Oschino breaks his silence and speaks on Jay-Z and Beanie Sigel

Originally Posted by GUILLERMO GUTIEREZ

.killa cam and 50 cent and for da most part RZA are da best leaders of groups of all time...cuz at da end of da day, ALLLLLLLLLLLL of da soldiers are eatin.

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Originally Posted by all19mjs

Originally Posted by jmoneybaggz

All the dudes in Jay's direct circle, Tyty, Beehigh, Bleek, Emory, etc. aren't complaining. It's only these sideline dudes and affiliates whining. O sounding stupid too trying to juxtapose helping kids in Africa with helping the people around Ja

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You cats get on here and rap and try to assume so much. You fail to realize there is something always going on you don't know about. I'ma keep it a hunit because I've been around this %+%# so much you would think I was an insider, but it ain't even like that.

Dame Dash is one of the best business men the music business has seen and he gets little to no props for that. Dame is a big reason for a lot of these dudes success, Jay-Z included. Dame was the one who thought it be better if Jay didn't try to go the regular artist route and take points on the record. He was the one along with Biggs who thought it would be best to go the Imprint route. Not to take anything away from Hov, but alot of his business resume is full of networking power moves. That's just real talk. He puts himself around people who actually go in there and negotiate. I.E. Lyor Cohen, Steve Stoute, L.A. Reid, etc... He makes ill power moves, but he never had the mindset to teach those under him how to really become bosses and self-sufficient.

When Dame made Cam'Ron Vice President of Rocafella, Hov was trying to recover from Ether by taking swimming lessons in the Mediterranean.

Then he comes back and vetoes the move by saying "I would have wanted that for Memphis, or Beanie Sigel". Then why didn't you make them Vice President for all those years they were running with you? I mean let's be serious and put this into perspective. Dame took Cam out of a situation with Un Entertainment and snatched him up from the streets. Cam finally went platinum on Roc-A-Fella and then in turned put Jimmy, Santana, and his Diplomat squad on how to get this industry money. That was a product of Dame's teaching him how to be his own boss. Now Jimmy is about to go make a move at Sony. Hell Rell released his own album without Cam and Jimmy holding his hands. JR Writer released his own joint and is making his money. Do you see the correlation here?

Sigel even said himself that Dame taught him how to manage his money beside the music thing. Dame taught him that going to Atlantic City to buy Bentleys wasn't the best choice when it came to him building wealth. Dame was the one who thougt it would be a great idea to do the State Property label as an offset to Rocawear. They caked heavy off that just off the strength of having Philly as a home base. Philly cats ate up the State Prop label %+%#. Jay-Z was the one who recorded a full song and shot a video to put on Bean's album. It seemed like a great idea at the time and the album did go gold, but at the same time he took away from Beans building his own brand. The Truth could have sold without "Anything" on the album. The HKL tour had just popped off and all them Def Jam cats were going at least platinum. He did the same for Memphis Bleek with the Dear Summer joint. He pacifies dudes.

Jay-Z never believed in Kanye. It was Dame who pushed for the singing of the bol. Kanye is just a Jay-Z groupie to this day so he went with Jay over to Def Jam..

I mean he made a song called "My Big Brother" and your own brother had no faith in you. Kanye spent his own money to shoot Diamonds and Gold Digger. You think Jay showed him those type of mover moves? Honestly, you think that? I could care less what Kanye does as far his loyalties go, but look at how Dame shows people how to make moves and how Jay shows people how to make moves.

The problem with people like Schino, Peedi, etc is there not really hustlers. They never really bought into the being your own boss type mentality. I've stood on the same streets with these cats. They sold they %+%#, but as far as being the go-to guy or the Godfather-type on the hustle...they've never been in that position. A lot of Philly cats are like that though. Philly dudes get this mentality that you have to be a certain age to be a old head. That %+%# is a mental state, not a number. Being under cats like Jay is the worse thing for these dudes. He's taking their songs and using it to get rich, but he's not showing them how to put their own %+%# together. I'm glad he's rockin with Dame though. I just hope Dame teaches him how to get it in when it comes to making power moves. Schino does make a lot of bad decisions, but that's just because he's still in the streets in Philly. You can't really escape the BS unless you move out.

And we all know Africa trip and the Bono-Vanity Fair Cover etc is a power move.

That's why it was broadcast on MTV. But then again he is worth half a billy...so what the hell do I know? Let me leave that boy Hov alone...

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Why is Dame having such a hard time getting right if he is so called that good of a business man. And im pretty sure dame isnt paying o rent anymore

you dont see u-god and masta killa leavin anytime soon
Them dudes aint got a choice.

Where else they gonna go?

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Originally Posted by avitale8

@ acting like Dame was dying to sign Kanye and really believed in him...wasn't he the one that said "hey, if its wack, we can just throw Cam on every song and make it hot"...c'mon nobody believed in Kanye as a rapper back then.
I mean his pre-CD verses were pretty wack

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Originally Posted by All Ready

Originally Posted by avitale8

@ acting like Dame was dying to sign Kanye and really believed in him...wasn't he the one that said "hey, if its wack, we can just throw Cam on every song and make it hot"...c'mon nobody believed in Kanye as a rapper back then.
I mean his pre-CD verses were pretty wack

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But he did INFACT, sign him
That's all that matters

He said, IF he was wack, IF being the key word, Dame would have Cam (smh) save the album

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Originally Posted by FreshProduct

Originally Posted by All Ready

Originally Posted by avitale8

@ acting like Dame was dying to sign Kanye and really believed in him...wasn't he the one that said "hey, if its wack, we can just throw Cam on every song and make it hot"...c'mon nobody believed in Kanye as a rapper back then.
I mean his pre-CD verses were pretty wack

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But he did INFACT, sign him
That's all that matters

He said, IF he was wack, IF being the key word, Dame would have Cam (smh) save the album

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why the smh? EVERYONE was rockin with Cam around that time.

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and aint cappadonna a cab driver?
Correct. You just gotta man up and do what's right for you. You in the rap game this long and nobody is feeling you and you got another dudepaying your rent, maybe rap aint for you. Don't go around blaming your problems on another dude. I mean he's got a little bit of a valid point, buthe's sounding like a real %%!** in that video.

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Magic1978 said:

We already discussed this last week. Why did you bump a eight year old topic

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