Mayo potentially violates NCAA rules; accepts tickets from Carmelo.

Originally Posted by MrMoneyInDaBank

If thats the way its worded in the rule book can't Melo say he would have given them to any USC student and not only Mayo.

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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

I think it's ******ed, but I can the problems.

#1- Obviously, it puts the Nuggets at an unfair advantage, like they're ahead in the recruitment game.

#2- It's not fair to the rest of the student body. Mayo deserves free tickets as much as some other outstanding USC scholar or some other phenomenal USC athlete in another sport, or some other student-athlete who's excelling at both their sport and their studies, but Melo's not hooking them up.

It's mainly about fairness, and the rule is already in place. It's not like they saw Mayo at the game, did some research, and then said, 'Alright, new rule: you can't get tickets for free.' No. The rule was already there. Melo was in college, so he knows it, and I'm sure Mayo has already been educated about the rule.

Here's my question, though and it has NOTHING to do with this case): what if Mayo was Melo's cousin? We all know that NBAers get a certain amount of tickets to give to their family. So what if Mayo was his cousin, and this whole time, Mayo was frequently at Nuggets games, on the road and at Melo's home in Denver? Then what? The day he becomes an NCAA athlete, he has to stop accepting the tickets?

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i know a lot of my college professors say is NETWORKING is key, well why cant these athletes be allowed to "network" in their profession?
Seriously.

I would've lost eligibility early on w/ all the free stuff I got.

Ska -- I disagree that it's an advantage for the Nuggets...that's connecting the next dot when I don't think the team Melo is on matters at all toOJ. Not to mention....who's to say Melo is even in Denver when OJ's Rookie deal is up?

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USC's compliance officer should be fired btw.


For what?

We are SC...

[Would Insert "Training Day" clip "King Kong ain't got...on me", but it has profanity]

I think it's ******ed, but I can see the problems.

#1- Obviously, it puts the Nuggets at an unfair advantage, like they're ahead in the recruitment game.

#2- It's not fair to the rest of the student body. Mayo deserves free tickets as much as some other outstanding USC scholar or some other phenomenal USC athlete in another sport, or some other student-athlete who's excelling at both their sport and their studies, but Melo's not hooking them up.

It's mainly about fairness, and the rule is already in place. It's not like they saw Mayo at the game, did some research, and then said, 'Alright, new rule: you can't get tickets for free.' No. The rule was already there. Melo was in college, so he knows it, and I'm sure Mayo has already been educated about the rule.

Here's my question, though and it has NOTHING to do with this case): what if Mayo was Melo's cousin? We all know that NBAers get a certain amount of tickets to give to their family. So what if Mayo was his cousin, and this whole time, Mayo was frequently at Nuggets games, on the road and at Melo's home in Denver? Then what? The day he becomes an NCAA athlete, he has to stop accepting the tickets?
I usually don't disagree with you because you make valid points, but I disagree with you on this one.

#1 - I don't see any "recruiting advantage" for the Nuggets, the reason has already been stated. Mayo has to enter the draft, furthermore, hehas to fall to the Nuggets, which is unlikely.

#2 - Why isn't it fair to the student body? In this case, it isn't fair to the athlete. Especially if you go to UCLA or USC, you have to be a sociallame to not make connections and score free tickets to an event. Chances are you will get to know someone, that knows someone and they hook you up withtickets from a season ticket holder or you might get lucky and have a friend with parents that already have season tickets. It happens all the time, Mayo wasa at a party hosted by 'Melo and was invited as his guest to the Laker game. I have been to a ton of Laker/Clipper games, regular season and playoffs. Ihate the Lakers, and have never paid to see them play, but I have gone with comped tickets plenty of times. From the article, it seems that Mayo and Melo hada chat, at the end of the chat Melo told him "Hey, why don't you come to the game tomorrow?", Mayo said yes, like anyone who has recieved free@$@*.

It is a stupid rule, because people in the student body get hooked up with @$@* all the time. A majority of people on NT are college students, how many havebeen hooked up by someone? Yes, even something as a shoe discount for flirting with the cashier,

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Furthermore, just because a rule is in place does not make it right.

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Keep walking down the rows is the best feeling when looking for your seats.
or the always wonderful: "You're down there" [Usher points to seats near courtside]

The best things in life are free...

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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

I think it's ******ed, but I can see the problems.

#1- Obviously, it puts the Nuggets at an unfair advantage, like they're ahead in the recruitment game.

#2- It's not fair to the rest of the student body. Mayo deserves free tickets as much as some other outstanding USC scholar or some other phenomenal USC athlete in another sport, or some other student-athlete who's excelling at both their sport and their studies, but Melo's not hooking them up.

It's mainly about fairness, and the rule is already in place. It's not like they saw Mayo at the game, did some research, and then said, 'Alright, new rule: you can't get tickets for free.' No. The rule was already there. Melo was in college, so he knows it, and I'm sure Mayo has already been educated about the rule.

Here's my question, though and it has NOTHING to do with this case): what if Mayo was Melo's cousin? We all know that NBAers get a certain amount of tickets to give to their family. So what if Mayo was his cousin, and this whole time, Mayo was frequently at Nuggets games, on the road and at Melo's home in Denver? Then what? The day he becomes an NCAA athlete, he has to stop accepting the tickets?

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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

^ Yes, rules like these are why kids want to skip college and go pro; not because you can make millions in the pros. No, they're wanting to skip college so they don't have to worry about these kinds of trifling rules.

B1LLY, IRON MAN- I see what you guys are saying, but I've always been a stickler for rules.

I mean, the rule's there... and he broke it.

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[h1]COLLEGE BASKETBALL; N.C.A.A. Rule Is Resulting In Suspensions And Anger[/h1]

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By JOE DRAPE

Published: March 5, 2000

It has been a part of the National Collegiate Athletic Association rule book for at least 15 years: college athletes are not to receive preferential treatment, gifts or other special benefits because of their athletic skills.

Until recently, the rule was usually invoked after college boosters and professional agents gave gifts and cash to athletes.

But in the past 12 weeks, seven players have been suspended at top basketball programs, including St. John's University, for alleged violations that occurred when they were high school students. That brings to 19 the number of athletes who have been penalized under the amateurism and extra-benefits bylaws in the past two years.

The latest possible violation was announced yesterday when Temple said it had suspended its starting center, Kevin Lyde, for its game against George Washington. The university said it was investigating whether Lyde's Amateur Athletic Union coach paid for a summer-school course he took as a 17-year-old high school student in 1997.

Temple's announcement came just a day after St. John's guard Erick Barkley was reinstated for today's game against Miami, after he had served a one-game suspension for accepting tuition aid to attend a prep school.

As St. John's Coach Mike Jarvis was by Barkley's suspension, Temple Coach John Chaney was infuriated.

''If there was a book that had every profane word you could think of, I would put them in a couple of -- you would need more than one -- trash cans and heave it onto the N.C.A.A.,'' Chaney said after Temple's 98-67 victory at George Washington yesterday. ''It is truly unbelievable. Why don't they go back to the crib. Why don't they go back and see if the kid changed his diapers in the crib? I don't understand it. I've never heard of this rule.''

A lot of coaches seem to be saying that, and asking why the N.C.A.A. is suddenly cracking down on what many people had long considered an acceptable practice -- subsidizing tuition for gifted athletes who need better grades and test scores to get into college.

N.C.A.A. officials say the rash of cases is a coincidence. ''The rules were put in place by a vote of the N.C.A.A. membership,'' said the organization spokesman Wally Renfro. ''Until those rules are changed by the N.C.A.A. membership, the rules are enforced when information is obtained that violations have occurred.''

Some coaches and university officials -- with Jarvis and St. John's the most vocal -- suggest that the suspensions are an impetus for the N.C.A.A. to pass ground-breaking legislation that will allow student-athletes to move from high school to the professional ranks and back to participate in college if it looks as if they had made a mistake.

''This is about politics and getting rules changed; if they can prove that college basketball is out of control they can pass this proposed legislation,'' said Jarvis, whose opinions have been echoed by the National Association of Basketball Coaches and such high-profile colleagues as Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.

The N.C.A.A. notes that the organization has only acted on information that has been presented to the enforcement staff. Of the seven basketball cases, three resulted from information that was a byproduct of a continuing federal grand jury investigation of an A.A.U. coach in Kansas City, Mo.:

*The Missouri freshman Kareem Rush was suspended for nine games because the N.C.A.A. determined that while he was at Pembroke Hill High in Kansas City, Mo., he received improper benefits from his former A.A.U. coach.

*Rush's brother, the U.C.L.A. sophomore JaRon Rush, took $6,525 from the coach and was initially suspended for most of this season and 17 games next season, but the N.C.A.A. shortened his suspension to 9 games after he agreed to pay the money back.

*Andre Williams of Oklahoma State missed five games for accepting $20,000 in tuition aid from a Kansas City businessman to attend the same prep school as Barkley -- Maine Central Institute. The businessman, Tom Grant, funded the summer team, but also has a charitable foundation that has provided more than $1 million in tuition aid to predominately non-athletes.

hree other cases were reported by the athletes' universities:

*The Lyde case, which Chaney said developed after a reporter from The Washington Post called the university on Thursday to ask about the 1997 course. Temple Athletic Director Dave O'Brien said he hoped the matter would be resolved with the N.C.A.A. tomorrow.

*Jamal Crawford, a freshman at Michigan, was suspended until Feb. 24 for receiving improper benefits from Barry Henthorn, the president of Innovative Communication Technologies. Crawford lived with Henthorn for the three years he attended Rainier Beach High School in Seattle. Henthorn furnished Crawford with a room in his house, clothes, spending money and a Jeep Grand Cherokee during his final year in high school. (Last week, Crawford received an additional eight-game suspension for seeking early entry to the N.B.A. draft as a high school senior.)

*Cincinnati's DerMarr Johnson was suspended for one game last week for receiving $7,000, also to attend Maine Central Institute.

Only Barkley's case was the result of the N.C.A.A.'s investigative effort; it occurred after the program was reported for possible violations.

An eighth college star, Chris Porter of Auburn, was also suspended by his school last week, but his case involves a more traditional violation: university officials acknowledged he accepted $2,500 from an associate of an agent to keep his mother from being evicted from her home.

Barkley was first punished for a more traditional allegation, too. He was suspended two games in the beginning of February for swapping cars with a family friend who also was a summer league coach. The N.C.A.A. first suspended him for three games, but an appeals committee reduced the punishment by a game after concluding that he didn't receive an extra benefit. He missed last week's game against Seton Hall for accepting $3,500 in tuition and tutoring fees from Riverside Church. Like Williams and Johnson, he must repay the money to charity by the time he completes his college eligibility.

N.C.A.A. officials acknowledge they are setting precedent with the recent cases, but they have not explained why the precedent is being set now. In an extraordinary and unusual statement that rebuked St. John's for providing misleading information to the news media and for not playing by N.C.A.A. rules, the organization's president, Cedric W. Dempsey, offered only this by way of explanation:

''This is the rule that is in place. It was put in place by a vote of the N.C.A.A. membership. Until those rules are changed by the N.C.A.A. membership, the rules are enforced when information is obtained that violations have occurred.''

The unstated explanation is that in the process of making these cases, the N.C.A.A. enforcement staff has made universities and its players wary of summer league coaches, street agents and benefactors.

Jarvis, Chaney and other basketball coaches are upset because this looks like revisionist enforcement. ''I don't know how they're going to investigate us,'' Chaney said yesterday about the Lyde case. ''I didn't even know Kevin in the 11th grade. I didn't even know this rule existed.''

Still, it is an exaggeration to suggest that this is the work of the N.C.A.A.'s Amateurism and Agents Subcommittee, which is proposing the change in the amateur rule. Under the proposal, an athlete could compete in organized professional sports after high school graduation and still maintain intercollegiate eligibility. For each year in ''organized sport,'' one year of eligibility would be lost. A player who left the pro ranks to return to college would have to sit out one season before competing.

The basketball coaches will meet with an N.C.A.A. representative to discuss the idea next month during the Final Four in Indianapolis. The N.C.A.A. subcommittee will meet with member conferences during the spring and summer. The proposal will go to the N.C.A.A. Management Council in October and out for comment for 60 days.

Then the subcommittee will make a presentation during the January convention. There will be a final review in April 2001 by the Management Council, then back to the N.C.A.A. board of directors that spring where it will pass or fail.

Jarvis's assertion that the N.C.A.A. is trying to prove that college basketball is out of control contradicts past N.C.A.A. case records. The organization's rulings, as well as numerous books, have detailed a milieu where summer league coaches, shoe companies, agents and street agents have had too much influence on young basketball players. In fact, in the St. John's inquiry , N.C.A.A. investigators want to talk to one New York basketball enthusiast who was implicated in a recruiting scandal at Syracuse a decade ago.
Jarvis has consistently vowed to work within the system to change the system. His track record as a coach, educator and president of the coaches association indicate that he will keep his word. But what the N.C.A.A told St. John's last week was that as a member of the N.C.A.A., it helped create the rules. And until they are changed, coach and university must play by them.


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imaniketalker:

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Melo should have asked Mayo if he had a quarter on him. That way it wouldn't be a gift.

Nope, that won't work either. The rules states that students are not allowed to receive "free or reduced-cost admission to professionalathletics."

So the only way to get in... is to buy a ticket.

I don't know why you guys are acting like the only to get things done is through a connection. I mean, I do know, but it's a ******ed argument.

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