother you if the other scenarios in the film did not suspend your disbelief.

I swear I tried to love this film, I really did. I mean I was so pumped. I saw BB the day it came out in theaters I saw the midnight showing of TDK so I was beyond excited for this. I waited 4 years FOUR YEARS for....talia al ghul to be killed in a car crash. For the commissioner of police to put together the most obvious clues and find out Bruce Wayne was batman only for JOHN ROBIN BLAKE to figure it out within the first 45 mins of the film? Forgive me but TDKR was just bad. Bane's dialogue though> lol

 

[jjs]

. I waited 4 years FOUR YEARS for...

is this you?

 

[nawghtyhare]

What, Zack already had very nice produced films. 300, Warchmen, dawn of the dead. All excellent movies.
Nolan was probably just used for the name.

i agree with u except dotd. that was horrible. the newborn baby zombie was kinda tight though

 

[36Hypno]

I swear I tried to love this film, I really did. I mean I was so pumped. I saw BB the day it came out in theaters I saw the midnight showing of TDK so I was beyond excited for this. I waited 4 years FOUR YEARS for....talia al ghul to be killed in a car crash. For the commissioner of police to put together the most obvious clues and find out Bruce Wayne was batman only for JOHN ROBIN BLAKE to figure it out within the first 45 mins of the film? Forgive me but TDKR was just bad. Bane's dialogue though> lol

My dude that movie is epic. The breaking scene was perfect. In five minutes:

1. Betrayed by chick he's feeling
2. Realized he was outmatched physically
3. Realized Bane was product of his mentor
4. Learned all his deception tactics were usless
5. Had all his toys taken
6. Then physically broken

I can feel the Blake part but I infered that he did a little more research then that . But Gordon was never concerned with who he trusted him implicitly. Look at all he did for him.

 

[lamekilla]

is this you?

Yeah! That's me, I was in a Harry Potter film and now I do rants on Nike Talk.........

I know this is a superman thread so I won't derail it but you guys can't be seriously defending TDKR. I thought the world came to a unanimous consensus that it sucked lol now it's getting appreciated? Aww man in about 9 months we'll all be saying how iron man 3 was misunderstood.

 

[rfx45]

Nah, TDKR is still loved by many and still considered one of the best comic book films out there despite all those criticisms. Look at the TDKR thread here, there are only a handful who hates it but majority loves it. It is nothing lime IM3 where majority hates it and only a handful enjoys it due to them not really being a comic book fan to begin with.

TDKR isn't perfect, plot is practically the same as BB and it raises plenty of stupid questions but it is still a very good film and most will still agree to that. Who decided that it sucked unanimously? Accept it that it is a comic book film and you will not be as disappointed, watch it like it is suppose to be a realistic, real world crime drama and you will definitely hate it.

 

[degenerate423]

What, Zack already had very nice produced films. 300, Warchmen, dawn of the dead. All excellent movies.
Nolan was probably just used for the name.

Nolan wrote the script...

 

[big j 33]

To say there was an "unanimous consensus" that it SUCKED is a stretch. That's really dismissive of the entire movie.

People got way too hung up in the details like "How could he get back to Gotham so fast?!?" He's Batman, that's how. Meanwhile no one seems to remember Batman falling off a god damn skyscraper onto a car and dusting himself off like it was no big deal in TDK There are obvious flaws in TDKR and they deserve to be mentioned and criticized, but as the end to a trilogy and especially as the follow up to arguably the best superhero movie ever.. it was very good.

 

[rfx45]

What, Zack already had very nice produced films. 300, Warchmen, dawn of the dead. All excellent movies.
Nolan was probably just used for the name.

Nolan wrote the script...

He didn't, he just pitched it to WB iirc, which is probably the best way to get your film approved.

It was recently revealed that he (Nolan) would take on a mentor (or "godfather") role for the Superman movie, but he's not that comfortable with that title. "It's much more specific than that," he explained, "What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago - you know, thrashing out where we might move on from 'The Dark Knight' - we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said, ' By the way, I think I know how you approach Superman,' and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I had been able to conceive of how you would address Superman in a modern context. I thought it was a very exciting idea."

Nolan said he took that idea and pitched it to Warner Bros., and the studio got excited, too. "But it's not something for me to direct," he added. "It's something we were just trying to put together a vision for, and then find the right person to take it forward."

 

[legendairy stinson]

TDK alone > Avengers AND each individual Hero's movie.

Yea I said it

 

[rfx45]

Also...

'Man of Steel' writer David S Goyer reveals comic book influences

Man of Steel's writer has revealed the comics that influenced his work.

David S Goyer also discussed Hollywood's changing approach to comic book movies during a Reddit Q&A.

"[John] Byrne's Krypton was definitely an influence, but not the only influence," said Goyer.

"Was also influenced by Alan Moore's stuff. [Grant Morrison's] All-Star Superman. Geoff Johns's stuff. Even the old Curt Swan stuff."

He was also asked about the changing tone of comic book adaptations.

"Yes, I think films are changing because of comic books," he said. "And yes, I think that that's a good thing.

"It used to be that Hollywood have a very preconceived notion about what a comic book film should be - basically, the **** Tracy film, with lots of primary colors.

"I'd like to think that Blade and Batman Begins helped change that. In a way, I think comic book films are just catching up to where comic books have been for the last 20 or 30 years."

Goyer also revealed that his dream DC Comics adaptation would be a Wonder Woman film.

 

[big j 33]

A guy found a copy of Action Comics #1 hidden in a house he bought

Probably the most unusual copy of this comic we've ever offered, this 1938 holy grail of Superman comic books was found hidden in the wall of an abandoned home.

The owner, a humble and hardworking contractor, named Gonzales, has spent years tearing down old walls and putting up new ones for his home-renovation clients. He's made a habit of leaving a quarter or dollar bill behind them, thinking that sometime in the future, someone will find his treasure and wonder who put it there. But the "hidden treasure" in the walls of the first home he'd ever purchased and renovated on his own yielded the most unusual find he could have imagined. When renovation began on the house, which was built in 1938, he and his crew started finding old newspapers from the 1930s used as insulation in the walls. But he also found a comic book, which stood out to him, because it had Superman on the cover. Curious, Gonzales looked up the comic book online-and discovered it was Action Comics 1-Superman's first appearance.

Gawker

 

[mronegative]

Look at the TDKR thread here, there are only a handful who hates it but majority loves it.

Love...is too strong.

People love TDK. They like TDKR.

I think there were a good amount of important things they didn't think worked so well. Namely the pacing. As a film, this breezes through the 2 1/2 hours. But as a story to follow, a lot of things seemed to happen too quickly or suddenly and last for longer or deeper than you're willing to believe they would. And it constantly felt like you weren't following anyone in particular.

And for me personally, there were a lot of groanworthy things like that one death scene in the truck, the orphan mindmeld that solved Batman's secret identity, Bane's voice sounding like robot Sean Connery, how they handled the police (...every cop?), how the pit works in a literary way but not exactly a cinematic way, the passage of time, the stock daytime/nighttime exchange, the way they took the mystique out of Batman's lair and the Tumbler, the twist that kinda robbed a lot from Bane's character, or how Bruce was basically crippled above all else by the loss of Rachel...

In TDK there were a lot of interesting ideas that just amazingly made for really great movie moments and kinda unforgettable lines and scenes. And there were probably as many interesting ideas that got over in Rises as there were in TDK. But there were so many more that didn't and that makes trying to love the film, complicated. In TDKR, the ideas got much more ambitious, but a lot of them just felt like Batman and Rachel falling. They felt like they got us from A to B, but something was missing. You could logic out the film, and break down what things meant, but in the moment, it feels off or incomplete or misguided.

"How could he get back to Gotham so fast?!?" He's Batman, that's how. Meanwhile no one seems to remember Batman falling off a god damn skyscraper onto a car and dusting himself off like it was no big deal in TDK

That's not fair and you know it. Movies are feelings. They're confident storytellers telling lies and using shortcuts and plotholes to smooth out the bumps on the rollercoaster. But it's because you trust the storytelling and because you're satisfied with where that helped them get, that you live with it. I mean, in Jurassic Park, there's obviously no cliff next the truck, but the T-Rex surely pushes it over one the next minute. And how does something the size of a house sneak up on people at the end of the movie?

You can always nitpick, but these aren't nitpicks. They're issues with the heart of the movie and the narrative and almost each of the characters in it. It's wrong to downplay it as, "well then you were never gonna be satisfied." I mean you'd be kinda right ...but that's wrong. They were just a few decisions away from something more. But it was satisfying.

And yeah, TDK was a tough, tough act to follow.

 

[rfx45]

I said TDKR was mostly loved because plenty stay Nolans batrilogy is the best out there. People are still going nuts with Bane to this day and completely forgot their complaints of Bane not having venom and not being 3 times the size of Batman, Bane is actually shorter than Bats.

Most even wants JGL to continue on as Batman. :x

Point is, TDKR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IM3.

And yeah, TDK is still #1 in my book, nothing else comes close. Not Avengers, not IM1, not SM2, etc... I'm hoping this film does though, I'm a bit biased and likely rank this film higher than it should be being a Superman fanboy if it is even slightly decent. If it's a very good film, I'll likely enjoy it more than TDK just because this looks to be much more action packed.

 

[degenerate423]

What, Zack already had very nice produced films. 300, Warchmen, dawn of the dead. All excellent movies.
Nolan was probably just used for the name.

Nolan wrote the script...

He didn't, he just pitched it to WB iirc, which is probably the best way to get your film approved.

It was recently revealed that he (Nolan) would take on a mentor (or "godfather") role for the Superman movie, but he's not that comfortable with that title. "It's much more specific than that," he explained, "What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago - you know, thrashing out where we might move on from 'The Dark Knight' - we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said, ' By the way, I think I know how you approach Superman,' and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I had been able to conceive of how you would address Superman in a modern context. I thought it was a very exciting idea."

Nolan said he took that idea and pitched it to Warner Bros., and the studio got excited, too. "But it's not something for me to direct," he added. "It's something we were just trying to put together a vision for, and then find the right person to take it forward."

Well, I stand corrected.  KVSM, I concede, it's Zack's film then.  Can't help but think Nolan had more of an input on the film than he's letting on, it definitely has a Nolan-esque feel to it though...

 

[evansst]

^RFX,

Do you believe that Nolan choose to focus more on the emotion purposely as supposed to a more logical plot (which is still way more logical than most marvel films)?

I feel overall TDK is the better overall movie than TDKR but I enjoyed rises more. I felt that the emotion TDK and BB lacked TDKR had. Since it was the last movie of the trilogy it made sense to go for that effect.

Initially I was a bit let down from watching TDKR because I expected a precise, well thought out, and executed plot grounded in a more realistic setting than the TDK. When I saw the movie for the second time I was in owe because my expectations coming in had changed. People need to watch the movie again because there are so many iconic moments such as:

The Bat Pod chase sequence
Bane's dialogue
The Bat sequences
Bane's take over of Gotham
The exchanges of John Blake and Batman; a mini glimpse into if Robin's character was fully fleshed out
Catwoman
And more..

I now appreciate the fact it is an emotional film that combined more elements from the comics than the predecessors (Bruce with the super prosthetic knee, Bane punching through a concrete column, The Bat) . I almost felt that Nolan purposely dropped little hints in it to say other heros could possibly exist in this reality...

Also TDK, maybe because of the different actresses that portrayed Rachel Dawes, I didn't feel emotionally invested when she died. Only time I felt any sense of true peril was the end of the film. Also how Batman sacrificed so much and personified the word hero moved me too .

 

[CP1708]

Snyder may be behind the camera, but I think Nolan's "team" is going to get a TON of the credit if this gets done right.

I don't give a damn, Nolan is going to benefit like crazy if this picture comes anywhere close to TDK. I might be leading the charge myself, hell with Snyder.

Either way, Nolan's team writing - ideaing the movie with Snyder using his visual style is perfect imo. I couldn't ask for a better collab than that.

3 weeks away? Hurry up clock.

 

[rfx45]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

^RFX,

Do you believe that Nolan choose to focus more on the emotion purposely as supposed to a more logical plot (which is still way more logical than most marvel films)?

I feel overall TDK is the better overall movie than TDKR but I enjoyed rises more. I felt that the emotion TDK and BB lacked TDKR had. Since it was the last movie of the trilogy it made sense to go for that effect.

Initially I was a bit let down from watching TDKR because I expected a precise, well thought out, and executed plot grounded in a more realistic setting than the TDK. When I saw the movie for the second time I was in owe because my expectations coming in had changed. People need to watch the movie again because there are so many iconic moments such as:

The Bat Pod chase sequence
Bane's dialogue
The Bat sequences
Bane's take over of Gotham
The exchanges of John Blake and Batman; a mini glimpse into if Robin's character was fully fleshed out
Catwoman
And more..

I now appreciate the fact it is an emotional film that combined more elements from the comics than the predecessors (Bruce with the super prosthetic knee, Bane punching through a concrete column, The Bat) . I almost felt that Nolan purposely dropped little hints in it to say other heros could possibly exist in this reality...

Also TDK, maybe because of the different actresses that portrayed Rachel Dawes, I didn't feel emotionally invested when she died. Only time I felt any sense of true peril was the end of the film. Also how Batman sacrificed so much and personified the word hero moved me too .

I am not sure if it meant to be more emotional but knowing it is the last one, the end, likely made it that way.

I mean if you really think about it, TDKR is just a little bit more out there/far fetch version of BB. The main difference is Batmans attitude, while in BB he was learning the ropes and still gaining confidence, TDKR has a confident Bats being taken down and going back to the basics and trusting others on the way. Almost exact same premise, which kind of make sense in a way that the trilogy goes in full circle, it ends the way it started. So if you had no problem with BB and it's machine that evaporates water (but for some reason doesn't evaporate the liquid inside humans bodies in the vicinity) then you have to accept TDKR for all the illogical events as well. Sure Nolan took it up a notch in TDKR but it feels like he wants to cram a bit too much in the film. It kind of felt more fast paced, going from scene to scene, event to event. We've seen these glimpses in BB and TDK but TDKR is full of it. Nolan could have probably made this into a 4 hour film if he could, it seems like he wanted to place homages everywhere int he film and there just isn't much time to he let us, the viewers, just figure things our ourselves. Like Bruce getting back to Gotham, we just assume he is Bruce and that he has connects and friends all over the world.

The faster pace probably resulted in it being more entertaining to others too, more action while plenty of emotions runs through you.


Dawes as a character always seemed kind of out of place, like they just needed a leading lady so she was put in place. It did provide a plot point of Bruce wanting to retire with her but it still felt like a secondary story in the whole Nolanverse, at least it did to me. It also didn't help that Maggie in an Imax screen is just a scary thing.

 

[lamekilla]

So BB and TDK can be based on realism and how batman would be interpreted in the real world and TDKR the conclusion has to be assessed as just a comic book film even though the other 2 before it weren't?

It's ok guys. I love batman. I loved batman begins and yes TDK is legendary but its ok to say that TDKR wasn't that good. It's not a bad movie, its really not but it doesn't live up to the standard that was set by the second film. It wasn't that hard for them to top the second one, they had 2 things they could've done either 1.) kill batman or 2.) have batman break his moral code and kill someone. It would've all came full circle either way. Instead they chose what now? A bomb with a city wide radius that batman miraculously escaped from???? Wait how's does one of the wealthiest men fake his death and is chillin in France unnoticed???? Just 1 of bajillion questions this movie left unanswered and I would've gave him the benefit of the doubt and said he was batman too but I said eff it, after watching TDK and waiting four years we deserved a better ending then that.....oh which by the way was given away in THE FIRST FREAKIN 30 MINS OF THE FILM. Lmao TDKR is legendary for all the wrong reasons

 

[MarvelSux]

mark ruffalo turning into hulk at will and punching a leviathan in the nose is better than the whole of TDK and TDKR. Movie magic man

 

[danger style]

triple entendre dont even ask me how

 

[lamekilla]

I'm a marvel fan in a DC thread. I knew I wouldn't make it out alive

 

[rfx45]

So BB and TDK can be based on realism and how batman would be interpreted in the real world and TDKR the conclusion has to be assessed as just a comic book film even though the other 2 before it weren't?

No one said that at all. Like I said, TDKR is a more far fetch version of BB, it's on a grander scale being the end of a trilogy. Plot is the same, I ma not sure where you are getting BB and TDK are real and TDKR are "comicy"? All 3 films has it's plot holes and "WTF" moments, but just like I said, TDKR being the ending, everything is just on a grander scale. It doesn't help that it followed up TDK and expectations were much bigger. Make it in this order, BB to TDKR then TDK and the trilogy would be much better and TDK will be viewed as more epic. Also keep in mind, there were reports that Nolan planned to have Joker be on the trilogy but Ledger passed away and no one really could fill those shoes. If it were true, the story might have been a huge departure from what Nolan initially viewed the trilogy.



And no one even knows your a Marvel guy, honestly have no idea, we are just responding to your post.