Man of Steel (Superman Movie Thread) - June 14, 2013 - NEW Trailer pg20

[rfx45]

I don't think they died, I believe they were sent back to the Phantom Zone.

 

[girlslovewaffles]

Good point on Screenrant about Supes killing Zod.

He already did it, in 1981. He took away Zod's powers, smashed his hand, and threw him off a cliff to his death. Then Lois turned around and punched the broad off the ledge and she died too.

Then they both smiled about it.


It's a problem NOW, when he kills Zod WITH his powers, about to fry an innocent family, and he still feels horrible about it? I don't get people these days.

You overestimate people's intelligence.

 

[CP1708]

I don't think they died, I believe they were sent back to the Phantom Zone.

How does that work? I assume that's part of the comic or something? There was no reference to that in the movie that they could be sent back, especially like that.

 

[donmega]

Dope avy donmega repped

Thanks fam.

I don't think they died, I believe they were sent back to the Phantom Zone.

Dunno if I remember it correctly, but I think he threw Zod from a hole inside the fortress.

 

[rfx45]

I don't think they died, I believe they were sent back to the Phantom Zone.

How does that work? I assume that's part of the comic or something? There was no reference to that in the movie that they could be sent back, especially like that.

They did say it, that using Kals ship (the one that sent him to Earth), activating it (vie "S" key) and colliding it with Zods ship would activate the portal to the Phantom Zone and suck them in again. Ghost JorEl taught it to Lois while in Zods ship. That could probably be explained better but I do not remember the exact words they used.


BTW my reply was on Buddhas post that the Kryptonians in the film died in the black hole.


As for Zod dying in the comics, iirc, fanboys would say it is a miniaturized version of Zod ina "pocket universe" and that it did not count.

 

[CP1708]

Oh man, my bad. I thought you were saying in 81 Zod and the chick went Phantom Zone in the fortress of Solitude.

I'm sorry, so they did in fact, die then in that film. Had my whole world confused for a minute.

 

[rfx45]

Yah, you ninja posted before my reply.

 

[meek meals]

Is Nolan attached to this and is it good?

 

[CP1708]

Is Nolan attached to this and is it good?​

Yes, and yes.

 

[rfx45]

Is Nolan attached to this and is it good?​

Nolan is the producer. It is 50/50 on how good it is based on the critics but it seems well liked here.

 

[shogun]

The Phantom Zone could've been really confusing if you don't know about it. They didn't give you a visual of it, just talked about it. If you didn't have knowledge of what it was, you'd think the Phantom Zone was them being constrained and covered in that clear liquid and placed on that ship. They would've been better off just locking them up in a normal prison and letting them blow up with the rest of the planet.

 

[rfx45]

The Phantom Zone could've been really confusing if you don't know about it. They didn't give you a visual of it, just talked about it. If you didn't have knowledge of what it was, you'd think the Phantom Zone was them being constrained and covered in that clear liquid and placed on that ship. They would've been better off just locking them up in a normal prison and letting them blow up with the rest of the planet.

I think they should just gone with the animated series version but in the film, they needed something epic and a way that they could survive Kryptons destruction and having that ship that goes into this portal to the Phantom Zone was a good way to do that.

 

[CP1708]

The Phantom Zone could've been really confusing if you don't know about it. They didn't give you a visual of it, just talked about it. If you didn't have knowledge of what it was, you'd think the Phantom Zone was them being constrained and covered in that clear liquid and placed on that ship. They would've been better off just locking them up in a normal prison and letting them blow up with the rest of the planet.

I think they should just gone with the animated series version but in the film, they needed something epic and a way that they could survive Kryptons destruction and having that ship that goes into this portal to the Phantom Zone was a good way to do that.

So they zipped them all up in a bunch of glass dildos and sent them away!

*they needed to maybe streamline those pods a bit less, I was bustin up when I seen them take off*

 

[shogun]

I'm wondering if Faora enjoyed those pods. I'm fantasizing that she did .

 

[everysingletime]

I agree with whoever posted that they thought the destruction in Metropolis seemed senseless. Superman didn't do a good job containing any of it and he even made it worse at times.

No one noticed how they were already isolated in front of Clark's home but then when Zod threatened his mother Superman spazzed and plowed Zod all the way into town.

I think this is a pretty good article addressing this issue. While the writer is clearly pro-Avengers and may come across as a bit biased, I don't think you can argue against the points he made.

I am excited that Goyer says he will refer back to the destruction in the sequel and address it, because it was one of my turn offs about the MoS movie.

How ‘The Avengers’ Exposes the Biggest Problem With ‘Man of Steel’
by Jacob Hall June 17, 2013 10:03 AM fShare on Facebook tShare on Twitter
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In most ways, it’s unfair to compare ‘Man of Steel‘ and ‘The Avengers.’

Other than the fact that they’re both expensive, large-scale superhero movies, they couldn’t be more different. Joss Whedon‘s ‘The Avengers’ represents the Marvel Studios’ modus operandi in every way: it’s scrappy, witty, silly and charming; coasting on cool and making it look easy. Zack Snyder‘s ‘Man of Steel’ is cut from the same cloth as Christopher Nolan‘s ‘The Dark Knight‘ films: it’s moody, cerebral, intense and big on dramatics, demanding that you take every frame very, very seriously.

In short, one is The Beatles and the other is a symphony. They’re both terrific in their own special ways, and putting them side-by-side seems kind of silly. Comparing two films with such divergent styles and intent just seems a little unfair. But …


There is one aspect of both films that demand comparison, not just because they’re very similar sequences in otherwise completely different films, but because they showcase two wildly different takes on the concept of cinematic superheroics. Let’s get to the point: the climax of ‘The Avengers’ makes the climax of ‘Man of Steel’ look bad in a profound and fundamental way.

Let’s first take a look at how both sequences are similar. Both films conclude with an extended action scene in a major American city (New York City in ‘The Avengers’ and the fictional Metropolis in ‘Man of Steel’), with superheroes attempting to repel an alien invasion. Both films showcase the cities getting ravaged and ruined, and both suggest the horrible deaths of countless innocent civilians. Both sequences are also big and grand, impeccably shot and irresponsible in that typical Hollywood way, where buildings crumble and explode and no one bats an eye. Most importantly (and let’s emphasize this with italics to drive it home), both are incredible and hugely entertaining action scenes that function beautifully and are a blast to watch. We can even go a step further with ‘Man of Steel’ and say that it features action beats and moments that are unlike anything we’ve seen before. On a technical level, Snyder and his team of visual effects artists have made something truly special.

With that out of the way, let’s talk about why the final 45 minutes of ‘Man of Steel’ are completely and totally broken.

When General Zod releases the World Engine (heh) and starts to forcibly terraform the Earth, his Kryptionian forces decimate a massive chunk of Metropolis. That’s expected. That’s what bad guys do, right? They attack cities and threaten the innocent and generally behave nefariously. (Never mind that Superman goes and deals with the machine wreaking havoc in the wilderness across the globe instead of its sister machine destroying an important urban populace.) Eventually, Superman does arrive in the ruined center of Metropolis for the final showdown with Zod, and the two Kryptonians proceed to kick the stuffing out of each other, flying through buildings, punching each other through parking garages and leveling just as much of the city as Zod’s Earth Engine-ing did.

Now, we know that Zod is a near-unstoppable monster, but what about Superman? The movie has revolved entirely around Clark Kent/Kal-El’s determined quest to protect the populace of his adopted planet, but here he is, toppling entire skyscrapers with single punches and casually flinging his opponent through buildings full of people. It would be one thing if we heard someone say that Metropolis has been evacuated. It would help if we saw Superman using his x-ray vision to see where he could safely toss the bad guys. Hell, it would change the entire tone of the climax if Superman attempted to move the battle away from the millions of terrified people, but he never does.

So here’s Earth’s protector, seemingly killing just as many people as the bad guys and not giving a crap. It’s especially troubling when the film cuts from Superman and Zod tearing entire buildings down to the innocent men and women watching the battle from the streets below. How many of those extras perish because Superman isn’t doing anything to prevent further damage?

Now, compare all of this to ‘The Avengers.’ To be fair, Marvel’s “Battle of New York” is also wildly destructive, and plenty of buildings do crumble into dust, and countless innocents do perish. But there’s one big difference: when the Avengers arrive on the scene and assemble, the first thing they do is hash out a plan. Captain America strategizes, placing each superhero in a place where they’ll be the most help. But his biggest and most important order? Contain the battle. Don’t let it spread across the city.

The climax of ‘The Avengers’ isn’t about all of those buildings falling down, it’s about these superheroes trying to prevent more buildings from falling down. Note other key moments: Captain America rushing to the aid of a group of police officers, helping them organize escape routes for civilians; Iron Man circling the edges of the battle, forcing Loki’s forces to stay in a four- or five-block radius of the team; a mass execution of cornered civilians prevented by Captain America’s quick thinking; and Black Widow realizing that the only way to win the battle is to close the alien portal and end it rather than keep fighting and risking more lives.

The Avengers go out of their way to protect people and to keep them safe. It’s no wonder their film ends with kids wearing ‘Avengers’ t-shirts and people shaving their facial hair to emulate Tony Stark. Meanwhile, ‘Man of Steel’ ends with Superman crying in the ruins of a city he helped destroy over the body of the guy who wrecked most of it.

‘The Avengers’ isn’t innocent of getting off on wanton destruction (Thor and the Hulk do steer a giant robot worm into a building or two, after all), but by going out of its way to paint its superheroes as protectors, the destruction is forgivable. The Avengers came to protect us and prevented countless additional deaths in the city. Meanwhile, thousands of people die in ‘Man of Steel,’ and they’d all still be alive if Superman never existed in the first place. That’s a huge problem.

‘Man of Steel’ screenwriter David S. Goyer has promised that future Superman movies will directly address the events of this film and we hope so. A sequel could retroactively make us feel better about the world’s greatest superhero ignoring the safety of the populace he swore to protect by showing Superman learn and grow (or maybe even apologize). But that’s a lesson Superman should have learned when he leveled his hometown earlier in the film: with great power comes great responsibility. Spider-Man picked this up pretty quick, but that’s something Clark Kent has yet to learn. And people died for it.

 

[rfx45]

(Never mind that Superman goes and deals with the machine wreaking havoc in the wilderness across the globe instead of its sister machine destroying an important urban populace.)

Supes had to stop the other machine before the General/Lois could use Supes ship to openup the Phantom Zone so Supes can't be on both side at once.

Avengers had more resources to contain the enemies, they can round them up with heroes that has their speciality and one of them (well actually more than one) are good tactician.

I could really tear it apart and respond to each sentence or tear Avengers apart scene per scene and criticize it but I'll quote my post a page back:

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

im kinda conflicted about the action in the movie. on one hand, after seeing SR, action was sorely needed for the movie to be successful. But on the other hand, imo i just seemed out of place for supes to indiscriminately level smallville and metropolis without really trying to divert the battle to somewhere more safer. Like, that kinda fighting makes more sense for the hulk, but seemed out of character for superman

I felt that Superman was more busy trying to stop the Kryptonians to end the problem, keep in mind that Faora said it herself that they will kill millions for every 1 person he saves. He really cannot be flying around and flying each person to safety. It is also hard to say to lure the enemies away because as you can see, Supes was overwhelmed and in a few scenes, you see him trying to fly away just to be held/pulled back. Even in the beginning, it is hard to just fly away and hope the enemies would follow. If I were the Kryptonians and I had military training and I am trying to invade something, then I would stay somewhere where the hero would be more distracted and just cause chaos.

Again I look at this as a starting point, a learning curve for Superman, an origins story. The same reason that I really have no ill feeling about him killing Zod, it's just something he can learn from and the re-precautions of his actions which I think they will touch up on in the sequel. This is what shapes him in the end, he just have to make mistakes.

I agree with that one article that they could have conveyed it better though.

‘Man of Steel’ screenwriter David S. Goyer has promised that future Superman movies will directly address the events of this film and we hope so.

Ummm, the writer itself said it is part of the plot and it will directly affect the sequel, so what is the problem?

 

[36Hypno]

^That's why I think this movie is the perfect setup for Lex.

 

[rfx45]

^That's why I think this movie is the perfect setup for Lex.

Lex campaigning for the collateral damage Supes did and that it is his fault they came to Earth and to get rid of the "alien"... I could see it.

Might be too simple though but they could put a few swerves here and there. I still do not trust Goyer w/o Nolan though.

 

[ruxxx]

@ "dildos" being used YET again in this thread.

Look... if Metropolis and Smallville got dusted down then SO BE IT.

That damn World Engine was pounding the planet like a bass drum.

Ain't nobody got time to fly around and save INDIVIDUALS when the entire future of the planet hangs in the balance.

 

[solidus snake]

Gonna finally watch this tomorrow.

Glad my hype is at appropriate levels.

 

[evansst]

I saw this movie the second time today and wow was I wrong. I have did a complete 180 on this film. I love it.

 

[Sir San Diego]

Dope movie. I took my daughters and they really enjoyed it too.

 

[2oh6ridah]

Someone asked about Superman Vs Thor?  Skip to 3:40

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Kal only fought 3 people though. Avengers had to face a whole bunch of those aliens.

I was wondering why a few more of Zod's soldiers didn't go down and join in on the brawl.

Each one of those Kryptonians would murk everyone in the Avengers outside of Thor and Hulk. Hell Loki got Thor all weak in the movie. He was underwhelming throughout the whole film.

But that's not what was originally being compared though. Of course chitauri don't comare to kryptonians (when fully powered by a yellow sun). I'm more than positive Iron Man would hold his own on with a bunch of kryptonians that haven't even honed their skills yet, who without their helmets would be immobilized. Don't matter anyway cuz none of them made a move in the end. Chilled in the ship and died/went back to the phantom zone.

I don't think they died, I believe they were sent back to the Phantom Zone.

Given what Zod said before they fought I figured they were all dead. The explanation about how to get rid of them and stop the engines had me thinking black hole meant death for them cuz I know in the old Earth 2 version kryptonians were weak to black holes and coudl die from them. I didn't know Jor-El was basically saying black hole = phantom zone.

 

[36Hypno]

But that's not what originally being compared though. I'm more than positive Iron Man would hold his own on with a bunch of kryptonians that haven't even honed their skills yet, who without their helmets would be immobilized. Don't matter anyway cuz none of them made a move in the end. Chilled in the ship and died.

Either you don't understand how strong kryptonians are or you think too highly of Iron Man....or both