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I dont think Shaq is going to finish out the season. He might just sit out by the end of February and allow the Heat to get a top 5 pick.
The Miami Heat havent won since last year
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Age, injuries, no PG, no Posey will do that to you.
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Dwayne Wade isn't that kind of player and I don't think he's in a class with his draft class players like LeBron, Carmelo, Chris Bosh and I think even T.J. Ford at his best is a little better. I think he's a second tier player, the second option to a superstar like the Scottie to Mike, Parker to Duncan, Jefferson to Kidd or anyone to Nash.
are you serious? sounds like you are just hating, because you sound like a complete fool
how is he not even in the class of Lebron, Carmelo, Bosh, and TJ FORD?? he has a Finals MVP, he averaged 18 PPG as arookie, 28 and 6 in the playoffs, and has numerous other achievements that no one else in that class has touched, with the exception of Lebron for some. Wadeis easily the second best player of that class, and the most accomplished thus far.
andat saying he is a second tier player. just foolishness. a second option player does not score 18 consecutive points in the 4th quarter. that'scalled a team leader putting the team on his back.
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I liked D.Wade alot until the 2006 Finals.
They deserve everything get now.
They deserve everything get now.
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Based on what, exactly?
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I didn't like Wade even before the 2006 Finals so this losing streak is
To think this dude won a ring an an NBA finals mvp is just disgusting
@ the refs
To think this dude won a ring an an NBA finals mvp is just disgusting
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Without getting into what has become a mindless Wade is vastly overwaded argument, I'll just say this.
It hurts to see this team in this condition right now. Your franchise player for the next decade still isn't 100% from his injuries, your franchise playerright now is a sad shadow of his former self, your third-best player has a basketball IQ of -7 and the Tin Man's heart, and outside of Udonis Haslem andDaequan Cook, there really isn't another player that you can look at and say they'll have a positive role for the franchise in the future (I think thegig is up for D-Wright).
When Wade and Shaq's contract run out in two years, Riley and Pfund need to get Wade maxed-out and completely build around him with guys he wants there andthat will make them a competitive contender. Otherwise, to be frank I don't see a reason for him to stay.
As for this year's draft, I think you've gotta draft Beasley, and if not Rose. While DeAndre Jordan looks like he'll be a beast in the pivoteventually, he's still further behind at this point than the other two.
It hurts to see this team in this condition right now. Your franchise player for the next decade still isn't 100% from his injuries, your franchise playerright now is a sad shadow of his former self, your third-best player has a basketball IQ of -7 and the Tin Man's heart, and outside of Udonis Haslem andDaequan Cook, there really isn't another player that you can look at and say they'll have a positive role for the franchise in the future (I think thegig is up for D-Wright).
When Wade and Shaq's contract run out in two years, Riley and Pfund need to get Wade maxed-out and completely build around him with guys he wants there andthat will make them a competitive contender. Otherwise, to be frank I don't see a reason for him to stay.
As for this year's draft, I think you've gotta draft Beasley, and if not Rose. While DeAndre Jordan looks like he'll be a beast in the pivoteventually, he's still further behind at this point than the other two.
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Originally Posted by DOWNTOWN43
at some of the people in here
how is he not even in the class of Lebron, Carmelo, Bosh, and TJ FORD?? he has a Finals MVP, he averaged 18 PPG as a rookie, 28 and 6 in the playoffs, and has numerous other achievements that no one else in that class has touched, with the exception of Lebron for some. Wade is easily the second best player of that class, and the most accomplished thus far.
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I don't see how it's foolish, and it certainly isn't hate. If it makes you feel any better, by second tier player I just mean I wouldn'twant him as a player that takes the last shot for my team. I think he's in a class with players like Rip Hamilton, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, etc. I justdon't see him as a franchise player. I think I could name 10-15 players that I would take over him.
As for that Finals MVP, that Finals series was ahuge upset if you ask me. And everyone knows that Dirk Nowitski had a huge choke job in that series. Given, Wade and his crew outplayed them but you know thatwas not Dallas at their best. And just like with Kobe, the Heat & Wade had some big time help with Shaq. That doesn't discount that, but I look at itas an unimpressive Finals. And what stands out more is that the next season with Shaq a little less healthy, Wade couldn't carry that team out of the 1stround and lost to an up and coming (not solidified) Bulls team.
Again, it's not that Wade isn't a good player, I just think people give him more credit than he deserves. You mentioned that he has achievements thatno one has touched, well no one in that class inherited a team like D. Wade has. LeBron single-handedly took his team to the Finals beating the Detroit Pistonsagain, by himself. Carmelo took his team to the playoffs in year one (and was robbed of the ROY). Bosh also came into a horrible situation as is now one of thepremier forwards in the game
And to ask to name better guards than D. Wade I would say Gilbert Arenas. Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, A.I., Brandon Roy, T. Mac (when healthy), and Chris Paulare all better than Wade.
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yall gotta stop posting the pic of whistle in a wheelchair
its funny as hell and he went overboard with the chair but that mustve hurt alot
i still cant stop laughin though
its funny as hell and he went overboard with the chair but that mustve hurt alot
i still cant stop laughin though
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appreciated. that's what happens when you sell your soul for a ring.
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I understand that D Wade is injured but, I too think he's not the superstar that he was for 1 1/2 seasons. He's still very very very good, just not onthe level of Kobe or even T-Mac... more like a level just above Vince Carter.
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Son up there said T.J. Ford is better. T.J. Ford. The goofs on this board, I swear...
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what? the Heat were a 25-win team when Wade got there. he didn't inherit ***#
if you were thinking of Shaq, too bad he didn't play with Shaq until his second year. too bad his rookie year he led a previously 25-win ballclub to the second round of the playoffs. too bad he was just the 4th rookie in NBA history to lead his team in scoring and assists in the playoffs. and too bad that was all without a marquee player like Shaq.
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what? the Heat were a 25-win team when Wade got there. he didn't inherit ***#
if you were thinking of Shaq, too bad he didn't play with Shaq until his second year. too bad his rookie year he led a previously 25-win ballclub to the second round of the playoffs. too bad he was just the 4th rookie in NBA history to lead his team in scoring and assists in the playoffs. and too bad that was all without a marquee player like Shaq.
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Pretty sure Wade has had his fair share of game winners.
I'm sure he did. That was just an opinion though, I would rather pick a handful of other players to take the last shot than him. Again, justan opinion.
Dallas not being at thier best probably had something to do with how the Heat including Wade played.
The Heat were far from a defensive powerhouse enough to the stop the offense the Dallas Mavericks have shown the past year. I chalk it up to theMavericks not being focused and just coming to a bad stretch at the wrong time. The Heat did their part though and did enough to win, kudos to them.
Shaq obviously helps, no team is going to win a title as a one man show. It was an unimpressive finals in what sense, I mean they did win coming back from an 0-2 hole to win 4 straight, right?
You're right, but you and everyone else knows that the Dallas Mavericks did not show up during that series. Also, you and I both know wellthat the referees played a huge part in that series and swung the momentum the Heat's way.
That "up and coming" Bulls team had the 3rd best record in the Eastern Conference last year.
That same Chicago Bulls team is 17-25 currently. Good for 4th in their own division.
What team did Wade inherit ?
A team with Shaquille O'Neal, that's what he was inherited. Put a Paul Pierce, Rip Hamilton in place of Dwayne Wade and I don't thinkthey would have skipped a beat.
Game 1
79-76 Loss, James scores 10
Game 2
79-76 Loss, James scores 19
Game 3
88-82 Win, James scores 32, rest of team scores 56
Games 4
91-87 Win, James scores 25, Gibson 21, rest of team 45
Game 5
109-107 Win, James scores 48, rest of team 61
Game 6
98-82 Win, James scores 20, Gibson 31, rest of team 47
Game 3, LeBron went for 32, so Game 4 they probably doubled him some more.. (I don't remember the game vividly) ... and he kicked it out tothe second option. Same formula for Game 5 & 6. So his presence in itself helped tremendously.
Where they lost in the 1st round, meanwhile Wade took his team to the 2nd round in year one.
No, that was NOT Wade's team. That was Lamar Odom and Eddie Jone's team. Unlike Wade, Carmelo didn't have great players around himlike that. Andre Miller & Voshon Lenard were the next best scorers on his team.
02-03 Records
Toronto 24-58
Miami 25-57
And just as Dwayne Wade "took his team" to the playoffs in 2005-06, Chris Bosh took his team (which was MUCH worse than the Heat onpaper) to the playoffs a year later, as a better seed.
You liking certain players more then Wade, and that player actually being better then Wade are 2 totally different things. All the players you named are great players, don't get me wrong, but none of them are better or more valuable then Wade. Not to mention you are comparing 5 shooting guards, 1 point guard and 1 small forward, why not throw in Garnett and Yao, perhaps Tom Brady as well?
I believe someone previously wrote that they dared people to name 2 guards better than Wade except Kobe. So I checked the NBA All Star Game votingballot and looked through the guards. Those were some of the names that were there. So let's do the research before we use sarcasm. And I'm pretty sure Garnett is a better SG than Wade is.
I never said Wade wasn't a good player, I'm only saying he's overrated. You look at the list of NBA Finals MVP and Dwayne Wade sticks out like asore thumb, he does not belong there. He's no where NEAR the tier of those players on that list. But that's fine, he played great in the Finals, but heshould share that award with the refs.
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And by the way, all those slurping Wade and said he's the greatest thing since sliced toast, if he's such a "superstar," you're tellingme in the past 15 games, not once could he take over the game and get the W for his team by "putting them on his back" as he always does? In fact, heplayed the Knicks, without arguably the best statistical player in Marbury in the lineup. And I know my Knicks are pathetic, so that makes the Heat something alittle more than pathetic.
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Since when were Odom and Eddie "playoffs?" Jones great players?
As far as Finals MVP's, Wade stands out more than Tony Parker? Wait, Tony Parker is better than Wade too, huh?
And the Knicks are a far more talented team than the Heat. Just before that game, didn't they beat Detroit, Washington and New Jersey? You're shortchanging your own team to discredit one player. Outside of possibly Haslem, is there one player on the Heat you would take in a trade with anybody on theKnicks, based only on what they can give you now? You really don't have to answer.
People would be better off just admitting they don't like the dude because the arguments against him are terrible. The nerve...
As far as Finals MVP's, Wade stands out more than Tony Parker? Wait, Tony Parker is better than Wade too, huh?
And the Knicks are a far more talented team than the Heat. Just before that game, didn't they beat Detroit, Washington and New Jersey? You're shortchanging your own team to discredit one player. Outside of possibly Haslem, is there one player on the Heat you would take in a trade with anybody on theKnicks, based only on what they can give you now? You really don't have to answer.
People would be better off just admitting they don't like the dude because the arguments against him are terrible. The nerve...
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I think Wade is over rated. I think he's very good definitely one of the better shooting guards in the NBA. But I do think he's over rated becausehe's had early success in winning a single championship with only 2 years in the NBA. I think he received some favorable calls when he jumps backward intodefenders going straight up. He travels often and palms the ball often as well. But there's definitley no crime in being so fast that officials don'tcatch those types of violations or fouls.
Simply put, if he is such a superstar and dominant player, why are the Heat losing so many games? In their recent game against the Spurs he had the ball in acritical situation, drove to the basket towards several defenders, could not create a shot, tried to throw a wrap around pass and turned the ball over. Afterlosing the ball, he looked angrily at **** Bavetta (a seasoned and objective official) as if Bavetta was supposed to call a foul, return the ball to the Heator give Miami the win. As the players walked off the court, Wade was still glaring at the offiicials as if they owed him something.
This is not hate, he clearly did not have a play or shot, forced the action and turned the ball over, he was not fouled yet he felt entitled to a call becausehe is Dwayne Wade. This is not the sign of a superstar. A star maybe but not a superstar. Superstars don't allow their teams to paly so poorly and lose somany games, regardless of their challenges. It's understandable with the aging and injuries, but to not be able to break a losing streak of double digitsagainst mediocre teams in basketaball is unheard off when you have someone who is supposed to be a superstar. I don't think it's neccessary to compareWade to anyone else because if indeed he is that great and not just very good, he would have at least had more impact in the way the Heat's ability to winat least 50% of their games.
I've always thought the media was too quick to give Wade so much credit for only 2 seasons of NBA play. Granted he deserves the credit for playing well,but give him more time to demonstrate a consistent winning reputation. What's important to note is we should wait to see him injury free for a few yearsbefore we say he really is a superstar. Star maybe superstar not yet. Let's put it this way to play 1-2 years well is one thing, to play every year of yourcareer well is different. Two years including a championship doesn't make someone a hall of famer. Years of production and winning does. Wade has yearsbefore he's a bonafide superstar. Don't believe all the media and NBA sells you. Just my opnion.
Simply put, if he is such a superstar and dominant player, why are the Heat losing so many games? In their recent game against the Spurs he had the ball in acritical situation, drove to the basket towards several defenders, could not create a shot, tried to throw a wrap around pass and turned the ball over. Afterlosing the ball, he looked angrily at **** Bavetta (a seasoned and objective official) as if Bavetta was supposed to call a foul, return the ball to the Heator give Miami the win. As the players walked off the court, Wade was still glaring at the offiicials as if they owed him something.
This is not hate, he clearly did not have a play or shot, forced the action and turned the ball over, he was not fouled yet he felt entitled to a call becausehe is Dwayne Wade. This is not the sign of a superstar. A star maybe but not a superstar. Superstars don't allow their teams to paly so poorly and lose somany games, regardless of their challenges. It's understandable with the aging and injuries, but to not be able to break a losing streak of double digitsagainst mediocre teams in basketaball is unheard off when you have someone who is supposed to be a superstar. I don't think it's neccessary to compareWade to anyone else because if indeed he is that great and not just very good, he would have at least had more impact in the way the Heat's ability to winat least 50% of their games.
I've always thought the media was too quick to give Wade so much credit for only 2 seasons of NBA play. Granted he deserves the credit for playing well,but give him more time to demonstrate a consistent winning reputation. What's important to note is we should wait to see him injury free for a few yearsbefore we say he really is a superstar. Star maybe superstar not yet. Let's put it this way to play 1-2 years well is one thing, to play every year of yourcareer well is different. Two years including a championship doesn't make someone a hall of famer. Years of production and winning does. Wade has yearsbefore he's a bonafide superstar. Don't believe all the media and NBA sells you. Just my opnion.
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What I was pointing out is a player of superior skill who is not fouled would not expect the official to bail him out. If you attempted to make a play, didnot execute it, turned over the ball and was never fouled in the process why would you be upset at the official for not blowing the whistle? That's aplayer who felt entitled to a call despite not being fouled. He didn't think, "damn I should have pulled up and shot a jumper, or passed earlier, orthrown myself into the defender to try and draw contact, etc." Superstars are hard on themselves when they don't win or play well, because they havehigh expectations of themselves. They don't expect someone to give them a call or bail them out.
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I gotta say some of the hate for Dwade is getting out of hand but the truth: DWade is definitely overrated. He's a good shooting guard with great athleticabilities but he's definitely not and no where near top 5 SG category in the NBA.