Phil Jackson: "Michael Jordan was fouled on every single play."

DatZNasty:

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MJ pushed off on Russel, yes he got away with that one.
I'm sure MJ did push Byron at some point in his career, and I'm sure he has gotten away with it during his career.

But here? Right before this shot was taken?

Nope. Watch the replay again, but this time watch it like this: forgetting what you think you know.
- Jordan's hand never presses into Bryon's body, and I'm pretty sure you have to press someone in order to push them
- Bryon was defending the drive so hard, he was setting himself up to be crossed. The worst offensive player in the league today would have known to stop andpop right there

Do you have the Ultimate Jordan DVD released last year, that has all of Jordan's videos + 5 of his most memorable games? In EVERY single game (except the69 on Boston), Jordan does that same exact move from the same exact spot... SAME EXACT MOVE FROM THE SAME EXACT SPOT... at least once. And it was nevercalled. Through those other 4 games on the DVD, that is at LEAST 4 other occurrences where he did the EXACT same thing from the EXACT same spot, and at least 4times where no call was made; not on him, and not on his defender. Some games, he did it twice.

On the DVD, you can see once where he did it in the flu game on Hornacek and I swear, Hornacek looked like a carbon copy of Bryon Russell right before that'Last Shot'.

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It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.
Wait what? I just watched both those vids a few times and it was obvious to me that he didnt push. bryon just got crossed HARD and cus he wasplaying up on MJ so tough it exaggerated his reaction to the cross

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It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.

[color= rgb(255, 255, 255)]no. MJ's used that move so many times before.... It was a hard crossover. If hepushed hard enough to make Russell stumble like that, then his hand would still be on Russell's leg instead of sliding down. Regardless, the crossover hadRussell already out of the picture. And even if it was a push, it is not even close to 'the best example of blatant[/color] favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.' As [color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]GUNNA mentioned above, "favorite calls" are much worse in today'sNBA[/color]

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Clutchshooter:

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ok i just watched the play multiple times from varying angles, paying special attention to the contact between hand and hip, and how the hell can anyone say 'there is no pressing'.

It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.

This is not a push.



That's someone getting crossed. Pretend you didn't know the names of the two players, and just look at that, still frame by still frame.

Also, pretend you didn't hate the favortism that you mentioned runs rampant in the NBA, because I can see that's clouding your view.

I'm not saying favortism doesn't exist, but...
- I'm not going to say it's exclusive to the NBA, or even sports. It's a part of life. Does it need to change? Of course. Is it just in the NBA?Nope. Is it worst in the NBA than other sports? Nope.
- My disdain for favortism hasn't tainted my view of this particular play, and neither has the 'He pushed!!' hype.

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Originally Posted by chitown4eva

Let me help you out Curtis...

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ok i just watched the play multiple times from varying angles, paying special attention to the contact between hand and hip, and how the hell can anyone say 'there is no pressing'.

It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.

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OHyeah10

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jordan was a bum. he had to have been paying those refs for any call

smh

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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

Clutchshooter:

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ok i just watched the play multiple times from varying angles, paying special attention to the contact between hand and hip, and how the hell can anyone say 'there is no pressing'.

It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by P MAC ONE

Mike got away with so much. Ask Bryon Russell.

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lobotomybeats

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23ska909red02

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Clutchshooter

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ok i just watched the play multiple times from varying angles, paying special attention to the contact between hand and hip, and how the hell can anyone say 'there is no pressing'.

It was a PUSH and it is the best example of the blatant favourtism that runs rampant in the NBA.

This is not a push.



That's someone getting crossed. Pretend you didn't know the names of the two players, and just look at that, still frame by still frame.

Also, pretend you didn't hate the favortism that you mentioned runs rampant in the NBA, because I can see that's clouding your view.

I'm not saying favortism doesn't exist, but...
- I'm not going to say it's exclusive to the NBA, or even sports. It's a part of life. Does it need to change? Of course. Is it just in the NBA? Nope. Is it worst in the NBA than other sports? Nope.
- My disdain for favortism hasn't going tainted for this particular play, and neither has the 'He pushed!!' hype.

Ska going all Zupruder Film on your#$*@+$.

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Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

quit hatin'

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Also, pretend you didn't hate the favortism that you mentioned runs rampant in the NBA, because I can see that's clouding your view.
Ive been around long enough and i seen enough posts and members to know that im one of the few consistently objective members on this board..

It wouldnt matter who the players were as i never allow my personal preference for a player(s) to skew my judgement when it comes to the integrity of whateverthe particuar sport in question is.

of course russell overplaying mj made it all the more easy, it's not as if he had to move russell entirely of his own strength, however mj's arm wasobviously used in a motion intended to clear away the defender. that + the fact of physical contact = offensive foul, ie: push.

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DatZNasty wrote:

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MJ's left hand was smooth on Russell's%$$% when he crossed. People acting like it isn't possible having played ball before.

@ that notion

I cant remember the last week where I didn't play ball at least a few hours that week; during the semester, I'd guess I average about 10 hours a week.

Nice try, though.

I was going to say earlier, "If you think this was a push, you probably suck at defense," but then I thought, "Nah, no need to try and knockpeople down that disagree with me. I'm better than that."

Clearly you're not.

Xtapolapacetl wrote:

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Dude's in here trying way too hard.

Mike pushed off Russell. I don't see how this can be argued. What can be argued is to what degree the push helped MJ get the shot off. Whether Russell would've managed to guard MJ better without the push, etc. And this is what MJ fans cling on to. But this is just changing the subject IMO. It still doesn't change the fact that MJ pushed off. Whether Russell would've still been left off in the dust without the push is irrelevant. MJ pushed him off. Nothing that happens after the moment where MJ pushed him off can alter the fact that MJ indeed did push him off.

Listen, bud... I have seen this thing from so many angles it's ridiculous. I have a feeling that the only clip you've see is the infamousone that everyone shows, the angle shot behind MJ's back.

But first, I'm not trying too hard at all. I have no reason to defend MJ; he's not even my GOAT. I have Jordans, and I love Jordans, but I'm noJordan loyalist.

That's not what this is about.

It's simply about analyzing the play, as if the player's names were John Doe and Billy Hubrick.

Now, if I'm the offensive player and my hand TOUCHES you, the defensive player, that's not a push. We're just standing still. My hand touches you.Not a push.

Now if we're in motion, traveling the same direction, and my hand touches you, that's still not a push.

If you're talking about two equal objects traveling in the same direction, unless one's course is altered by the other, then neither was pushed.

Contact does not equal a push.

I think it's interesting that people like yourself are so quick to say that he definitely pushed off (because they see what they think is his hand touchingBryon's back*), but you all are quick to omit that Bryon also had his hand on MJ, meaning that it is JUST AS POSSIBLE that Bryon pulled MJ forward, whichwould also be a foul. It's just as possible that MJ pushed off, exerting his diagonally forward momentum through a slight push, as it is that Bryon pulledforward, exerting his diagonally backward momentum through a slight pull.

*It is absolutely NOT conclusive that MJ touched Bryon's body, because there is no conclusive evidence that proves against the possibility that MJ simplymade contact with Bryon's jersey, but not his body. It is entirely possible that MJ's hand simply pressed into Bryon's jersey, never pressing intoBryon's body.

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as if the players name were John Doe and Billy Hubrick.

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