The Miami Heat havent won since last year

I could use your same argument against you and just flip the names......

"Unlike Wade Carmelo, Carmelo Wade didn't have great players around him like that. Andre Miller Shaq & Voshon Lenard Ricky Davis were the next best scorers on his team."
When I mentioned Lenard & Miller, I was talking about the playoffs. Basketball is very different when you're playing the same team in a5-7 game series. When you're playing nearly 10 different teams in a 15 game stretch, you could win one if you're that much over a 'superstar'.

So that = single handedly winning a series??
Absolutely. If your presence is that strong, that's probably playing the largest role of all. Just like when Shaq was getting double andtriple teamed, it opened up shots for everyone else on the team. You have to give that credit to Shaq (and the other players for actually making the shot)

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Since when were Odom and Eddie "playoffs?" Jones great players?
I don't want to go off in another direction but you saw how good Odom was playing when he was the focus of the team, you can't discreditthat. He's one of the very versatile guys in the league. And Jones was on the decline but still managed 17, 3 & 3. That's not bad for where he wasat in his career (and he was avg. 18 the year before). And that was on a team with Odom, Wade, and Butler.

And the Knicks are a far more talented team than the Heat. Just before that game, didn't they beat Detroit, Washington and New Jersey? You're short changing your own team to discredit one player. Outside of possibly Haslem, is there one player on the Heat you would take in a trade with anybody on the Knicks, based only on what they can give you now? You really don't have to answer.
I don't care about talent because being "far more talented" has gotten us 6 more wins than the Heat and we're still last in ourdivision. I've heard Michael Kay of ESPN and other analysts say it as well, "You're as good as your record says you are." That's exactlyit, the Knicks are a 14-28 team, and that's what they play like, just as the Heat are a 8-33 team.

I know you said I don't have to answer but no, I don't want any players on the Heat, because I'm a fan with blind faith. I think my CURRENT Knicksteam can go far if they developed chemistry. Although.. bring Smush to the Garden

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What I was pointing out is a player of superior skill who is not fouled would not expect the official to bail him out. If you attempted to make a play, did not execute it, turned over the ball and was never fouled in the process why would you be upset at the official for not blowing the whistle? That's a player who felt entitled to a call despite not being fouled. He didn't think, "damn I should have pulled up and shot a jumper, or passed earlier, or thrown myself into the defender to try and draw contact, etc." Superstars are hard on themselves when they don't win or play well, because they have high expectations of themselves. They don't expect someone to give them a call or bail them out.

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Manu Ginobili, and maybe even Rip Hamilton.

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i bet you can't name 2 better SG's in the NBA, besides Kobe.
Iverson, Pierce a healthy McGrady. Are we counting Arenas as a point or a 2? Wade is top 5 but not 1 or 2 IMO...

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Originally Posted by Chelu

Dskilz your point is taken. But it I was not assuming. The game was broadcasted Wade showed his anger right after the turnover and the whole duration of the teams leaving the floor for not receiving the call. Wade glared at the official after the turnover and continued to show is dissatisfaction of not receiving a call. That's not my assumption, that's his clear display of emotion and expecting the call to be made in his favor.

I think Wade is a very good player - always have, but I just think it's really more of marketing and hype when they start labelling guys superstars when they have consistently played and won over years. LeBron was hyped since high school and I feel the same way about him. Wade may likely have more great years, but that's not reality yet; that's specualtion. I don't take credit away from him for being a great basketball player, but I'm not so quick to give him superstar status just because he's had two great years and a couple of inury plagued ones in addition.

So in the end, I don't hate Wade, I think he's a top tier player but I just think he's overrated. No crime to think he is a superstar and no crime to think he's overrated. I just happen to be from the latter group. I'm not knocking anyone's opinion, just giving mine.

That being said congratulations to the Heat on starting a new win streak (little bit of scarcasm). BTW, I'm also a little peeved at Shaq b/c he's gone back to his usual ways of not getting in shape and increasing his chance getting injured. The Heat are getting a little taste of what he did as a Laker and it proves that Buss made the right decision to let him go and not give him more money and an extension. While the Heat did get a promised championship they defintiely paid for it with his salary. But hey one trophy is more than most other players will ever have.

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Originally Posted by K8be wan Kenobi

Originally Posted by nitzski

i bet you can't name 2 better SG's in the NBA, besides Kobe.

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Iverson, Pierce a healthy McGrady. Are we counting Arenas as a point or a 2? Wade is top 5 but not 1 or 2 IMO...

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Tmac and AI are not really SGs, but they do line up there occasionally. and even if i count them as SGs, they still aren't better than Wade. once again, you're reaching.
tmac and ai in their prime > wade

that's just me though. but this debate as to who is better will never end...

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Originally Posted by K8be wan Kenobi

Tmac and AI are not really SGs, but they do line up there occasionally. and even if i count them as SGs, they still aren't better than Wade. once again, you're reaching.

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Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

I'd take 2001 Vince over Wade in terms of physical talent......






but as of today....

Wade > any current SG not named Kobe or Allen right now (Iverson is a SG in a PG's body, pretty much a combo guard) ...........


VC = not even remotely close to being the same player once was.. still a good player.... but no longer a top 5 player mainly because of injuries and the Lawrence Frank's offense
Pierce = He's a SF...... he was a SG years back but is a SF now
Ray = still an All Star level player, but again not the player he was in Milwaukee and Seattle....
Tracy = still a good player, but not the same player he was a few years back mainly because of injuries
Gilbert = not sure if he is a PG or a SG (I haven't really watched Wizards games this season before his injury or even last season..)



It seems everyone on NT hates Wade

.... yes he gets a lot of calls, he also has gotten some bad calls in his favor, but he is still a great player and one of the best SG's in the league.... Dude is having injury problems this early in his career because he was basically throwing himself into the paint taking a lot of contact on hard fouls and hitting the floor hard....... I'm not even a huge Wade fan and I can still see that he is a great player.....

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