Mike Alstott to retire vol. One of the greatest fullbacks ever (good arguments everyone!)

Originally Posted by Bo55Diesel

hugebird wrote:
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@ the thought of him being a fullback.

Most fallacious thread title ever.
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Wiki Alstott
When you are a running back and there is another running back lined up behind you (Warrick Dunn, Michael Pittman), you are designated a fullback.

For further information, please consult the NFL official home page where he is clearly identified as a fullback:
NFL home page



I'm glad you are using Wikipedia instead of actual events.

Truth is, he was hardly ever used as solely a blocking back, and most of his carries came when he was the single back in the formation. Being big andbruising doth not make thy a fullback.
 
Of course Alstott has better stats than Rathman. Rathman was the last option on his team when you play with many options like JR JT B.Jones and R. Craig.Imagine if was the 1st or 2nd option on a team. Alstott has good numbers b/c he was the 2nd option on that team, I dont remember his teams having that great ofoffensive weapons, especially when it comes to WR and QB, so they did have to run the ball most of the time.
 
Thanks for all the replies!

I enjoy the healthy exchange of thoughts and ideas; it's one of the cornerstones of an educated and free society.

I still haven't seen any statistical evidence that illustrates that there was a better fullback in the league. As we all know, quantifiable claims carry the most weight in educated discourse. I am off to class for a bit; I lookforward to reading intelligent, fact-based responses upon my return. I would be very interested to see numbers that back up a claim that any other fullbackplayed the position better.
 
Originally Posted by hugebird

Originally Posted by Bo55Diesel

hugebird wrote:
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@ the thought of him being a fullback.

Most fallacious thread title ever.
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Wiki Alstott
When you are a running back and there is another running back lined up behind you (Warrick Dunn, Michael Pittman), you are designated a fullback.

For further information, please consult the NFL official home page where he is clearly identified as a fullback:
NFL home page

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I'm glad you are using Wikipedia instead of actual events.

Truth is, he was hardly ever used as solely a blocking back, and most of his carries came when he was the single back in the formation. Being big and bruising doth not make thy a fullback.


I referenced NFL.com, as well. I believe their nomenclature of positions is superior to yours.

Indeed, he did also work out of a single-back set in some packages, but he was, and always has been, referred to as a fullback and was listed as such inBuccaneers rosters.
 
hugebird wrote:
How sir, would you go about ranking the best offensive lineman in football?

I think in order to do that you would have to have sub-categories for Center, Guard, Right Tackle, and Left Tackle because they require different skillsets. I would not differentiate between left and right guard because it is far easier to flop sides at that position than at tackle. I will have to give somethought to this for a while as there are, and have been, some impressive offensive lineman in the NFL.

For clarity, are you asking for the best active player or the best of all time?
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Regardless of his blocking ability, I always enjoyed watching his one yard goal line runs.

Not to mention he was a beast in Madden.
 
ok now he's trying to be condescending, and he has no idea what he's talking about.

since u wanna play the "well he's listed as a fullback" game.
Jim Brown is the greatest fb and football player to ever play the game.

Now while u remain hush over your foolishness.

there's much more,
Marion Mottley is next best ...

and as the guy above me said, Moose Johnson is a better FB as well.

and Lorenzo Neal too,
and I find it amusing that "your greatest fb of all time" actually needed one of the real greatest fbs of all time, lorenzo neal, to set up his bestseason as a pro.

quite funny, dont u think ?


bruh, U make think u know football by reading a wiki page, to put it succinctly, u dont. (big words included)
but thanks for giving me something to do for 2 minutes.
 
GUNNA GET IT wrote:
ok now he's trying to be condescending, and he has no idea what he's talking about.




since u wanna play the "well he's listed as a fullback" game.


Jim Brown is the greatest fb and football player to ever play the game.




Now while u remain hush over your foolishness.




there's much more,


Marion Mottley is next best ...




and as the guy above me said, Moose Johnson is a better FB as well.




and Lorenzo Neal too,


and I find it amusing that "your greatest fb of all time" actually needed one of the real greatest fbs of all time, lorenzo neal, to set up his best
season as a pro.




quite funny, dont u think ?






bruh, U make think u know football by reading a wiki page, to put it succinctly, u dont. (big words included)


but thanks for giving me something to do for 2 minutes.

I'll give you Jim Brown; there is no doubt he was the greatest running back ever.
Motley was a game-changing guy in that he was extremely powerful and amazingly fast for his size.

Admitting my omission of Brown, I still stand by my claim that Alstott is one of the most versatile and greatest players to play the position. The fullbackposition, for decades, was primarily a position that existed to provide an extra blocker for the tailback and was not often (Brown, Motley, Csonka notwithstanding) a major contributor in terms of yards gained and touchdowns scored.

Thanks for helping me see past my initial potentially exclusionary statement; I'm not ashamed to admit I may have overstated my case a bit. Perhaps I ambiased having watched him play at Purdue and then succeed at a very high level in the NFL.

As to my language, I am not trying to be condescending or make people feel as if I am talking down to them. A person can only talk down to you if you allow it.As it happens, I have a large vocabulary and I use it. The English language is quite large and is one of the subjects in which I hold a degree; I can hardly befaulted for being a proficient user of my native tongue.

I'll even throw you a bone: I'll alter the title of my thread to reflect my consideration of your points.
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Rathmann, Moose, Brown... I think all the bases have been covered in here already.
 
I understand that Moose was part of a dynasty, but he only made 2 Pro Bowls, was never an All-Pro, and had less than 3000 total yards from scrimmage. Sure,Emmitt ran for a ton of yards behind him, but if you're going to use that argument we should include Matt Suhey in the discussion. He (Suhey) had over 2000more yards from scrimmage, with 2946 yards rushing to Johnston's 753.
 
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at good arguments in the thread title
I can tell you don't come in here often, S&T is the best part of NT
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if you're gonna look at FB rushing stats, also look at the rushing stats for the RBs they blocked for. that would provide a more comprehensive view as faras stats go.
 
DOWNTOWN43 wrote:
if you're gonna look at FB rushing stats, also look at the rushing stats for the RBs they blocked for. that would provide a more comprehensive view as far
as stats go.

Excellent point!

For that reason, I offered Matt Suhey in a post above. Blocking for Sweetness and amassing the numbers he compiled must mean something in terms of inclusion inthe all-time-greats discussion.
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SoHi 23 wrote:
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at good arguments in the thread title


I can tell you don't come in here often, S&T is the best part of NT
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I am very impressed by the contributions made by many in this thread! It is for that reason that I amended my initial title that was rendered incorrect bysome astute sports fans here on NT.
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When you look at a FB, you look for an extra run-blocker and a bruiser type runner(someone who could get those 3rd and 2s, 4th and 1s)
IMO, I would go with Lorenzo Neal.
He is the best run-blocking FB of all time.

But that's what I want in my FB, so to me, he would be the best
 
SoHi 23 wrote:
When you look at a FB, you look for an extra run-blocker and a bruiser type runner(someone who could get those 3rd and 2s, 4th and 1s)


IMO, I would go with Lorenzo Neal.


He is the best run-blocking FB of all time.




But that's what I want in my FB, so to me, he would be the best

I'm sure that's why he is the highest paid FB in the league. He is a devastating blocker and will go to the Hall quickly after retirement.
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