NICE SUMMARY OF THE KOBE AND LEBRON MATCHUP (ATRICLE EXCERPT)

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All NBA stars want to win, but with James and Bryant, it surely seems personal. It was in this one, as they each tried to one-up each other as the game camedown to the wire. Bryant had a great performance, scoring 33 points with 12 rebounds, and he nearly led his team to a nice victory. But James was just better,and that's becoming a refrain in their head-to-head matchups.

In the fourth quarter -- the time that has made both men superstars -- James had 14 points, including two huge baskets in the final minute, the biggie beinga jumper over Bryant's fingers with 20 seconds left.

With James guarding him in the fourth, Bryant managed just 1-of-6 shooting. He was 1-of-7 overall in the quarter.

On the final play, James defended Bryant and forced him to pass instead of taking the last shot. Last month in Cleveland, James forced Bryant backward andoff balance as he missed what would've been a game-winner.

So in a season when both men are serious competitors for a first Most Valuable Player Award, James has taken both meetings by being better in winningtime.

Last year, James raised eyebrows when he was quoted in ESPN The Magazine as saying he didn't have the samekiller instinct as Bryant. Since then, though, he's been killing Bryant on the court and killing him with kindness off it.

"He's the most talented player in the game," James said in August.

"He's the No. 1 scorer in our league," James said in November.

"Kobe is dominant, he plays on the highest level all the time," he said in December.

"Kobe's still No. 1 to me," James said this weekend when asked whether he thought he could take overthe mantle as the NBA's best.

"He's still the best player in the world," James said Sunday.

It's certainly a respectful tone. But it's a subject James is forcing toward a debate. He might not say it,but there's no doubt that's his goal, to surpass Bryant and get what his rival already has, a championship ring.
 
Nice..... IMO Kobe is more offensively skilled, but LeBron is a better all around player.. they each have their strengths and weaknesses in their game...that's all I'll leave it as..... Who's better? It's pretty close.......... you can't go wrong with either one...
 
Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

Nice..... IMO Kobe is more offensively skilled, but LeBron is a better all around player.. they each have their strengths and weaknesses in their game... that's all I'll leave it as..... Who's better? It's pretty close.......... you can't go wrong with either one...

Somebody is advising Lebron correctly. He is showing deference and respect to Kobe, while going at himhard on the court. It creates a situation where Lebron never feels as if he has done enough or that he's as good as he's going to be. Very, very smart.It beats him saying stuff like "I think I'm the best in the league, bar none" and getting people to hate and despise him. As of now if youdespise Lebron it's more than likely that it's because he's almost singlehandedly destroying your team, but not because he's a hothead goingaround spewing nonsense and acting too cocky.


I'm just as impressed with his savvy (except for him wearing the yankees cap to the Indians game), as much as hisactual ball playing ability. Remember he was supposed to flop when he dropped Aaron Goodwin as his agent and hired Maverick and his boys...guess he was smarterthan we thought.
 
Originally Posted by KAPSI1911

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

Nice..... IMO Kobe is more offensively skilled, but LeBron is a better all around player.. they each have their strengths and weaknesses in their game... that's all I'll leave it as..... Who's better? It's pretty close.......... you can't go wrong with either one...

Somebody is advising Lebron correctly. He is showing deference and respect to Kobe, while going at him hard on the court. It creates a situation where Lebron never feels as if he has done enough or that he's as good as he's going to be. Very, very smart. It beats him saying stuff like "I think I'm the best in the league, bar none" and getting people to hate and despise him. As of now if you despise Lebron it's more than likely that it's because he's almost singlehandedly destroying your team, but not because he's a hothead going around spewing nonsense and acting too cocky.


I'm just as impressed with his savvy (except for him wearing the yankees cap to the Indians game), as much as his actual ball playing ability. Remember he was supposed to flop when he dropped Aaron Goodwin as his agent and hired Maverick and his boys...guess he was smarter than we thought.
ya he knows what he is doing...Dude has lived up to expectations so far...... although he might have been the most hyped up athlete ever...... itmakes it that much more impressive...
 
To me it seems Lebron is consistent with his game throughout the course of a game, but with Kobe, he constantly switches his game up depending on what isthrown at him. He will also do whatever is asked of him, but to an extreme, but he'll do it well.

If he's asked to be a playmaker, he'll do just that. If hes told to score, he'll drop 20 in the quarter. If Phil tells him to become a defensivestopper, he'll assault the guy. The way Phil uses him, each quarter, or half, we'll see a different Kobe. Its ok because Kobe can do all those things,and will do anything that Phil asks him to do. But you would like Kobe to put them all together at once, its just that the way the Lakers are built and operatethat he doesn't work that way.

As to who's better, Kobe gets the veteran nod, but Lebron is right there with him based on talent alone. But it's still Kobe's league, and everyoneelse in the league knows it as well. The fans and writers will debate, but Lebron knows that he still has to do more in order to surpass Kobe.
 
to me kobe is a 9.7/10, and lebron a 9.5/10

both do a lot of things very well, but both have their shortcomings
 
Originally Posted by wohcttank

to me kobe is a 9.7/10, and lebron a 9.5/10

both do a lot of things very well, but both have their shortcomings

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coming from a Cavs fan. I applaud that. Probably couldn't havesaid it any better.
 
How about this concept...I think if Lebron just aims at being better than Kobe then he is limiting himself.He should just concentrate on being the absolute best that he can be, which I feel could be better than almost anybody in the history of the game.

I will say this much though, Lebron James wasn't as fortunate as Kobe Bryant was at this stage of their careers. Calm down I'll explain...When #24 cameinto the league he (or his agent) forced his way into a BEAUTIFUL situation with the Lakers. He wasn't forced to produce right away and was allowed tolearn the game. He played behind Eddie Jones who was an excellent defender AND scorer in his own right. If you don't think EJ and a young KB going at it inpractice, plus the fact that Kobe had to earn a starting spot from an All-Star made him into a better more complete player then you have no clue. Plus when itwas #24's time to shine he had the luxury of playing with arguably the most dominant player in NBA history (him or Wilt...you argue that one). It'seasy to see why the man is wearing 3 rings, actually it should have been a few more.

Let's take Lebron for comparison...from day one he has had the pressure to perform at the highest level as a starter for a team with little to no hope. Ifhe didn't produce right away he would have been labeled an overrated bust. He had no All-Star player at his position to learn from, much less one of themost dominant big men ever (not unless you consider Big Z as that). Somehow someway Lebron answered the early challenges, proved his worth, lived up to theenormous hype, and had a certain level of success in the playoffs. He did this as a young man with an entire city on his shoulders without complaining orcracking or sulking. Did they get swept...of course they did...NOBODY was seeing the SPurs last year, but at the same time he laid the smackdown on Detroitlike no INDIVIDUAL has done in a long time. If you look at the body of work the last 2 1/2 years that he has put together he has arguably done more with lessthan any other superstar in the entire NBA bar none.

Forget rating him with the rest, this young man is in a class by himself...and IF he can continue this upward ascension and win a championship or two he mightbe one of the best ever...he is already a hall of famer.


 
Both of these guys are great players without a doubt. IMO i think Kobe is still slightly better than Bron. They both have things that they are better at, Kobeis a better shooter but nobody can finish like Lebron can. I still think Kobe is better on the defensive end though. These two will have many more battles.


Hopefully Kobe gets moved to Chicago so we can see it four times a year. (Yea i know im reaching but hey we need some help)
 
Originally Posted by wohcttank

to me kobe is a 9.7/10, and lebron a 9.5/10

both do a lot of things very well, but both have their shortcomings

I am officially amazed. A Cavs fan with a sense of humility and the ability to see King James' flaws the day after a big game. Much respect. And yeah,thats about right, until Bron does a few more things he will still be an inch behind Kobe, but with his age and body on his side, its only a matter of timetill the torch is passed.

And until that day he is a doing a great job of showing humility and paying homage to who he sees as the best player in the world still, but still going at himwith full force on the court, very well done.
 
Originally Posted by wohcttank

to me kobe is a 9.7/10, and lebron a 9.5/10

both do a lot of things very well, but both have their shortcomings

at least we have someone here who is a true fan and not a homer or a hugger...............




But I can't say the same about some Kobe fantics
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KAPSI1911 - good posts

But I can't say the same about some Kobe fantics
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You ain't lying. I was just talking about this with one of my guys over the weekend. Laker, particularly Kobe fanatics (gotta give normalfans more credit), are some of the most sensitive fans I've ever encountered.

Must suck to have to realize that the separation between Kobe at the 1 spot and the next best player in line ain't as wide as they've made themselvesto believe.
 
When Lebron plays consistent D and gets that free throw percentage up to around 78%... then I will be ready to say he is the best player in the game.... He isclearly a better teammate in the same vein of Magic... but the ability to impose his will on a game? We have seen Bron do it once.. really... in the playoffgame against the Pistons... We have seen Kobe do it aplenty in the reg season... in the playoffs... in the finals.....

If #%$#$@+ Ferry ever gets Bron a point guard.... it is on a pop'n
Must suck to have to realize that the separation between Kobe at the 1 spot and the next best player in line ain't as wide as they've made themselves to believe.


truth.. lol
 
Originally Posted by chitown4eva

KAPSI1911 - good posts

But I can't say the same about some Kobe fantics
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You ain't lying. I was just talking about this with one of my guys over the weekend. Laker, particularly Kobe fanatics (gotta give normal fans more credit), are some of the most sensitive fans I've ever encountered.

Must suck to have to realize that the separation between Kobe at the 1 spot and the next best player in line ain't as wide as they've made themselves to believe.
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it's one thing to hate on Kobe, it's another thing toturn the attention to his fans. Get a life
 
Lately Kobe is starting to get exposed as not being as good as advertised. Not sure how to accredit it, but his game has slid the last few weeks. Maybehe's putting pressure on himself, I dunno. But Bron was very impressive yesterday, the only question I had about him until the 4th was he had exactly zerojumpers in the entire game, and then he 3 of them in the 4th quarter. Once he develops a full time jumper, it's a wrap.
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when lebron wants to, he can get to the hoop and NOBODY can stop him. the best you can do is foul him. its scary to think what this guy can be in a few years.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Lately Kobe is starting to get exposed as not being as good as advertised. Not sure how to accredit it, but his game has slid the last few weeks. Maybe he's putting pressure on himself, I dunno. But Bron was very impressive yesterday, the only question I had about him until the 4th was he had exactly zero jumpers in the entire game, and then he 3 of them in the 4th quarter. Once he develops a full time jumper, it's a wrap.
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EXPOSED, so avg. 33 pts (on 49% shooting), 8 reb, 6 assists sinceBynum's been injured is not as good as advertised.
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It could bethat he's not getting any help from anyone else on the Lakers who should be stepping their game up after Bynum's injury. But, it's nice to seeLeBron acknowledging the best. If he gets that jumper down, he's going to be unstoppable on the offensive end. He plays defense OK in stretches, but needsto improve on that as well.
 
oh please, lebron is being humble there.
he knows deep down he's the best.

did you expect him to say "i'm the best player in the nba, nobody can stop me."
u think that's a good pr move there? remember when marbury claimed to be the
best pg in the league? exactly.


lol @ laker fans looking for reasons to say kobe still the best when lebron has been for a couple years.
 
he is already a hall of famer.

are you serious?

so in that case put Wade in the HOF already too? because in the same amount of time he has similar numbers and way more career achievements?

if lebron somehow left today, he would NOT be a HOFer. he would be considered a sad story and wasted potential, but nobody intelligent would be trying to puthim in the HOF in the company of guys who were winners and champions throughout their careers.

Lately Kobe is starting to get exposed as not being as good as advertised. Not sure how to accredit it, but his game has slid the last few weeks

first of all, Kobe has been balling lately. obviously the team as a whole will struggle when Kwame Brown is anchoring the middle. second of all, Kobe cannot be"exposed" for not being good. i think when you score 81 points in a game, it answers questions about how legit your game is. if you think hehasn't been playing well (thats what YOU think) then it can pretty much be attributed to him just being in a slump, like all players go through. youcan't say he's not as good as advertised, because he has proven that he is.
 
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I long for the time when people stop talking about that damn 81 game. That was 3 years ago people, move on from that ONE game.

This is why everyone hates Laker fans.
 
that said, LBJ has played better than Kobe THIS season, but no way can we say he's the better player. maybe in a couple of years, when he improves the Dand gets a jumper.

but
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at LBJ only being 22... Tmac, AI, VC, Nash, Kidd, Dirk and those guys are all pasttheir prime and he still has 10-15 years left. Lebron will be owning the NBA uncontested for years, it's gonna be nasty if someone else doesn't step upand compete.

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I long for the time when people stop talking about that damn 81 game. That was 3 years ago people, move on from that ONE game.

This is why everyone hates Laker fans.
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ME? im a lakers fan?
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can ANY real Lakers fan on here say that they have EVER seen me supporting the Lakers? has ANYONE ever seen me post in the Lakers threads? lmao
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i'm not a Lakers fan, i'm an NBA fan and i talk sense. the 81 point game was 2 years ago, but the streak of 50-point games was just last season, howare you gonna explain that one away?
 
Kobe is the better player right now and has been since LeBron has been in the league, but I guarantee that you will not be able to say that with a straightface next year. Once LeBron gets rid of his terrible shot selection its over. He gets to the rim at will, while Kobe is more of a jumpshooter. Thats how youhave to compare them, which is better at doing what they do best. Can LeBron get to the rim better then Kobe can shoot the ball?

at least thats how i look at it
 
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