Question for ******* fans

What Now?
Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato met again late last night figuring their next plan of attack.

The attempt to land three coaches in one swoop, packaged together, does not look to feasible right now. Looks like the only way they get Baltimore Rex Ryan is by naming him head coach (he's telling people he's not leaving for a lateral move). The Seahawks want to keep QB Coach Jim Zorn and began conversations to that end last night. I see him as the next OC there when Coach Mike Holmgren walks in a year. The ******** got deep into talks with Zorn, and these weren't coaches they were exploring hypothetically, like just to pair - or foist upon - any 'ol coach they might hire in the next 2 months.

Now, they could turn to other coordinator options who could work well with Fassel, but, again, many teams would block lateral moves (Jim Schwartz in Tennessee remains a name worth watching). They could still decide to give it to Fassel, solo for now, but that option is less appealing without the entire plan in place and the fan sentiment towards this candidate has been pointed. With no other openings, the ******** know Fassel and Williams have nowhere to go right now, and they can be left hanging out there for a while.

So another mystery candidate could emerge, they could decide to hand it to Fassel or Williams - though as time passes it gets harder and harder to see them going that route - or they could wait until after the Super Bowl. The two most prominent names involved in the Big Game as assistants are Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo and Pats OC Josh McDaniels. The ******** are the only team still with a HC vacancy, so it's not like anybody else would be interviewing these guys.

Gregg Williams remains on the back burner, sitting there, but people close to him don't expect him to be offered the job, and, after the way this thing has gone down, they're not sure Williams would even take it if offered. Jacksonville would love to hire him for its Defensive Coordinator opening, league sources said. Or he could depart Washington with a fat payday, take a year to pull a mini-Cowher and watch his kids play sports, and then size up offers in 2009.

Random: The contracts for ******** assistants Earnest Byner and Kirk Olivadotti expire on Jan. 31, league sources said. The rest of the staff has another year remaining on their deals, set to expire Jan. 31, 2009 ... This nasty virus making a second wave through the house. Between that and this coaching search, making for some long nights. Thank goodness ma and pa have been coming down from B-more to help Lauren, because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team.


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Originally Posted by bigtomgetsgwap

It's all speculation but i have no clue...Snyder is loosing his mind!

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I would LOVE to have Rex Ryan as our DC, but that looks less likely by the day. He has an aggressive blitzing system that could be better than what GW did here in DC.
Look Rex Ryan is a good DC and he has good schemes. But his defense is 5 times as talented as the Skins. That is why I really am pleased with thejob that Gregg Williams has done (sans the year before last) When you look at it objectively the Skins are not that talented on defense. Their pass rush is badat best, Linebackers have been either old, young, or just not that good except Pierce who wasnt retained of course. Secondary is nothing to be afraid ofespecially with the ST passing. I really believe Gregg Williams got these guys to overachieve statistically and what more could you ask for from a coach?

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Originally Posted by theone2401

I would LOVE to have Rex Ryan as our DC, but that looks less likely by the day. He has an aggressive blitzing system that could be better than what GW did here in DC.

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Off subject, you said the LB's were not that good except for Pierce....well, London Fletcher is better than Pierce even on his worst day. THat was the best FA signing the Skins have had under the Snyder era....Fletcher is an animal....
I know I had him taken care of under old. Is that bad? not really but it shows they still have no long term answers as far as building from within through the draft like you mentioned. How long is Fletch gonna play? Better yet how long is Fletch gonna play at this level? How long is Springs going to beable to play his usual 10 games a season? The pass rush was worlds better then it has been in recent years but who is going to hang their hat on those guys?

I really liked what you talked about as far as drafting and good FO signings because the instant gratification approach has got the skins to two first roundexits at the hands of the Seahawks.

Now on to the Rex Ryan effect. If you think he will make good players want to play for him as opposed to Gregg Williams who kind of has a rep then that is fineand good. And if it takes a few years in the dumps in order to get his players and these old/less talented players out or adjusted to his scheme then I am allfor it. But I will never knock the job Gregg Williams did with Fred Smoot who couldnt stay on the field for the Vikings. Shawn Springs who is a SHELL of hisformer self. Carlos I cant catch a INT if it hits me in the face mask Rodgers. Aaron Carter the first round bust and the rest of D-line that could neverpenetrate anything and MiniSean and the Linebacking core of young players and or old players.

Now Gregg as a head coach? That is another story but ask your self this WHO hasnt failed in buffalo?

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Originally Posted by theone2401

Off subject, you said the LB's were not that good except for Pierce....well, London Fletcher is better than Pierce even on his worst day. THat was the best FA signing the Skins have had under the Snyder era....Fletcher is an animal....

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Does anyone realize G. Williams gets NOT ONLY his contract....BUT a Buyout option if he ISN"T Hired as Gibbs Successor...


Although that's widely believed, it's actually false. Andyman himself (any ES'ers on here know he is LEGIT) said that Gregg does NOT have such aclause in his contract.

That being said, I think we should definitely go with Gregg. If you had asked me if Gregg should be the HC last year or in 2005, I would have definitely saidno given the way he handled the Archuleta and Lavar situations (even though I'm pretty sure Lavar was being a little @$+#$ about it). But I think over thepast couple of years, Gregg has been more accountable and has matured a lot. I think he is ready to take the position, and you have a ton of the players thatrespect him and want to play for him, isn't that what you want from a coach? The problem I had with Spurrier and Norv was that you could tell the playersweren't playing for their coach. If we know that the players respect Gregg and want to play for him, go ahead and sign him up!

Also if you look at Gregg's record in Buffalo, he had zero talent there as the team was in rebuilding mode. Did he do a bad coaching job there as well?Yea, but it wasn't all his fault.

I also agree that we need to draft better, but honestly that's not gonna change as long as Cerrato is running the show. This guy is the doofus of alldoofuses. I'm convinced they don't even care about anything past the 3rd round. That being said, we have some decent young players, and nobody couldreally have expected we'd have sufficient death with ST being murdered and Carlos Rogers going out for the whole year, as well as Rocky going out for theseason.

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One of the WORST things to ever happen to this franchise was moving the field out of DC and into Maryland....$$$ for Snyder, but lost was all the history and tradition at RFK. That stadium will NEVER be duplicated.


I see my boy DoubleJ's spitting the truth.

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You guys are still worth the most and have the largest stadium.

Well, I guess you're about to lose to the Cowboys on those fronts too. Oh well.


HATE HATE HATE HATE.

I've been telling all you ******** fans for the longest that your when your boy Snyder took over the Skins that you dudes were trading away your winning teams for profitablity. You dudes can say what you want but as long as Snyder is running things you dudes don't have a chance of building a successful team like you did in the past. It's all downhill from here.

One of the WORST things to ever happen to this franchise was moving the field out of DC and into Maryland....$$$ for Snyder, but lost was all the history and tradition at RFK. That stadium will NEVER be duplicated.


I see my boy DoubleJ's spitting the truth.



I will be the first to admit I don't like what Danny has done with the team. You have fans coming to the game and treating it like a social/businessnetworking event. FedEx has no charm at all and I feel like a lot of the real die hard fans that should be at the games can't afford to go.

Now we have the front office structure determined by nepotism, and it looks like possibly even the coaching jobs will shake out depending on who's inVinnny and Danny's good graces.

It's a complete joke.

I think Deuce is probably right; we aren't going to do [Jim Mora Sr.]Diddly poo[/Jim Mora Sr.] until Snyder sells the team. It's probably gonna end upturning into a Peter Angelos type situation, which would really break my heart to be honest; I love this team too much to see that happen. Where I oncewatched/listened to damn near EVERY Orioles game as a kid, I don't think I've watched more than one or two in the last couple years. And the Oriolesare the laughingstock of the MLB, along with the Royals. If that ever happens, you'll probably catch me out in Ashburn at ******** Park picketing for Dannyto sell the team.

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It's probably gonna end up turning into a Peter Angelos type situation, which would really break my heart to be honest; I love this team too much to see that happen. Where I once watched/listened to damn near EVERY Orioles game as a kid, I don't think I've watched more than one or two in the last couple years. And the Orioles are the laughingstock of the MLB, along with the Royals. If that ever happens, you'll probably catch me out in Ashburn at ******** Park picketing for Danny to sell the team.


5am....I don't think it will ever get to that point (Snyder/Angelos)...reason being, no matter how bad things get for the Skins, we will still pump moneyinto the franchise....I mean, you've seen the boards over on ES....it's nothing but B'ing and moaning over there 24/7. However, the one thing thatremains constant is the support for this team no matter how messed up things actually are. We sit back and complain about concession prices ($10 bottles ofH20), shuttle prices, ridiculous contracts, charging $ to watch practices, etc etc....but fact of the matter is, Danny is making $$....look at XXX radio andhis "rumor" to buy 980. This dude is trying to create a monopoly on the broadcasting, merchandising, or any other aspect concerning the Skins. Shoot,I am quite sure he would love a ******** "only" cable network much like what Steinbrenner has with the Yankees (YES).

as xcg said:

Snyder is a business man, thats it.


that's the bottom line. He counting ridiculous amounts of money with his small feet propped up on an ottoman in his Potomac mansion overlooking the river.The Skins were his team growing up, but he has compromised just about EVERYTHING (tradition) that this team has stood for in how he tries to make a buck. Ican't hate, because he is successful in what he does. The Skins aren't the 1st or 2nd most profitable franchise for no reason. It's how Dannyconducts business by being shrewd and cut-throat. He has put building his assets over the betterment of the Skins franchise. Gone are the days of JKC and andhis crazy wife Marlena. Even though I was real young, I remember just how special going to RFK was, seeing a quality product on the field, and not having theuncertainty surrounding the team 24/7. Danny is going to make his money by making big free-agent acquisitions, selling their jerseys, and repeating the cycleyear in and year out.

These are all the highs and lows of being a Skins fan. Our hearts are constantly tugged at, but we still support no matter how disgusted we get.

Bram Weinstein was just on XXX and he was saying that NO ONE knows exactly what direction the skins are going. All the Fassel talk was nothing more than rumorsand fodder. From what he knows, he said that the Skins are going to wait as much as 2 more weeks to make a decision as to who the head coach is going to be.They have been very coy on this whole situation. According to Bram, Joe Gibbs quitting was a major surprise that nobody had any idea was coming. As a matter offact, contract extensions with Gibbs had been discussed as early as two weeks before the playoffs even started! Gibbs quitting totally blindsided Snyder andCo. Gregg Williams could still be hired at this point, and many if not most of the players have offered their support of Williams by constantly endorsing himas a head coach. The Skins actually have a nice position in the whole HC search. All of the HC positions have been filled in the NFL except for theirs. As soonas the Super Bowl is over they can interview candidates from both the Giants and Pats (Josh McDaniels is a name being tossed around). It's going to beinteresting to see what unfolds, but I think there is more going on behind the scenes than people actually know. Fassel just does not seem like a"Snyder-like" hire. After hearing what Bram had to say, I have a gut feeling that Gregg Williams will be our HC going into next season....(fingersx'd)

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I think Deuce is probably right; we aren't going to do [Jim Mora Sr.]Diddly poo[/Jim Mora Sr.] until Snyder sells the team. It's probably gonna end up turning into a Peter Angelos type situation, which would really break my heart to be honest; I love this team too much to see that happen. Where I once watched/listened to damn near EVERY Orioles game as a kid, I don't think I've watched more than one or two in the last couple years. And the Orioles are the laughingstock of the MLB, along with the Royals. If that ever happens, you'll probably catch me out in Ashburn at ******** Park picketing for Danny to sell the team.

No doubt, yet another local native of the urea speaking the truth. I don't see Danny boy selling the team any time in the near future, although that wouldbe best, only because the ******** are still his biggest cash cow I believe. He knows he has "fans" or at least in theory fans that will payanything to come out to Fed Ex and support the Skins cause there are so many die-hard fans. Although as somebody stated earlier some of the real fanscan't even afford to go to the games any more to support, sad times.

Also, I'm telling you dudes this now, don't be surprised within 10-15 years maybe there is sufficient talk about the Skins moving back to DC, with RFKbeing torn town and rebuild for a new stadium

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