2008 Senior Bowl Week Thread

[wildout4]

• Michigan's Shawn Crable looks the part and stands out physically but he appeared to be a little awkward in his movements at times. Virginia Tech's Xavier Adibi was very active in 7-on-7's while UNLV's Beau Bell showed good range to the sideline and in coverage.
look out for my dude beau this game. homie is gonna be lighting people up.

 

[joe mcknight is ballin]

^^from reading some practice ovbservations beau bell looks pretty bad in coverage. also other stuff from peoples observation:

- bowman trying to do his best troy williamson impression and dropping everything thrown at him
- ellis looks like the best player there

- dequan tribble is a ****** and getting burnt to a crisp by every wr alive word to ahmad carroll
- eddie royal looking real good
- henne looks like the best qb on the north squad

 

[yngseancombs12]

He's been back and forth from WR to RB his whole career until his senior year. ECU wasn't really trying to run the ball too much at the start of the season and when they did Johnson exploded.
Not true..I go to ECU and know dude...he was a RB his ENTIRE career, even though he lined up at WR occasionally. Coming out of HS he was theanchor on the fastest 4 X 100 team in the nation and was supposedly recruited to be a WR but stuck at RB. He had a pretty good freshman year but his sophomoreand junior years we're disappointing. His senior year I guess he finally put it together and figured out how to be a true RB instead of always looking tobounce outside. But, once he hits open field I've NEVER seen him get caught. They say he's tone he fastest, if not THE fastest player in collegefootball. I definitely don't think he's and every down back but has 3rd down back skills and he returned some punts and kicks for us as well.

 

[downtown43]

They say he's tone he fastest, if not THE fastest player in college football.

doubt he's the fastest in the country, maybe the fastest in the senior class though

i saw this dude in ECUs bowl game, he was

. real explosive playmaker type

 

[gunna get it]

as long as trindon Holiday is playing football, he is the fastest player in college hands down, undebatable.

 

[allen3xis]

dorien not that explosive? ahh man U R buggin.
he's a little frail compared to Steve Smith too, imo.

Smith is a different athlete than Bryant to me

 

[N41D]

South Practice tidbits...

It was pretty overcast at Ladd-Peebles Stadium this morning but still a little warmer that it was yesterday. For the first time this week the North squad practiced in full pads today and there was a noticeable difference in the intensity, with a lot of big hits delivered throughout the session. As always there were a lot of interesting matchups today and if you're a fan of watching the big uglies in the trenches then this is your team and once again the offensive tackles were impressive.

• Yesterday USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis showed off his ability to wreak havoc in the backfield and today he showed he could be just as effective against the run. Ellis has looked every bit the part of a Top 10 pick so far.
• I continue to be impressed with Nebraska offensive tackle Carl Nicks, who looks like a great natural athlete despite his massive size but he is still raw and plays too high at times.
• Boston College offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus may be a very large man but he also moves his feet well.
• Indiana cornerback Tracy Porter was okay yesterday but he was even better today, jumping a route to intercept a Joe Flacco pass in 7-on-7's on a play that would have been a "Pick 6" in a real game. He also did a nice job of sticking with his guy in coverage.
• USC offensive guard Drew Radovich stood out today, playing real physical and displaying a strong initial punch and some pop.
• Penn St. linebacker Dan Connor had a mixed day. On one run play he couldn't shed a Mike Pollak block and was neutralized but later he separated Marcus Smith from the ball with a big hit in coverage.
• Once again none of the North quarterbacks really stood out. USC's John David Booty and Delaware's Joe Flacco looked pretty average and the best of the bunch today was Michigan's Chad Henne. Overall though I am still waiting for one of these guys to step up.
• Iowa cornerback Charles Godfrey had another nice day in coverage, even drawing praise from Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan for his efforts in 7-on-7's.
• The nightmare continues for Oklahoma St. wideout Adarius Bowman, who seems to be dropping more balls than he is catching. Then when he finally did catch one in 11-on-11's he fumbled! At this point it's more of a confidence issue than anything else and it was clear he is very frustrated right now. New Mexico's Marcus Smith also had a couple more drops today and afterward hit the ground for some pushups.
• Michigan St. tight end Kellen Davis looked awfully good, making a nice catch in 11-on-11's and showing some aggressiveness as a blocker in positional drills.
• One of the surprises of the week for me so far has been California wide receiver Lavelle Hawkins, who followed up a strong first day with another terrific showing. Hawkins made at least a couple of impressive catches, although he had some issues with rounding off his routes.
• Purdue's Cliff Avril struggles at the point of attack and was physically dominated on more than one occasion. Granted he is going up against some excellent offensive tackles but it's becoming clear to me that his best fit at the next level will come as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.
• The transition to linebacker continues for Bruce Davis of UCLA, although he did flash a couple of times and made some nice tackles including one in space.
• Notre Dame safety Tom Zbikowski laid a bit hit on Justin Forsett toward the end of practice.
• USC linebacker Keith Rivers is real vocal on the field and had another strong showing. On one play he got good pressure on the quarterback after avoiding a block on a blitz.
• Nevada linebacker Beau Bell got dinged up and was down on the field for a few minutes but was able to walk off under his own power.
• Michigan's Shawn Crable delivered a big hit on Owen Schmitt today.
• Oklahoma St. running back Dantrell Savage isn't very big but he showed some toughness running inside today.
• East Carolina's Chris Johnson, Indiana's Tracy Porter, Purdue's Dorien Bryant, Virginia Tech's Eddie Royal, Colorado's Terrence Wheatley and Lavelle Hawkins and Justin Forsett, both of Cal, worked as kick returners.
• Boston College's DeJuan Tribble struggled to keep up with the wideouts in coverage today.
• Michigan safety Jamar Adams did a nice job in coverage, showing the ability to hold his own against smaller, quicker wideouts.
• Kansas St. wide receiver Jordy Nelson beat USC's Terrell Thomas for a touchdown today but that may have been more of a case of Thomas struggling than Nelson excelling.
• Cal running back Justin Forsett displayed nice vision and cut-back ability today.
• Oregon St. kicker Alexis Serna showed he has 50+ yard range and he hit all of his attempts at the end of practice.
• It's a position that doesn't get a lot of attention but Indiana long-snapper Tim Bugg has been very accurate and is definitely a draftable prospect.

All in all there weren't necessarily any performances that just blew you away today but there were a lot of guys who did a solid job and helped themselves. Going forward I think the big storyline will continue to be the offensive linemen on the North team and in my four years of coming down here this is probably the most impressive group as a whole that I have seen. That's another day down for the North but there is still plenty more to come so be sure to check back for all the latest from Mobile as NFL Draft Countdown's unparallel coverage of the Senior Bowl continues.

 

[gunna get it]

• It has become apparent in just two practices that Purdue WR Dorien Bryant is the most polished receiver here. With good quickness off the line, Bryant shows the ability to break down a corner's cushion right out of the gate. Bryant also attacks defenders with proper position that creates leverage, giving him the ability to get solid separation out of his breaks. One of Bryant's highlights Tuesday came during the one-on-one period. Showing sound technique getting off the line against press man, he was able to swim and get to the outside. Displaying great body control, he instantly stopped on a fade thrown behind him and attacked the ball, coming down with the reception. Adding to his résumé, Bryant also looked very effective as a return man during the special teams period.

NFLdraftcountdown has been on top of Tracy Porter al yr. He looks like he gonna hold them down

 

[theone2401]

• The nightmare continues for Oklahoma St. wideout Adarius Bowman, who seems to be dropping more balls than he is catching. Then when he finally did catch one in 11-on-11's he fumbled! At this point it's more of a confidence issue than anything else and it was clear he is very frustrated right now.

Oh well so much for showing up Adarius.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

• Oregon St. kicker Alexis Serna showed he has 50+ yard range and he hit all of his attempts at the end of practice.

Scoop 'em up N.O or Jacksonville... I think dude will be a solid kicker in the L.

 

[N41D]

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South practice; Tuesday afternoon…

Finally felt just a tad overdressed as the sun came out once in a while, the winds died away and the temperatures finally got above whatever is freezing down in this part of the world. (Still, there hasn't been a hint of a snowflake since we got here!). Whether it was the fact that the wind was down, the South QBs threw the ball much better this afternoon. In fact, Andre' Woodson appears to have separated himself from at least the other South passers; Woodson has a very compact, economical release, however, he still appears to be more of a touch passer than a cannon and in fact, really doesn't put all that much mustard on his passes. Perhaps as a result, he seems to have an inordinate number of passes that are just a tad behind the intended receiver. Meanwhile, Hawaii QB Col Brennan gets plenty of zip on his passes but has a really unorthodox delivery. Indeed, whereas most passers start their release from a cocked position somewhere behind their ear, Brennan literally shoots from the hip with his release starting down around his waist. As such when his mechanics are on Brennan throws darts, but when they are off the ball sails.

Florida WR Andre Caldwell stills appears to be the top receiver on the South team but Donnie Avery may be giving him a run for his money. Avery hauled in one deep pattern that would have gone for a long TD and then made a couple of catches in traffic in 11-on-11 play. Avery though did muff a hand-off on a reverse failing to hook with Tennesse QB Erik Ainge. On the other hand, Louisville WR Harry Douglas continued to struggle to get open and again dropped too many passes. Texas WR Limas Sweed also dropped a couple of passes however the big former Longhorn at least has an excuse. Sweed just had the cast removed from his wrist last week after undergoing surgery to repair several partially torn ligaments earlier this season. in his left wrist. In fact, doctors reportedly told Sweed not to play in the Senior Bowl, however, he decided to participate even though he hasn't taken part in live drills for weeks and still doesn't have full range of motion and is wearing a brace.

For the most part Tuesday afternoon we concentrated on the offensive and defensive lines. And for the most part, especially in the live 11-on-11 scrimmage, the defensive front dominated their offensive counterparts. With the full offense running a handful of plays against the full defense, DEs Jeremy Thompson of Wake Forest and Darrell Robertson of Georgia Tech and Maryland DT Dre Moore had the equivalent of sacks, while Kentucky OLB Wesley Woodyard did a nice job stretching out a wide running play for little or no gain. In fact, Tech's Robertson has quietly emerged as one of the South's better defenders. Robertson is a rangy defender with a quick first step and a nice swim move who was also given a few reps at OLB this afternoon. Wake's Thompson also has made his share of plays, however, if he doesn't beat his man with his first move will often not get off the line of scrimmage at all. On the other hand, Alabama DE Wallace Gilberry didn't show much in the way of explosion or upper body strength and often got little penetration, although he was able to run around Newberry OT Heath Benedict with relative ease on one rush. Benedict, though, had more success against Hampton DE Kendall Langford in a dual of smaller-school stars, when he was able to muscle the former Pirate to the ground. At the same time, though, pro scouts had to be a little disappointed with what they saw from Texas A&M DT Red Bryant. Bryant worked hard, but for the most part, was a straight ahead bull-rusher who tended to get too high too early and really struggled to make a whole lot of consistent penetration up field. Same for Maryland's Moore who is big, but doesn't show much quickness or lateral agility.

As noted it was a very inconsistent afternoon for the South offensive lineman. The main problem seems to be that while the O-line has plenty of size there isn't a lot of foot speed or quickness out there. One clue about the line's troubles is that even with better known prospects on the roster like Vanderbilt's Chris Williams, Barry Richardson of Clemson and the afore-mentioned Benedict, the nominal first-tem LT for the South appears to be little-known Oneil Cousins of UTEP. And Cousins, a one-time defensive lineman, did show some of the best foot quickness among the South's offensive linemen; he also has long arms but doesn't always get the necessary extension to cut-off a quick outside pass rush and needs to work on his change of direction skills. Meanwhile, Vandy's Williams had an up-and-down day winning some battles, but losing a few too many others, again especially when trying to stay to the outside with a quick edge rush. Clemson' Richardson on the other hand really struggled. No question, the 331-pounder is huge with a massive lower body, but he really couldn't move his feet and may have to find a home at OG or C to play at the next level. Texas A&M C Cody Wallace also continued to be badly overmatched as he was seldom able to hold the point of attack against bull rushers or stay with even rudimentary moves. In fact, a case could be made that Wake Forest C Steve Justice was the South's most consistent lineman at least this afternoon. While not as big as most of his linemates, the 290-pound Justice consistently got good position and leverage and was able to stay between his man and the ball without conceding much penetration. Pitt C/G Mike McGlynn also had a decent afternoon; McGlynn wasn't all that artistic but he's a battler with good technique.

This and that… The 'mismatch' of the day had to go to the aptly named Kentucky RB Rafael Little when the 194-pounder, who somehow ended up as the wedge-buster on the KO team, collided with 321-pound OT Heath Benedict who was anchoring the wedge. It was a lumpy day all-around for Little, who actually has shown some explosive quickness in Mobile, as he got pasted by South Florida LB Ben Moffitt in a pass-rush drill… After being scolded several times by 49ers' coaches during Monday's initial workout, Georgia Tech MLB Phillip Wheeler was around the ball all afternoon and showed some emotional leadership while he was at it… The play of the day though came from Tennessee State DB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie who made an acrobatic, leaping interception… Mississippi State DE/LB Titus Brown has worked at both positions this week and looks far more comfortable coming off the edge than he does playing in reverse… North DT Kentwan Balmer of North Carolina, who had a strong practice on Monday, strained a hamstring and will not participate the remainder of the week. Balmer will be replaced by Iowa State DT Ahtyba Rubin, who played well at last week's Shrine Game… The early reports on UNLV LB Beau Bell, who went down in a heap with a knee injury in the morning practice, may be positive; a final diagnosis won't be known until Bell gets the results of the MRI he underwent this afternoon, but the early indications are that it is only a sprain, although like Balmer he won't play again this week.

North practice; Tuesday morning…

Former Southern Cal assistant Lane Kiffin, now the head man at Oakland, put the North Senior Bowl team, including 9 other former Trojans through a brisk workout this morning. The offense was pretty conservative today without too many throws downfield, but the early returns suggest the North QBs - Chad Henne of Mchigan, USC's John David Booty and Joe Flacco of Delaware - may have a slight edge over their South counterparts. Like the three South QBs, the North QBs struggle with accuracy issues, but generally showed stronger arms. Flacco, who replaced Boston College's Matt Ryan on the North team may have the most upside of any of this year's Senior Bowl passers. Flacco is a big guy with a very strong arm who can make all the throws. Flacco also has surprising mobility for a 6-5, 230-plus pounder. This morning, for example, he pulled the ball down and was 15-20 yards up field before he was 'touched' down.

Arguably the most talented group in Mobile this year may be the North LB corps which include first round prospects Keith Rivers of USC, Dan Connor of Penn State, and Xavier of Virginia Tech, along with Shawn Crable of Michigan, Jordon Dizon of Colorado, Beau Bell of UNLV and converted UCLA DE Bruce Davis. Indeed, one can just see the competitive juices flowing even when the players are going through simple positional drills. There are also some interesting differences in the players' respective skill sets. Rivers, for example, is a rangy type who runs very well and is very smooth changing directions. Same story for Connor who has great feet, although he actually looks a little on the small side; indeed, Connor, who isn't particularly thick through the lower body, almost looks more like a big safety than a LB. In a pass-rush drill Connor just danced around a couple of would-be blockers including West Virginia FB Owen Schmitt who is still trying to figure out which direction he went. Same for Va Tech's Adibi who was just too quick for the North backs to block. Dizon is also a tad on the small side, but is thicker through his lower body; Dizon also runs and turns extremely well. On the other hand, neither Bell nor Crable is particularly smooth in transition. Bell, though, was very physical and aggressive in pursuit. Same for Crable, although he did badly overrun one play in the 11-on-11 work, and looked stiff at times in space. Unfortunately, though, Bell went down with an apparent knee injury late in the practice and while he was able to walk off the field on his own, the training staff was obviously concerned.

Meanwhile, Southern Cal DT Sedrick Ellis continued to give the North offensive line fits. Ellis isn't particularly tall, but he just explodes off the snap, keeps his pads low, his feet moving and goes hard to the whistle. Same story for Notre Dame DT Trevor Laws who is built along the same lines as Ellis and goes as hard, but isn't as quick or explosive. On the other hand, NC State DT Demario Pressley struggled to make much headway in one-on-one drills with the offensive line. Several of the North DEs also struggled in the pass-rush drill. USC DE Lawrence Jackson, for example, appeared to get a good jump off the snap but was seldom able to turn the corner. Same for Eastern Michigan DE Jason Jones, who certainly looks the part and appears to have a decent first-step, but needs work on his secondary moves; Jones may also need to work on his upper body strength. In contrast, Chris Ellis of Virginia Tech, another rangy DE with a solid lower body who looks good in pads, showed good explosion off the snap and used his arms well to disengage. At the same time, Cliff Avril of Purdue was able to run around his man on a couple of plays, but wasn't able to make penetration if he didn't beat his man on his first step.

USC OT Sam Baker may be the biggest name. but Boston College OT Gosder Cherilus was the most dominating North OT this morning. Cherilus moves his feet well, sets up efficiently and simply engulfed pass rushers with his upper body strength. Cherilus, though, still needs to concentrate on keeping his pads low. Baker also had his moments shutting down several outside pass rushers. Baker, though, also shut down his feet a couple of times and was run around. In fact, Baker's teammate OG Drew Radovich had the more consistent morning; Radovich did a nice job locking onto opposing pass rushers and keeping his feet alive. It was a solid morning all around for the North offensive line as OTs Kirk Barton of Ohio State and Nebraska's Carl Nicks were physically dominating, although neither appeared to be overly quick or athletic. OGs Roy Schuening of Oregon State and Chad Rinehart of Northern Iowa were also solid as was Arizona State C Mike Pollak.

Today's North practice didn't really emphasize the pass, but receivers Adarius Bowman of Oklahoma State and Jordy Nelson of Kansas State had bounce back performances of sort this morning although neither caught anything downfield. The most dangerous North eceiver though was Eddie Royal of Virginia Tech who left both CBs Terrell Thomas of USC and Boston College's DeJuan Tribble in his wake on successive go-routes. Thomas in fact appeared to be chasing the ball most of the morning as did Terrence Wheatley of Colorado. Indiana C Tracy Porter, on the other hand, may have been the top defensive player of the day, Porter had an interception in a 7-on-7 drill and otherwise was pretty tight in coverage and then made a great read to stuff a screen pass. Chris Godfey of Iowa also very physical in coverage. Safety Thomas DeCoud of California also had a solid workout.
Couple more pictures worth posting...

 

[iye2]

Dorien Bryant

.
He was a virtual no show against any secondary w/ a pulse this yr. not to mention -6yds against tosu

.
But, idk..

Good to see Cordle holdin his own against those 'speed rushers'.

Jamar laying a hit.

 

[juvedagreat]

who seen Red bryant givin some O-lineman from Vandy the business? Dudewas throwing rights and lefts

connecting on everything. I think dude had his helmet on too

 

[gunna get it]

 

[allen3xis]

Colt only weighs 185?

 

[downtown43]

at Colt's visor. hes probably not gonna be able to play with that though

 

[theone2401]

Yo Gunna you been watching the practices on NFL Network?

Mayock was gettin on Dorian saying as quick as he is he gets no seperation. He wasnt breaking dudes down like Eddie Royal or Hawkins. (Even Bowman was runningsome good routes fpr a big dude

). But apparently it aint stopping himfrom catching the rock so I dunno. You think its his route running and he is giving his pattern away or you think he just aint that explosive like some peoplehave said. Cause I think I even saw Tribble stay with him and the way he been looking he dont look like he could stay with nobody

 

[gunna get it]

these games are used to nit pick players weaknesses and define their strengths.
Bryant played in bogus system so of course his route running aint @@+% whatit could be. but explosive is all He got.

im thinking, thats some kinda positive right there (seperation, adjustment, hands, etc)

I mean, the word is he has shown the most overall skill.

Ive been missing the practices but Ive tivo'd them, so Ill have to catch them after the game and judge for myself.

 

[theone2401]

im thinking, thats some kinda positive right there (seperation, adjustment, hands, etc)

I mean, the word is he has shown the most overall skill.
Yea he looks real good from what I see personally. He isnt Avery or Royal but he defiently be moving. Thats why I mentioned his route runningcause if you watch him run he definetly got the quicks to get open. And he has been catching the ball all day regardless. The corners on the North team though

And if Mayock calls Josh David Booty JDBOOTY one more time

Heads up 49 fans. Mike Martz has developed a man crush on Colt Brennan

 

[wildkycat]

who's the weight room warrior for OSU?

 

[Chester McFloppy]

theone2401 wrote:

Heads up 49 fans. Mike Martz has developed a man crush on Colt Brennan

Wonderful.

 

[mart1n payne]

• Nevada linebacker Beau Bell got dinged up and was down on the field for a few minutes but was able to walk off under his own power.

they should've gave this dude's spot to SpencerLarson. Spencer played far better competition in the pac-10 than this dude did at UNLV.

whoever this is giving Owen the business must be powerful as hell. ohyea,

@ owen shmitt gettin the business

clownin' with the visor. colt goin in....
but at 185? somebody get this dude some creatine monohydrate asap

 

[N41D]

@ Colt's visor... Dude is wild. People talkin about Colt got the frailest lower body they've seen in years for a 'legitimate' QBprospect heading into the draft...

 

[allen3xis]

He damn near got his body broke in half vs UGA...wherever he goes better have some nice protection for him

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by YngSeanCombs12

He's been back and forth from WR to RB his whole career until his senior year. ECU wasn't really trying to run the ball too much at the start of the season and when they did Johnson exploded.

Not true..I go to ECU and know dude...he was a RB his ENTIRE career, even though he lined up at WR occasionally. Coming out of HS he was the anchor on the fastest 4 X 100 team in the nation and was supposedly recruited to be a WR but stuck at RB. He had a pretty good freshman year but his sophomore and junior years we're disappointing. His senior year I guess he finally put it together and figured out how to be a true RB instead of always looking to bounce outside. But, once he hits open field I've NEVER seen him get caught. They say he's tone he fastest, if not THE fastest player in college football. I definitely don't think he's and every down back but has 3rd down back skills and he returned some punts and kicks for us as well.

For the most part you are right, but there were a bunch of times where he bounced around in spring practice. He never go comfy.