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[stuntman mike]

i think what some people are saying is that flat barbell bench is overrated in terms of building chest mass.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Right about what?

There are better ways to activate the chest and shoulders.

Listen bro even crossfit hippies like you should know that anyone can benefit from the bench press.

Don't think he is trying to say that it should not be included in a workout regimen, just that it's overrated, which it is.

If bench press is the foundation of your workout pyramid, like most commercial gym goers, you're programming is already flawed.

"hippies"... ...

 

[gothmog]

personal trainers will do nothing to you. if you dont like lifting , pressing yourself to your limits , get ready for hard work , eat well you ll achieve nothing . plus 90% of personal trainers know nothing , they just learn a routine of exercises and repeat em with everyone . 

like someone else stated above PTs steal money from naive people 

 

[dabottom305]

I remember a pretty PT who tried to sucker me into hiring her. Told her what my goals were and she said it would not happen in the time frame I wanted. 3 months later she had nothing to say. lol

 

[bigboss]

There are better ways to activate the chest and shoulders.
Don't think he is trying to say that it should not be included in a workout regimen, just that it's overrated, which it is.

If bench press is the foundation of your workout pyramid, like most commercial gym goers, you're programming is already flawed.

"hippies"...

...

Its only overrated because every bro at your commercial gym does it every day he's in there a long with some curls and push downs.

Please dont try to talk about programming when you go to a place that has "workouts of the day". Try telling that to powerlifters, you think they run flawed programs that get them to bench 4,5,6 hundred pounds?

Anyone who has ever gotten strong or attained a somewhat respectable physique does bench press.

 

[ooiron manoo]

You're still missing the point,

All good though, everyone has a workout of the day though, you just label yours by body part. It's ok, I used to do it too.

 

[stuntman mike]

Please dont try to talk about programming when you go to a place that has "workouts of the day".

oh snap. you went there

 

[dabottom305]

 

[suberzat1]

Chest day is my favorite day

 

[ooiron manoo]

oh snap. you went there

That was a shot?

This thread has some good lulz, different goals for different folks.

 

[dabottom305]

Push days are my favorite.

 

[ayzee]

Don't think he is trying to say that it should not be included in a workout regimen, just that it's overrated, which it is.

I honestly don't understand what you're saying. How is a pushing movement "overrated?"

It is what it is.

 

[gatorbeltsnpattiemelts]

thanks for the insight---


man ya'll stay arguing over something

 

[mrobert875]

Tell this 14 year old powerlifter benching is unnecessary. Just swang around 20 lb dumbbells. Same results.

poor kid, will not grow to be more than five feet tall. Look at the fingers, introducing the hormones that early in life, is not a good thing. He will be lucky if he grows to be Lee prist

 

[mrobert875]

*as tall as Lee priest. He will wish he stuck to 20lbs in about 24-36months

 

[bigboss]

You're still missing the point,

All good though, everyone has a workout of the day though, you just label yours by body part. It's ok, I used to do it too.

Lol ok bro

We are still friends I hope

 

[Betonblck]

*as tall as Lee priest. He will wish he stuck to 20lbs in about 24-36months

I seriously thought someone photoshopped that kids head onto an adult's body when I saw the hands and wrist.

 

[durden7]

The weakest dudes usually have excuses for why not to do a lift, so funny.



All the trolls coming out in 2014

Dude came in and ethered the bench press, jimmies were defeinitely rustled...


He's right though, ... somewhat.

Overrated in relation to...?

I think he should find a workout buddy and a running buddy. Personal trainer may push him to hard for the money to go to waste.

Thats a very good point.

What do you mean push him too hard for the money to go to waste? That his workout would be too intense?

Unless you have absolutely no idea what you're doing, I wouldn't waste money on a personal trainer. Just from the observations I've made at my gym 90% of PTs don't know what they're doing and are just stealing money from naive people. Smh.

Thats like seeing a terrible basketball and making the assumption that all basketball players are terrible at the sport. You can judge a group of people based off of a few personal experiences.

Right about what?

There are better ways to activate the chest and shoulders.

Listen bro even crossfit hippies like you should know that anyone can benefit from the bench press.

Don't think he is trying to say that it should not be included in a workout regimen, just that it's overrated, which it is.

If bench press is the foundation of your workout pyramid, like most commercial gym goers, you're programming is already flawed.

"hippies"... ...

Whats "good" programming then? What kind of program isnt flawed?

personal trainers will do nothing to you. if you dont like lifting , pressing yourself to your limits , get ready for hard work , eat well you ll achieve nothing . plus 90% of personal trainers know nothing , they just learn a routine of exercises and repeat em with everyone . 

like someone else stated above PTs steal money from naive people 

Judgement

 

[ooiron manoo]

Lol ok bro

We are still friends I hope

Bench press is a great excercise, great way to measure upper body brute strength. Definitely a fundamental excercise, by overrated, BIGBOSS hit the nail on the head. Every novice to bro thinks it's "THE" excercise, which IMO, it isn't. Again, that's my opinion.

To me back squat is the "THE" excercise, the legs are the foundation of your entire body, unfortunately it is ignored by the masses.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Crossfit will forever get knocked by the BB community, because it goes against everything the BB community has been feeding to those interested in getting fit. It goes against the grain in many ways and it has definitely rustled some jimmies. It does get beginners excited and when people are excited about something they tend to talk about it (*sometimes overly brag about it), which annoys the **** out of a lot of people. Frankly, outside of this board, I rarely talk about Crossfit, and the only time I give my two cents here is to kill misconceptions regarding Crossfit, because there are many of those as well.

I think the 5x5 program is awesome, and still incorporate it into some of my programming. I also like PPL, simply because if you work out six days a week, you get to hit your legs twice.

I have never paid to work out at a Crossfit box...

Like most people post college, I stopped working out consistently at age 26-27. I would go to the gym maybe once or twice, if I was lucky maybe around three times a week. I would do body part routines (Chest/Tris; Back/Bis; Legs, etc). Around 2009-2010 I hit a couple of boxes to do their free trials, loved it, it was challenging and it quenched a competitive need (corny but true). However, couldn't afford the monthly cost so didn't stay with it. Very inconsistent workouts remained. Mid 2012, I got back to the gym again, consistently. Started with 5x5, gained strength and muscle, around the holidays stopped working out {). January 2013, weighed in at an unhealthy 260, most didn't believe it, guess I carried it well {... ).

I hate cardio, and gathering the guys for games of basketball was a practice in futility and a major source of frustration. I hate running (*shrugs).

A couple of friends and I invested in oly bars, bumper plates, pull up bars, rings and started doing CF workouts. Started with doing HQ workouts (HQ = direct from the CF website). Cardio improved, weight started dropping, gains were had. Strength wise, numbers improved on Squats, DL's, Box Squats and Front Squats. Killing PR's (PR's = Personal Records aka Max). At the same time I was working on lifts that I knew about but neve thought of doing: Ring Dips, Hang Snatch, Snatch, Power Snatch, Overhead Squat, Handstand Push Ups, etc. I was doing lifts I hadn't done since I played football in HS: Shoulder Press, Hang Clean, Power Cleans. Programming from HQ became easy, good for beginners or those wanting to excercise but not great for those that want to improve their results/PR's or maybe even compete. MetCons and complexes are the norm now along workouts inspired by those that compete professionally.

Going to a box and doing a "WOD" will not get you here:

Programming has to evolve with the goals you want to reach.

I do my own programming, with input from my "lift partners". Love coming up with WOD's and Strength routines.

Overrated in relation to...?

What the general public believes to be the ultimate lift.

Whats "good" programming then? What kind of program isnt flawed?

The one that works for you and the goals. If you want the biggest chest in the world, then by all means, bench press away.

 

[finnns2003]

Showed up to Gold's last night, watched all the resolutioners filling their 2 week quota

 

[jjs07]

I seriously thought someone photoshopped that kids head onto an adult's body when I saw the hands and wrist.

Still looks like a PS to me...but a very good one. I could be wrong, but homie looks like he has a grown man's hands/arm. **** looks completely off...


*FWIW*

The reason I don't agree w/ xfit is that (to me) it seems like form is completely disregarded to attain reps. I'm on the outside looking in, but that's my .02

 

[ooiron manoo]

The reason I don't agree w/ xfit is that (to me) it seems like form is completely disregarded to attain reps. I'm on the outside looking in, but that's my .02

One of the biggest misconceptions...

 

[hyper cutter]

I poke fun at wods too but that's a clever come back.

 

[RickBlast]

Chest is what I am focusing on most. I have had no problems growing my shoulders, back, arms and legs but for some reason i feel like my chest was not growing at the same rate. So i am focusing on it. just finished my last set of 5x5 bench at 260 today and my last set of incline at 210. my goal is to get to 275 for my last rep of bench and 225 for my last rep of incline. I prob do 6 different chest exercises each session and I feel like it has been working wonders. I do feel like bench is important but dont forget the squeezing exercises. im 5'10 185 if that matters 

 

[jewbacca]

Thats like seeing a terrible basketball and making the assumption that all basketball players are terrible at the sport. You can judge a group of people based off of a few personal experiences.

Obviously there are some great personal trainers/coaches, but i was specifically mentioning these young kid personal trainers stealing money from 50/60 year old women. There is a big difference between those PT's and coaches who train local HS/college/pro athletes, who will work anyone too.