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[robin thicke]

CMON FITNESS FAMILY.

DOES ANYONE CROSSFIT HERE?

 

[bigboss]

 
CMON FITNESS FAMILY.

DOES ANYONE CROSSFIT HERE?

How the hell do you lift in those South Beaches? lol

 

[robin thicke]

 

 
CMON FITNESS FAMILY.

DOES ANYONE CROSSFIT HERE?

How the hell do you lift in those South Beaches? lol

IT WAS A NOD TO MIA CLOSING OUT BK LOL

 

[SuperJ5]

Using straps also places a huge stress on the rotator cuff/shoulder because of the imposed neural factors Durden spoke on, there won't be as much stability in the joint when using such heavy weight in the exercise. Using your own grip sends a signal to the rotator cuff to fire and "pack" itself to cause a more stable joint.

 

[everysingletime]

I swear non crossfit people bring up crossfit more than crossfit ppl do in this thread LOL

 

[durden7]

Superiority complex. Time to leave it at that.

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@geekforsneaks durden7

What are your options on L-Carnitine? I've read up quite a it on examine, but that's about it.

Not a huge fan of it. It may have a physiological benefit, but in terms of actually improving performance markers I havent seen or heard of any benefit.

It's not an excuse. You can still use straps and be working on grip/forearm strength. A deadlift is a posterior chain exercise, not a forearm exercise. Why would an athlete, other than a baseball player, sacrifice moving lesser weight to hit their forearms better? The extra weight you can get up with straps will be much more beneficial to most athletes.

Good lord, can we please stop using the terms alpha and beta?

The posterior chain isnt really even a thing though.

Heres a good thing to consider.... if your feet are on the ground and a weight is in your hands, its always a total body exercise. A deadlift is a total body exercise.

So instead of lessening the gap, youre making it larger.

Its disguising the weakness instead of improving it.

If the inverse were true, what would you do?

(Im not taking shots at you either, purely for the sake of discussion)

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.

I eventually want to step on stage in competition. For my goals, grip strength really has no purple. They're not going to check that.

Thickness, width, vascularity, symmetry, and other variables are more important.

I don't necessarily consider grip strength to be useless, but for my goals... It's not important.

If we're talking about training for functionality, then I completely agree that you shouldn't widen the gap.

And i have zero problem with anything you just said. Thats an example of having a goal, understanding the reasons why you exercise and using what you need to use to put yourself in position to accomplish the goal.

However, the problem is individuals who have no direction, no clear understaing of why theyre a member of a gym, or even why theyre about to pick up a weight and move it.

An accessory should help, not hinder the progress of the overall goal.

Whatever you do inside a gym, should make whatever you do outside of a gym... easier and better. If its not, then you wasted your time.

Using straps also places a huge stress on the rotator cuff/shoulder because of the imposed neural factors Durden spoke on, there won't be as much stability in the joint when using such heavy weight in the exercise. Using your own grip sends a signal to the rotator cuff to fire and "pack" itself to cause a more stable joint.

Ding ding ding. Neural drive.

Lose neural connection in the shoulder.... the scapula loses positioning... when the scapula loses its position, the lumbar spine has difficulty maintaining its rigidity.... when the lumbar spine cant remain solid..... youre screwed.

 

[robin thicke]

I swear non crossfit people bring up crossfit more than crossfit ppl do in this thread LOL

I SWEAR U DIDNTE EEM KNOW I CROSSFIT.

LOL

 

[baltimoregutta]

Using straps also places a huge stress on the rotator cuff/shoulder because of the imposed neural factors Durden spoke on, there won't be as much stability in the joint when using such heavy weight in the exercise. Using your own grip sends a signal to the rotator cuff to fire and "pack" itself to cause a more stable joint.

See. That's a reason I can actually listen to rather than an alpha/beta argument. That reason does give me something to think about when using straps.

durden7

In terms of L-Carnitine, I read that it may help with fat metabolism... If that makes sense. Pretty much, if I'm on a bulk, it'll help with keeping fat gain to a minimum. Not saying it'll stop me from gaining fat, but it'll help.

All that above provided my nutrition isn't sloppy.

In terms of straps, I also never said they were exactly necessary if anybody thought that. For my goals however, they don't necessarily hinder my progress in my opinion.

I do understand what you mean by pretty much saying people do things just to do them. Without any clear direction.

 

[durden7]

I would like to know how icing an injury is bad @Durden7
 

Icing is one of those ideas that somehow gets passed around as though its fact and people just dont question it. Theres never been a peer reviews article saying it has any benefits.

The body is really good at naturally healing itself. You get a cut, a clot forms and it basically heals on its own unless you do something to alter the natural healing process. The same is true for musculoskeletal injuries.

The body knows how to heal injuries as long as its allowed to do what its supposed to do. ice just slows the process down. Healing occurs when new blood/oxygen,proteins are brought to the injured site for damage repair and defense from unwanted invaders. Icing the area slows the blood flow process. A slushie doesnt flow quite as fast as room temperature water. You ice the area, it becomes numb and pain seems to go away but all youve done is delaying the healing process and temporarily remove feelings of pain. Ice doesnt reduce swelling either. The body provides just enough swelling.

The best way to promote blood/oxygen/protein flow is by movement. Contracting muscles removes byproducts and brings new blood to the area. Its the same reason why symptoms of DOMS are best treated by doing exactly what made you sore in the first place, but at a much lower intensity.

The old addage, "walk it off" was right all along.

 

[everysingletime]

When I watch when weightlifters train I see them mix it up a lot. Sometimes they use straps, sometimes they don't. And they don't necessarily use straps only during their max out days. It seems pretty random when they use it or not.

My theory is that the forearm is a small muscle and it doesn't have the endurance of other body muscles, so there are going to be days when the forearms limits the weight you can pull more than usual because it's just tired and not recovered enough, and that's when they use the straps.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Where I work/train, we deal mostly with medical fitness populations and strength/conditioning athletes so there really isnt a scenario in which I would need to have someone use any accessories. That sort of carried over into my own training.
lifting wrist wraps are different than athletic tape wraping though. One aids in movement/slightly restricts movement while the other one all but hinders it. Why use wraps for clean, snatches and ovehead presses. I can sort of understand the latter two, but cleans?
.

I don't use straps never have never will, just saw it as a form of "cheating", for lack of better terms and personal opinion of course.

I use strength wraps, closes feel to athletic tape, without the hassle of athletic tape.

Why on cleans? Because if you do them correctly that wrist support comes in handy.

It also makes it easier when doing Clean and Jerks and other various Olympic Lift complexes, which are a part of my training regimen.

Audi, throw out some recommendations, really interested. I understand Whey is just a supplement, honestly wish I could get my entire protein intake on food alone, but it's been futile with my busy schedule. Always looking at solid recommendations.

 

[miniojw]

I would like to know how icing an injury is bad @Durden7
 

Icing is one of those ideas that somehow gets passed around as though its fact and people just dont question it. Theres never been a peer reviews article saying it has any benefits.

The body is really good at naturally healing itself. You get a cut, a clot forms and it basically heals on its own unless you do something to alter the natural healing process. The same is true for musculoskeletal injuries.

The body knows how to heal injuries as long as its allowed to do what its supposed to do. ice just slows the process down. Healing occurs when new blood/oxygen,proteins are brought to the injured site for damage repair and defense from unwanted invaders. Icing the area slows the blood flow process. A slushie doesnt flow quite as fast as room temperature water. You ice the area, it becomes numb and pain seems to go away but all youve done is delaying the healing process and temporarily remove feelings of pain. Ice doesnt reduce swelling either. The body provides just enough swelling.

The best way to promote blood/oxygen/protein flow is by movement. Contracting muscles removes byproducts and brings new blood to the area. Its the same reason why symptoms of DOMS are best treated by doing exactly what made you sore in the first place, but at a much lower intensity.

The old addage, "walk it off" was right all along.

Man when I was in college, if a runner had any pain we would be sent to the trainers and one of the things they always did is to put you in an ice bath. Every school had them too and I think every school had the same ideology.

So, what do you think of R.I.C.E (Rest, Ice, Compression, and Elevation)?

 

[everysingletime]

Durden, if you're going to peak against a first aid staple, and what everyone learns in health and medical care, you should cite your sources.

 

[bigboss]

And i have zero problem with anything you just said. Thats an example of having a goal, understanding the reasons why you exercise and using what you need to use to put yourself in position to accomplish the goal.

However, the problem is individuals who have no direction, no clear understaing of why theyre a member of a gym, or even why theyre about to pick up a weight and move it.

An accessory should help, not hinder the progress of the overall goal.

Whatever you do inside a gym, should make whatever you do outside of a gym... easier and better. If its not, then you wasted your time.
 

All this is so true man. I wish more people would go to the gym with a goal in mind past looking good or impressing girls. One that has some quantitative data to it so you know you're progressing. 

 

[durden7]

Where I work/train, we deal mostly with medical fitness populations and strength/conditioning athletes so there really isnt a scenario in which I would need to have someone use any accessories. That sort of carried over into my own training.
lifting wrist wraps are different than athletic tape wraping though. One aids in movement/slightly restricts movement while the other one all but hinders it. Why use wraps for clean, snatches and ovehead presses. I can sort of understand the latter two, but cleans?
.

Why on cleans? Because if you do them correctly that wrist support comes in handy.

It also makes it easier when doing Clean and Jerks and other various Olympic Lift complexes, which are a part of my training regimen.

Ah gotcha, I was thinking that the bulkiness and "wrist support" would ultimately lead to a reduction in range of motion. But if you can still get into the racked position well with wraps then it makes sense to me.

I would like to know how icing an injury is bad @Durden7
 

Icing is one of those ideas that somehow gets passed around as though its fact and people just dont question it. Theres never been a peer reviews article saying it has any benefits.

The body is really good at naturally healing itself. You get a cut, a clot forms and it basically heals on its own unless you do something to alter the natural healing process. The same is true for musculoskeletal injuries.

The body knows how to heal injuries as long as its allowed to do what its supposed to do. ice just slows the process down. Healing occurs when new blood/oxygen,proteins are brought to the injured site for damage repair and defense from unwanted invaders. Icing the area slows the blood flow process. A slushie doesnt flow quite as fast as room temperature water. You ice the area, it becomes numb and pain seems to go away but all youve done is delaying the healing process and temporarily remove feelings of pain. Ice doesnt reduce swelling either. The body provides just enough swelling.

The best way to promote blood/oxygen/protein flow is by movement. Contracting muscles removes byproducts and brings new blood to the area. Its the same reason why symptoms of DOMS are best treated by doing exactly what made you sore in the first place, but at a much lower intensity.

The old addage, "walk it off" was right all along.

Man when I was in college, if a runner had any pain we would be sent to the trainers and one of the things they always did is to put you in an ice bath. Every school had them too and I think every school had the same ideology.

So, what do you think of R.I.C.E (Rest, Ice, Compression, and Elevation)?

I think RICE is over and misused. Immobilization and ice arent good for musculoskeletal injuries (granted, there are without a doubt injuries where ice,and rest are helpful but most of those situations arent found in recreational exercisers. Movement through non-painful ranges of motion are best.

 

[jking0821]

Durden, if you're going to peak against a first aid staple, and what everyone learns in health and medical care, you should cite your sources.

i just googled it...and from what i read everything points to inconclusive evidence.

Althought for muscle recovery...they did say this

"We only found an effect in favor of cold water immersion when it was compared to doing nothing -- that is, passive rest after exercise," says Chris Bleakley, PhD, a researcher at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland.

 

[robin thicke]

 

[ooiron manoo]

Ah gotcha, I was thinking that the bulkiness and "wrist support" would ultimately lead to a reduction in range of motion. But if you can still get into the racked position well with wraps then it makes sense to me.
I think RICE is over and misused. Immobilization and ice arent good for musculoskeletal injuries (granted, there are without a doubt injuries where ice,and rest are helpful but most of those situations arent found in recreational exercisers. Movement through non-painful ranges of motion are best.

My ROM is good, and they don't affect my front rack position. The wraps I use are the closest thing to athletic tape, they don't smell either .



Strength Wraps or PR Wraps bro, once you get used to putting them on (no thumb ring), they are amazing. You can loosen or tighten them in between sets, not cumbersome and don't affect ROM.

 

[robin thicke]

Thumb rings always bugged me so this is gonna be fun to try.

And yea I also don't like the bulkin was of normal wraps as it hinders my feelings in grip as durden stated


I'm copping these and a gnc on the go blender this week!

I am excite

 

[durden7]

Spoiler

Br J Sports Med. Aug 2006; 40(: 700–705.
Published online Apr 12, 2006. doi: 10.1136/bjsm.2006.025932
PMCID: PMC2579462
Cryotherapy for acute ankle sprains: a randomised controlled study of two different icing protocols
C M Bleakley, S M McDonough, and D C MacAuley
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Abstract
Background

The use of cryotherapy in the management of acute soft tissue injury is largely based on anecdotal evidence. Preliminary evidence suggests that intermittent cryotherapy applications are most effective at reducing tissue temperature to optimal therapeutic levels. However, its efficacy in treating injured human subjects is not yet known.

Objective

: To compare the efficacy of an intermittent cryotherapy treatment protocol with a standard cryotherapy treatment protocol in the management of acute ankle sprains.

Subjects

Sportsmen (n = 44) and members of the general public (n = 45) with mild/moderate acute ankle sprains.

Methods

Subjects were randomly allocated, under strictly controlled double blind conditions, to one of two treatment groups: standard ice application (n = 46) or intermittent ice application (n = 43). The mode of cryotherapy was standardised across groups and consisted of melting iced water (0°C) in a standardised pack. Function, pain, and swelling were recorded at baseline and one, two, three, four, and six weeks after injury.

Results

Subjects treated with the intermittent protocol had significantly (p

 

[robin thicke]

Will read later. Thanks bro!

 

[stuntman mike]

i think al audi was talking about using something along the lines of a colostrum-based protein product.

 

[ooiron manoo]

i think al audi was talking about using something along the lines of a colostrum-based protein product.

Aware me!

 

[stuntman mike]

i could be way off base, but i recall him saying that he uses a product similar to isatori biogro. i guess we wait for him to come in and clarify

changing subjects, did anyone else get the $50 off next purchase from nike today? not sure what imma get.

 

[ooiron manoo]

i could be way off base, but i recall him saying that he uses a product similar to isatori biogro. i guess we wait for him to come in and clarify

changing subjects, did anyone else get the $50 off next purchase from nike today? not sure what imma get.

I got free two day shipping,

Good thing I got a Swoosh plug again, otherwise would've been pissed,