Bedard to Mariners, Done Deal?

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26 > 3 shut your mouth garbage
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yank fans can keep living in the 20th century if you want, the present and near future is Boston's. If you don't think so, you're delusional.
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You're just as bad as that guy because we know you became a Boston teams fan in October so stop it
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MLBTR is saying Roberts to Cubs for Pie+ may follow the Bedard deal.

RF Markakis
CF Pie
LF Jones

*droool*
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is that so? i can remember the exact moment i became a red soxfan, it was long before last october buddy.
 
Arizona - Webb/Haren
ChiSox - Vazquez/Buerhle
Cleveland- Sabathia/Carmona
Detroit- Verlander/Willis
Angels - Lackey/Escobar
San Diego - Peavy/Young
SF - Lincecum/Cain
Vazquez/Buerhle doesn't belong in this conversation, IMO... Willis was terrible last year, so the Tigers are out. Chris Young has, bar-none,the worst stuff of any pitcher on this list. Having seen him for 2-3 years in Texas, I fully expect him to come back to earth. Those three pairs come out offtop.

The other four are debatable. If Bedard can stay healthy, he's the best pitcher in this group, IMO. And Felix has ace written all over him. The upside withthose two >>>>>> anything we're looking at around baseball. Unless, of course, Liriano comes back and flashes what he was doing pre-TommyJohn and the Twins knock Santana over with an offer to keep him in Minnesota.
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I might take heat for this but I think Carmona is the best combo of potential and current stuff of that group
 
Chris Young has, bar-none, the worst stuff of any pitcher on this list
I don't know about that...I agree with most of your other comments though...but Young really just learned how to pitch in the last two years,and is getting better. A .192 BAA speaks for itself...and don't get me wrong, I despise the Padres, but this guy gets better every year.

I would take Bedard/Felix over the top two's for the ChiSox, Detroit (should be Verlander and Bonderman though), and the Angels. Bedard really is slepton...his stuff is electric, and he'll benefit from his new defense...And we know what Felix can do when he's dialed in.

Is that Charlton Jimerson from The U I see on the roster?
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^ good point but I would argue that it's skewed by two shakey starts at the beginning of the season, and a couple of outings when he was dealing with thathamstring injury towards the end (especially against the Giants
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). For a guy that utilizes his stride so heavily, any lower body injury is going to throwhim off. The guy gave up 11 runs in 15 starts from May through July. If he's healthy, he is very good.
 
Vazquez-Buerhle are eliminated off the bat, Willis just had a 5.17 ERA in the NL East, and Lincecum-Cain will be great without a doubt but in a few years.
The other 4 are definetly up there but Felix is due to have a breakout 200 K season and Bedard owned everybody in the toughest divison in baseball.


I don't know but Vazquez has become a decent pitcher since he got out of Arizona.

Ya'll are eliminating a lot of pitchers, yet Bedard and Hernandez have yet to "tap" their potential. Someone even mentioned they wouldn'ttake Lackey because he isn't a "Big Game" pitcher. Sorry, but Seattle and Baltimore haven't been in any big games in a long time so whywould that criteria be used.

Furthermore, people keep saying Felix is about to have a breakout 200K season, which is possible, but he doesn't have the lights out numbers that he hadbefore his injury....

Sure, Hernandez has a higher ceiling than Vazquez, that is obvious and there is no point in arguing that, but, IMO, Vazquez was a bit more effective basedpurely on 2007.

Vazquez for all the slack he got just had a 200 K season:

2007 30 CHW AL 15 8 32 32 2 0 0 0 216.7 197 95 90 29 50 213 7 5 882 2 0 3.74 4.74 127 1.140

King Felix:
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 2005 19 SEA AL   4   4  12  12   0   0   0  0   84.3   61   26   25   5   23   77   2   3   328   0   0  2.67  4.19  157 0.996 2006 20 SEA AL  12  14  31  31   2   1   0  0  191.0  195  105   96  23   60  176   6  11   816   2   0  4.52  4.43   98 1.335 2007 21 SEA AL  14   7  30  30   1   1   0  0  190.3  209   88   83  20   53  165   3   7   808   4   1  3.92  4.33  110 1.377
Felix Hernandez has a lot of potential, he is going to be a great one, but ya'll are sleeping on Vazquez/Buhrle combo.

I would have picked any combo from the Tigers, but I believe Willis will step up in his new digs.

Like I said, I am just talking about right now, because if we are talking "upside", then:

Penny/Billingsley/Kershaw
Lincecum/Cain

FTW, easy.

Bedard is slept on by the general public just for the simple fact that he played in the stinkhole called Baltimore, however, in baseball circles, Bedard isnot slept on.
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Remember the last time the Mariners traded their future for a pitcher....they sent Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek to Boston. I hope this backfires just like thattrade and the Mariners continue to suck.
 
Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

Vazquez-Buerhle are eliminated off the bat, Willis just had a 5.17 ERA in the NL East, and Lincecum-Cain will be great without a doubt but in a few years.
The other 4 are definetly up there but Felix is due to have a breakout 200 K season and Bedard owned everybody in the toughest divison in baseball.
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I don't know but Vazquez has become a decent pitcher since he got out of Arizona.

Ya'll are eliminating a lot of pitchers, yet Bedard and Hernandez have yet to "tap" their potential. Someone even mentioned they wouldn't take Lackey because he isn't a "Big Game" pitcher. Sorry, but Seattle and Baltimore haven't been in any big games in a long time so why would that criteria be used.

Furthermore, people keep saying Felix is about to have a breakout 200K season, which is possible, but he doesn't have the lights out numbers that he had before his injury....

Sure, Hernandez has a higher ceiling than Vazquez, that is obvious and there is no point in arguing that, but, IMO, Vazquez was a bit more effective based purely on 2007.

Vazquez for all the slack he got just had a 200 K season:

2007 30 CHW AL 15 8 32 32 2 0 0 0 216.7 197 95 90 29 50 213 7 5 882 2 0 3.74 4.74 127 1.140

King Felix:
Code: 
 2005 19 SEA AL   4   4  12  12   0   0   0  0   84.3   61   26   25   5   23   77   2   3   328   0   0  2.67  4.19  157 0.996 2006 20 SEA AL  12  14  31  31   2   1   0  0  191.0  195  105   96  23   60  176   6  11   816   2   0  4.52  4.43   98 1.335 2007 21 SEA AL  14   7  30  30   1   1   0  0  190.3  209   88   83  20   53  165   3   7   808   4   1  3.92  4.33  110 1.377
Felix Hernandez has a lot of potential, he is going to be a great one, but ya'll are sleeping on Vazquez/Buhrle combo.

I would have picked any combo from the Tigers, but I believe Willis will step up in his new digs.

Like I said, I am just talking about right now, because if we are talking "upside", then:

Penny/Billingsley/Kershaw
Lincecum/Cain

FTW, easy.

Bedard is slept on by the general public just for the simple fact that he played in the stinkhole called Baltimore, however, in baseball circles, Bedard is not slept on.











Numbers-wise Vazquez definitely had a better year than King Felix in 2007. You can say Vazquez has been a decent pitcher since he left Arizona. He is26-20 with a 4.27 ERA and a 1.22 WHIP. Not bad numbers in the AL. Over the same time period, King Felix is 26-21 with a 4.23 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP.
Nearly identical numbers if you ask me.
Vazquez is a career 115-113 pitcher and neither Buehrle nor Vazquez have had great back-to-back seasons.
IMO if we use the last 2 seasons as comparisons as to whether a Buehrle/ Vazquez combo is better than this new Bedard/ King Felix combo, I would think not.
Even though Bedard and Felix have never been teammates before, I think that when healthythey are a much better combo than Vazquez/ Buehrle.

Another combo I would take before Vazquez/ Buehrle would be the Doc/A.J. Burnett combo. I would think that is a combo that has been more slept on thanVazquez/ Buehrle the last 2 years, especially since they play in Canada.

Not sure who said Lackey isn't a big game pitcher, but if you ask me, becoming only the 2nd rookie to start and win Game 7 of the World Series isimpressive. That immediately should remove the notion that he isn't a big game pitcher.
 
MLBTR is saying Roberts to Cubs for Pie+ may follow the Bedard deal.

RF Markakis
CF Pie
LF Jones

*droool*




Lord, please....no...PLEASE let this happen. Living near/following the Orioles forr the last 15 or so years has me on the edge of not loving baseball anymore.
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MLBTR is saying Roberts to Cubs for Pie+ may follow the Bedard deal.

RF Markakis
CF Pie
LF Jones

*droool*


Quietly, Andy McPhail has done a very good job since he took over. Got rid of a clubhouse cancer in Tejada (thank goodness), and he is (dare I say it) *gasp*REBUILDING! This is EXACTLY what the O's needed. This team had to take a couple steps backwards in order to go forwards. Going younger, by getting rid ofolder, non-effective veterans is the way that we should have gone a long time ago. This team needs to be build around Nick Markakis plain and simple. He isgoing to be one of the best OF's in MLB in a short time. Adding another young talent in Adam Jones would give us a nice tandem for the next 5-10 years. Notto mention, the O's have Matt Weiters, who many say had the best bat out of all players drafted in 07'. It's going to be a LONG time beforeBaltimore is relevant and making a dent in the AL East standings. At least with McPhail's vision of what the team should look like, we are somewhat headedin the right direction....
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Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Remember the last time the Mariners traded their future for a pitcher....they sent Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek to Boston. I hope this backfires just like that trade and the Mariners continue to suck.
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Well, recently we traded Rafael Soriano for that bum Ho-Ram. But yes, Slocum was bad.

The thing that sucks about all of this is that the trades for Dan Haren and Cabrera/Willis screwed us up. Baltimore saw how much they got in return sowe're going to have to give up a lot as well. I don't mind trading Jones so much b/c I think he'll be somewhere between Mike Cameron and ToriiHunter. Not that they're awful, but they're not franchise players. If we end up giving up something like Morrow, Sherrill, Jones and anotherprospect, I think we'll be screwed. I really don't want to trade Sherrill or Morrow. Can't we give up Jones, Clement and someone else besidesMorrow and Sherrill. I won't mind trading Clement since we have Rob Johnson waiting in Tacoma. We have a zillion SS's in our farm system. Don'tGarciaparra or Tuiasosopo have the potential label anymore? If we drafted Lincecum like we should have, who knows how serious we would be having these talksright now.

How about we trade Roger Salkeld, Mickey Brantley, Ken Cloude and Rich Amaral for Bedard. Do it you POS Bavasi!
 
Arizona - Webb/Haren
ChiSox - Vazquez/Buerhle
Cleveland- Sabathia/Carmona
Detroit- Verlander/Willis
Angels - Lackey/Escobar
San Diego - Peavy/Young
SF - Lincecum/Cain

You could even include Halladay/Burnett when healthy but that's hardly ever happened.

And from what I read on ESPN, Angelos hasn't signed off on the deal yet.
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I +$+%%#+ hate Bill Bavasi.
Adam Jones is one of the centerpieces of the Mariners' future and we're trading him? Erik Bedard is good, but its Adam Jones. Bavasi is trading awaythe future (word to Lowe and Varitek) to contend and lose to the Angels, or even better, make the playoffs just to lose to DET BOS or NY.
Yes, i'm mad.
 

O's denying reports of Bedard deal

MacPhail says no trade in place to send ace to Mariners

BALTIMORE -- The Erik Bedard-to-Seattle rumors continue to have a life of their own, and the Orioles continue to deny any semblance of accuracy in the various reports.
Andy MacPhail, Baltimore's president of operations, reiterated on Monday afternoon that there is no trade in place and that he's not sure where the rumors originated. That denial, issued in the face of repeated requests for comment, lends new perspective to a story that has steadily built over the last 36 hours.

"As I said last night, we don't have an agreement with Seattle or any other team," he said. "I'm not expecting anything in the next few days and I'd be surprised if anything developed in the next few days."

The reports first surfaced on Sunday night, when Seattle's Adam Jones apparently told a reporter for Venezeuela's Diario Panorama that he'd been dealt to Baltimore as the main prize of a Bedard deal. The Seattle Times was the first to obtain those quotes and published them in a blog item.

"I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there," Jones reportedly said. "I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners' side. It's an honor to get traded for such a highly talented pitcher."

MacPhail issued a denial to the Baltimore Sun on Sunday night, but new aspects materialized Monday. The most pervasive account was penned by ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, who claimed that Baltimore owner Peter Angelos has been informed about the trade but has yet to make a decision one way or the other.

ESPN.com also reported that two of the three players involved in the trade (Jones and Seattle reliever George Sherrill) have told teammates that they have to take physical examinations. That part of the rumor was debunked later on by a report in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Sherrill told the PI that neither he or Adam Jones were scheduled to head to Baltimore for a physical.

More news cropped up late on Monday, when the Baltimore Sun reported that the negotiations have reached a standstill. Citing an unnamed source, the Sun reported that Jones was supposed to be in town for a Tuesday physical but that those plans have been scuttled.

The Sun also spoke to Seattle general manager Bill Bavasi, who refuted the rumors just as MacPhail had earlier.

"The stuff that has been reported is very, very premature," Bavasi reportedly told the Sun. "We've been searching for pitching on multiple fronts."

MacPhail dealt with the same issue weeks ago in regards to a potential trade of second baseman Brian Roberts to the Cubs. The executive stood his ground that time and punched holes in that rumor, and he seemed poised to repeat the process on Monday. As of now, Bedard is still Baltimore property and doesn't appear to be headed anywhere.

"I'm not terribly surprised," said MacPhail of the clamor surrounding his staff ace. "We've had this on other players before and there certainly has been talk about Bedard. It's not surprising that there has been speculation."



Bedard, the subject of feverish negotiations all winter, has been seriously pursued by the Reds, Mariners, Mets and Dodgers. If he gets dealt, he'd join Miguel Tejada as the second big piece traded by the Orioles this winter. Even though the Orioles are denying the reports, there are several facts that could point to a trade being imminent.

Last week, Bavasi told reporters that he'd made his best offer and expected a deal to get done. The rest of the proposed package seems murky, but Baltimore is known to have interest in Jones, Sherrill and right-handed pitching prospect Chris Tillman, Seattle's Minor League Pitcher of the Year.

Any trade would require physical examinations for all the players involved and may not necessarily be finalized until after the results are known. Bedard missed September with an oblique injury but has thrown at least 180 innings and won 13 games in each of the last two seasons. Last year, he went 13-5 with a 3.16 ERA and led the team in strikeouts.

Jones, who hit .314 with 25 home runs and 84 RBIs for Triple-A Tacoma, was named Seattle's Minor League Player of the Year. That was the second time he's earned that designation in his brief career. Jones, a former first-round Draft pick, made his big league debut before his 21st birthday and has hit .230 in 139 Major League at-bats.

Baltimore would be left without an ace if it deals Bedard, but the Orioles have several younger arms -- such as Hayden Penn, Garrett Olson and Troy Patton -- capable of earning a back-end slot. The three starters with guaranteed jobs (Jeremy Guthrie, Adam Loewen and Daniel Cabrera) have a combined 55-60 career record.
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I don't buy that above article at all... Then why did Adam Jones tell reporters and teammates in Venezuela that he had been traded to Baltimore? Why has itbeen reported that George Sherrill told teammates he's headed to Baltimore for a physical?
 
a couple of rumors....

1) People are saying that Angelos nixed the deal (which wouldn't be surprising)

2) Jones has a bad hip (could be the reason that there is a snag in the potentail trade)

Interesting - Stan the Fan is on Viviano's show right now saying that there is internal concern in the Orioles camp regarding Adam Jones and the fact that they believe he has a degenerative hip condition.

According to Stan, this is the leverage the Orioles are trying to use in order to pry more away from Seattle in this trade. There is a perception that Jones is in fact damaged goods
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Sounds like all it needs is the approval of the Oreiols owner.


The Orioles management is a styraight up joke. All they do is over-value their players, and never trade their players b/c of it (they will be cellar dwellersforever at this pace).

Orioles management was the reason the Mets didn't land Oswalt for Milledge in that 3-way trade two seasons ago....Houston and NYM waited on Baltimore andas usual, pulled out of the deal.
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