Ben Wallace and Joakim Noah separated in locker room...at half time..UPDATES

BG is basically Jason Terry

I wish. BG doesn't have half the handles of Jason Terry. Ben is probably a better shooter, but he can't create many of his shots because of poordribbling. Dwight Howard is forcing Ben Gordon turnovers FROM BEYOND THE ARC. It's depressing.
 
Ben Wallace was brought to Chicago to be a veteran presence and a leader on a young team with loads of upside, but he's played terribly, and hasn't taken charge of that locker room like you'd assume he did in Detroit.
Don't assume that Ben was a locker room leader in Detroit.....
Dude was never that vocal type dude, but he's always been moody/emotional type but it's been overshadowed because Detroit was winning.

He made it an issue when Carlisle and Brown didn't include him in the offense.
He just totally tuned Flip out from day one (at least from what I've read).

Yeah he's a hard worker and leads by example on the court....but off the court, the guy is something else
 
Noah seems more goofy than hate-worthy. Ben Wallace seems like he walks around entitled to things. He's lost major points for his performance &attitude with the Bulls.
 
Ben Wallace is making 15,500,000$ to shoot 33% from the field, 47% from the ft line, for 4pts in 34 minutes

and this dude has the nerve to be going to his agent getting Paxson fired

going to coach asking coach to extend Noah's suspension

halfassing to 4pts and 3 boards and having a good ol' time on the bench while the team is losing by 30pts
 
Noah needs to learn a little bit respect before he plays with any team he has to deal with losing the nba has it's ups and downs and he's not use to ityet
 
I dont know about you guys, but I like the fire Noah seems to have. If the situation was reported right, the Bulls shouldnt be laughing it up when theyregetting rolled over.
 
i think the situation goes both ways. true ben wallace should not have been laughing and joking around on the bench but noah should not have came at him theway he did. noah's attitude towards playing is one that where I could see him rubbing many people the wrong way. he is melodramatic and lets his emotionsget the best of him when he plays. i think he could be an effective player in the future but he needs to learn to turn that emotion into something constructiveon the court even though he was having a decent game.
 
Don't assume that Ben was a locker room leader in Detroit.....
Dude was never that vocal type dude, but he's always been moody/emotional type but it's been overshadowed because Detroit was winning.

He made it an issue when Carlisle and Brown didn't include him in the offense.
He just totally tuned Flip out from day one (at least from what I've read).

Yeah he's a hard worker and leads by example on the court...
That last part is more what I meant... In Detroit, you knew Ben Wallace because he'd bust his butt on the court and do all the dirty work. Hewas that 'Do as I do' type guy on the court who's energy and intensity was something his teammates could feed off of. That's more what I meantwhen I said he was a leader for the Pistons... In Chicago? Not so much. He's been a tremendous letdown on the court, and it seems he's becoming moretrouble than he's worth in the locker room.
 
Originally Posted by Enlightened Thought

am i missing something here? why is everyone bashing noah? he was mad at the team for not playing hard...

Exactly, the biggest reason why the Bulls suck is because of Ben Wallace, one of the most overrated players in nba history. It pisses me off everytimelooking at a Hornets game and watching Tyson Chandler playing. How could you be laughing when losing by thirty points. I am no Joakim Noah fan but he shouldbe getting all of Wallace's playing time cuz he can do everything Wallace can and actually pass the ball and make more than 50 percent of his free throws. Wallace is pathetic and the biggest reason why I don't root for the Bulls like I used to
 
As a Knick fan, I want Noah on the Knicks ASAP, if the Knicks had a 1/10th of his heart we would be top 4 in the East.
 
I'm not saying Noah is in the wrong for wanting a teammate to show some concern about winning, but he needs to choose his battles. It's all locker roompolitics. Take a more common look at what is going ong....If you are a new college grad fresh on the job, you need to know office politics before you startyapping your mouth. If your company's stock is down, you don't go start saying Bob, who has been working in his field for 10 years, is taking 2 hourlunches everday and that's why the stock is down. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT, you just don't say it because it's politics. The only thing you dois go in everyday and give your 100%. Let others be. If you're good at what you do, you will work yourself into a better situation, even if the company youare with now tanks.
 
I'm with the Ratface on this one. Losing ain't funny. But he's gotta find a better way to approach if it if he's so adamant about changingtheir ways. Yelling at Big Ben isn't the answer
 
The last time I checked, Noah is in the NBA with grown man. It would totally acceptable
for a veteran to criticize his teammates like Noah did but rookies just can't do that... It
leads one to come across as better than the rest of the crew; a team of players more
experienced than he is by all measurments.

Tough position for Noah, if indeed it is genuine emotion, but he just has to shut his mouth,
buy his time and produce on the floor regardless of others. He is not going to save the team
by any means.
 
Originally Posted by Ghenges

I'm not saying Noah is in the wrong for wanting a teammate to show some concern about winning, but he needs to choose his battles. It's all locker room politics. Take a more common look at what is going ong....If you are a new college grad fresh on the job, you need to know office politics before you start yapping your mouth. If your company's stock is down, you don't go start saying Bob, who has been working in his field for 10 years, is taking 2 hour lunches everday and that's why the stock is down. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT, you just don't say it because it's politics. The only thing you do is go in everyday and give your 100%. Let others be. If you're good at what you do, you will work yourself into a better situation, even if the company you are with now tanks.

Exactly. Even LeBron deferred to Ricky Davis his rookie year.
 
It never says Noah said anything directly to anybody. Hell, the first time they got mad at him it was about him talking to reporters in vague basketball clicheterms (i.e we gotta play harder, they're beating us to every loose ball, we're not executing, etc.) not even using any names. It seems like Ben justhas a guilty conscience because he thought nobody was noticing how bad he is playing. It's like if you yell out, "did somebody fart?" the firstperson to go " NO!! I don't smell nothing!" is the one who did it.

We're onto you Ben. Stop farting. Everyone knows it's you stinking up the place.

Ben is the one who is walking around with a sense of entitlement, getting coaches fired by admitting he's not going playing hard under him, getting guyssuspended, all the while giving you 4ppg on 33% fg, 47%ft in 34 mins for $15,500,000. Ican't stress that enough. Read that!
 
Originally Posted by DatZNasty

It never says Noah said anything directly to anybody. Hell, the first time they got mad at him it was about him talking to reporters in vague basketball cliche terms (i.e we gotta play harder, they're beating us to every loose ball, we're not executing, etc.) not even using any names. It seems like Ben just has a guilty conscience because he thought nobody was noticing how bad he is playing. It's like if you yell out, "did somebody fart?" the first person to go " NO!! I don't smell nothing!" is the one who did it.

We're onto you Ben. Stop farting. Everyone knows it's you stinking up the place.

Ben is the one who is walking around with a sense of entitlement, getting coaches fired by admitting he's not going playing hard under him, getting guys suspended, all the while giving you 4ppg on 33% fg, 47%ft in 34 mins for $15,500,000. I can't stress that enough. Read that!

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True though.
 
As Ghenges said it all comes down to the relationship between a veteran and a rookie. No matter how talented a rookie is they are to be seen not heard. Noahcame in from the first game of the season and started yapping his mouth. Scott S had to call him out about that.
 
Originally Posted by DatZNasty

It seems like Ben just has a guilty conscience because he thought nobody was noticing how bad he is playing. It's like if you yell out, "did somebody fart?" the first person to go " NO!! I don't smell nothing!" is the one who did it.

We're onto you Ben. Stop farting. Everyone knows it's you stinking up the place.

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Damn. As funny as this is, it's a good analysis. Ben is officially a bum now, I'm glad everyone's starting to notice.
 
Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Wow, I'm so glad the Suns didn't draft this fool.
I know that if the ATL pick would have gone to us, we'd have wasted it on that bum.

No need to worry...the Suns would've just turned around and sold Noah for like $250 anyways.

I actually LOVE this. All Noah cares about is winning, playing hard, and having fun while doing this. I really can't respect somebody who is making a lotof money to be in the gym every day and not care about winning or playing for your teammates. It's more than just laughing on the bench; Bulls fans havehad to watch these scrubs play selfish all year.

Ben Wallace needs to demand a trade to the Knicks so he can have a locker room of "happy" times.
 
I believer they are now 6-5 when he plays 15 +. Certainly better than when he's not there based on record.

it aint rocket science, dude is a winner, period. And he can come home to NY anytime
 
Noah reminds me of Lastings Milledge.

Anyways the Bulls are just a mess right now. They just cant go anywhere the way the team is right now.
 
Bulls can still make this work..they need to get rid of Ben Wallace first, and if i was the Bulls id trade Ben Gordon.
 
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