Larry Brown on the knicks: "It was hell.. I don't wish that on anybody"

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[h1]IT'S A GARDEN OF ... 'SPIES' & GOONS[/h1][h2]BROWN TELLS OF SNOOPS, SNUBS AND KNICK HELL[/h2][h3]By MARC BERMAN[/h3]
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UNDER SURVEILLANCE:Larry Brown had to watch his back during his disastrous one-year run as Knick coach - as he says there were "spies" throughout the Garden watching him closely.

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January 23, 2008 -- Former Knick coach Larry Brown finally struck back at the franchise, complaining about "spies throughout the arena" watchinghis movements and the cold shoulder he received in his final doomed weeks.

Brown had been on a gag order after a settlement was reached on his contract that netted him an additional $18.5 million. He raked in $28 million total forone season in which he guided the original Team Titanic to a 23-59 record in 2005-2006.

Sources said Commissioner David Stern told Brown he could not speak about the KnicksNew York Knicks
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But in February's issue of Philadelphia Magazine, Brown, now a Sixers executive, said, "Imagine when you get to work, they don't talk to you.They had security people standing close to me in press conferences, and spies throughout the arena."

Brown got in trouble with owner James Dolan not just for the horrendous record but for violating media policies that forbid talking to reporters without apublic-relations official present.

The policy also forbids criticizing players to the media without telling the player to his face - something Brown did regularly.

After it was reported Brown would be fired, he conducted a handful of roadside interviews with beat writers staking him out by the practice facility. TheKnicks would not allow Brown to talk to the press during the 40-day period in which Dolan let Brown twist in the wind.

The cold shoulder Brown referred to came during the 40-day waiting period that followed Peter Vecsey's report that Dolan was mulling firing him. ThoughBrown was conducting pre-draft workouts for the club, Brown and team president Isiah Thomas never talked.

It came to a head when Brown and Thomas sat at opposite sides of the arena during the 2006 pre-draft camp in Orlando, never looking at each other.

The Knicks declined comment yesterday, but a source said Brown was also not returning hellos from staffers.

The Hall of Fame coach has since returned to Philadelphia, serving as an executive vice president with the 76ers.

Brown said he had no interest in replacing current coach Maurice Cheeks because he "could never stab Mo in the back like that."

"I still want to coach," Brown said. "I don't want to coach here. I don't want it to end the way it did in New York. I don't wishthat on anybody."
 
ISIAH WON'T RETURN FIRE
LARRY 'JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT'
By BRIAN LEWIS

January 24, 2008 -- For the first time since Larry Brown's firing from the Knicks, Isiah Thomas yesterday addressed the topic. After Brown had been quoteddiscussing the cold shoulder he got from the Knicks and the "spies" he said the team had throughout the Garden, Thomas broke a virtual yearlongsilence.


"Coach had a great career and we respect him - things just didn't work out," Thomas said.

"But in terms of his body of work, what he means to the sport and what he's done for the game, it's unquestioned. When we hired him, we allthought it would be different than the way it worked out. None of us liked the way it worked out."

That's an understatement, after a firing that saw Brown receive an $18.5 million settlement in November 2006 and then be put under a gag order. But hethrew off the gag in February's issue of Philadelphia magazine.

Brown, a Philly executive whose 76ers come to the Garden tomorrow night, was quoted as saying, "Imagine when you get to work, they don't talk to you.They had security people standing close to me in press conferences, and spies throughout the arena."

It's unclear whether Brown will be at the Garden tomorrow.

Thomas had only discussed the matter in one-word answers, and when asked yesterday if he felt spied on, he responded with a one-word, "no" - almostcomically, as a Garden PR official stood just three feet away, transcribing into a BlackBerry, per team policy.

"I didn't hear what he said, and I didn't read it," Thomas said.

After Brown led the Knicks to a 23-59 disaster in 2005-06, he was fired, partly for speaking to reporters without a PR staffer present.

After it was reported that Brown was to be fired, he gave roadside interviews with reporters staking out the practice facility. The club wouldn't permithim to talk to the media during the 40-day span in which team owner Jim Dolan let him twist in the wind.

During that span, Brown got the silent treatment. Even though he was conducting pre-draft workouts, he and Thomas never spoke.

When asked if their relationship can ever be reconciled to the point it once was, Thomas said "Whatever happens, it won't be for you guys."

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Clipper coach Mike Dunleavy, in a wide-ranging rant in which he defended the job he's done against a win-or-else ultimatum from owner Donald Sterling, tooka shot at the Knicks' deplorable condition in the Isiah Thomas reign.

As quoted in the Los Angeles Times, Dunleavy said, "I would only make deals to help our future - anything else is suicide. Anything else and you becomethe New York KnicksNew York Knicks . Now if you want to do that and take on big contracts and long-term deals to potentially hit a home run or get some kind ofturnaround, that's not the direction I would go as a businessman or if I owned the team."
 
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What happened to this organization? It was nearly the best franchise in the history of all sports, and now they are just tarnishing the image of the New YorkKnicks to the extreme.

I feel bad for Knick fans these days. To see a team do all of this garbage and not be able to do about it would make me sick.
 
Not giving a pass to the Knicks, but what's hilarious is that these ego maniac coaches (i.e. L.B.) want us to believe raking in 28 million dollars in onecalendar year doesn't justify the "hell" they had to deal with. Go count your stacks Larry.
 
I don't really keep up with the Knicks situation like that, but didn't Brown kinda bring that situation onto himself? I remember him constantly dissingSteph, Nate, and all of the other Knicks players he was coaching at the time....did he ever say anything about management?
 
^ The players hated him, I know that much...

I don't remember him clashing with management so much, but he was brought in as the fall guy. Isiah knew he would fail, and when he inevitably did, he wasmade the scapegoat.
 
Larry Brown is a BUM

bad move from the beginning, he is too stubborn and only will coach his players. I blame him for destroying Stephon Marbury.

This dude just wants to do anything to bash the Knicks right now, hes still MAD salty

spies you have to *%!$$$% kidding me.

Take a seat LB and just shut the %@@% up and move on
 
Knicks suck PERIOD. the problem is mangment, isiah and the bum players they got. no coach is going to win there with the bums they have on the court.
 
It's bull how scott skiles was fired before isiah thomas. scott skiles was a pretty good coach better than thomas in my opinion but that's how the nbaworks though.
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Originally Posted by THE GR8

Larry Brown is a BUM

bad move from the beginning, he is too stubborn and only will coach his players. I blame him for destroying Stephon Marbury.

This dude just wants to do anything to bash the Knicks right now, hes still MAD salty

spies you have to *%!$$$% kidding me.

Take a seat LB and just shut the %@@% up and move on

i wouldn't go that far and say he's a bum.....the guy did have a good track record turning teams around(the la clippers, indiana pacers,76'ers)and he did win a title..........
unless you work for cablevision(owned by the knicks), you'd have no idea of the grief they put you through..........you hear the word dolan, and everyonegets nervous.........he is a shrewd indivdual(dolan), and if you arent in his inner circle, he will flat out screw you............
as for marbury, he is truly a cancer, and a me-first player.............i wouldnt say larry brown destroyed him............
what does it say when the minnesota timberwolves have a brighter future than the knicks?
 
^^man that Marbury %%+$ is trash

Steph was playing at the top of his game before Brown. He got too much %%+$ as a me first player. He was just a scoring guard, that is what he did, that iswhat he was good at, and thats how he made the $. Saying that he didnt want to win or that he is "me first" is obserred and i have always thoughtthat. This dude came out playing with all the heart in the world, a chip on his sholder, and Coney Island toughness every single time he stepped on the court.He was pass first but he was also a great passer. I rememebr when we first got him dudes were saying that they have never seen a better passer. He would dobehind the back %%+$ through like 5 guys at a time. He was averaging like 22 and 8 on a regular basis.

Larry Brown tried to change who Steph was and because of that Steph had a horrible season and never recovered. He found his groove last year. But all this offseason %%+$ and the fact that Isiah started to blame him for what was really Eddy Curry's fault brought him back to his %$%$@% up stage. Larry Brown wasthe cause though. Marbury always got to much %%+$ throughout his career for being a scoring guard. Man right now i dont see dudes like Gilbert Arenas takeclose to the %%+$ that Marbury dealt with his whole career. Marbury was an excellent shoot first pg who played with heart and desire every night but because hewas Brooklyn's boy and had all these high expectations people wanted to change him always because he left Minnesota (which i know was stupid and i eventhink he would tell you it was him being young and immature) and since them he was on teams where he didnt really fit it. I would tell you i would kill forthat old Steph back on this team right now, cause that boi had heart. When Marbury came to our team he immediately took us from last place to the playoffs.Larry Brown %$%$@% him up. Marbury has never been a bum or even a cancer if you consider an extremely talented player who plays his heart out every nightcancer, than yes maube he was. It was dudes like Larry Brown trying to change the way that he has played his whole life that turned him into a bum.
 
Originally Posted by THE GR8

Larry Brown is a BUM

bad move from the beginning, he is too stubborn and only will coach his players. I blame him for destroying Stephon Marbury.

This dude just wants to do anything to bash the Knicks right now, hes still MAD salty

spies you have to *%!$$$% kidding me.

Take a seat LB and just shut the %@@% up and move on

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agreed that LB ruined Steph's game...dude was always known as a scoring PG and then they just had to tell him to become this pass first gaurd...somebodyneeds to tell steph to go back to what he is great at doing even if the media/everyone else would rip him for being that type of player
 
Originally Posted by baik

agreed that LB ruined Steph's game...dude was always known as a scoring PG and then they just had to tell him to become this pass first gaurd...somebody needs to tell steph to go back to what he is great at doing even if the media/everyone else would rip him for being that type of player

Smartest thing said all day. Mad people !@*!%* with Marbury too much so he ended up like this. Fact is he was a phenominal score 1st pg but he was alsoable to pass as well. Him being Coney Island's golden boy and stuff always got the media on his back. Steph was a great player and always played withheart. He tried to tell Isiah to let him go back to what hes great at doing but either,

A) Marbury's head is too !@*!%* up from Larry/media to do so

B) Isiah is too stubborn and too at odds with Marbury

i dont really blame Steph for anything though. He has been the most scrutinized player in any sport in the world this past decade.
 
I remember him constantly dissing Steph, Nate, and all of the other Knicks players he was coaching at the time....
Yeah, and LB did the same thing with Chauncey and AI and look how they turned out.

Come on man, don't blame LB for them cats (Steph, Nate, etc) having #!%@% tendencies. Dudes needed to man the ***@ up.


"Me and Larry disagreed sometimes but we had a great relationship, and I miss him all the time." Chauncey Billups, 2005




"I'm really hard on young kids because I want them to take the heat from me," Brown said. "Then, when they get in the game, they can handle situations. And Chauncey's always right there, patting them right after I say something. I love it."

Billups' role as good cop to Brown's bad cop says a lot about how much Billups has grown in one year.

"I've been there," Billups said about Brown's wrath. "I know how tough it can be, I know the emotions you go through. So I want to be there now when Larry's being tough on somebody."

Billups and Brown had a rocky relationship last season as Brown rode Billups to no end. And while Brown truly got under Billups' skin in looking for perfection out of his point guard, Billups never faced a breaking point.

"I was well prepared," said Billups, who came to Detroit as a free agent in 2002. "But you can never be prepared enough for LB.

"I talked to a lot of people before the season started and they told me to just be patient. There were some tough times where I said that something has to give. But it was never bigger than the team."

Brown wanted Billups to do something he had never done before - look to get others involved in the offense first before shooting. For Billups, who can score as well as anyone from the point guard spot, it was a huge adjustment.

At one point during the season, Billups wasn't sure what to do and his play suffered.

"Last year, everything was new," said Billups, who wound up averaging a career-high 16.9 points. "It was tough getting going. I struggled for four months trying to figure out how are we going to play, how are we going to win?"

That uncertainty is a thing of the past.



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I can't believe so many of ya'll are really thinking that Brown was to blame for all of that drama.


I love Larry Brown. You people may not believe it or feel me when I say it but I do.

He's helped me do so much in my career, helped me be the player that I am. If there's no Larry Brown, then there's no MVP, Allen Iverson.

Sorry, that's two possible HOF (AI for sure) co-signing LB.

No way I'm giving Steph, Nate, or any of those Knick players the benefit of the doubt here.
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Originally Posted by THE GR8

baik wrote:

agreed that LB ruined Steph's game...dude was always known as a scoring PG and then they just had to tell him to become this pass first gaurd...somebody
needs to tell steph to go back to what he is great at doing even if the media/everyone else would rip him for being that type of player



Smartest thing said all day. Mad people !@*!%* with Marbury too much so he ended up like this. Fact is he was a phenominal score 1st pg but he was also
able to pass as well. Him being Coney Island's golden boy and stuff always got the media on his back. Steph was a great player and always played with
heart. He tried to tell Isiah to let him go back to what hes great at doing but either,



A) Marbury's head is too !@*!%* up from Larry/media to do so



B) Isiah is too stubborn and too at odds with Marbury



i dont really blame Steph for anything though. He has been the most scrutinized player in any sport in the world this past decade.

Come on, he's not even the most scrutinized player in New York. Arod?
 
Its a 3 way tie actually. They all just happen to play at different times, and right now Steph is getting the heat.

1a. Arod
1b. Steph
1c. Eli (at the moment he took us to the superbowl so his skin is saved for 2 more weeks)
 
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