STAY/GET BACK IN SHAPE VOL 3.0 -- A New Niketalk = A New Thread

[jkitty]

About who has the biggest ****

 

[bigboss]

Dudes trying to argue what's considered natural when it's ******* simple, if you buy it at GNC then you're still natural. If you shoot it in your *** then it's not.

(And yes there's pill forms of steroids too)

 

[freeze]

Why are you talking like the regulars in this thread are spending 200+ at GNC. That is ******ed.. Talk about misconstruing the facts. I'm lucky if I take protein once every few days.
And have you done anabolics? If you had, I think youd be able to recognize they're far from just a little help.

Interesting so the Stay/Get back in shape thread have people who don't care about nutritional supplement help or spend money on supps at all??

Research what dude? Get on a cycle and tell me you don't feel like the freaking incredible hulk. Then come back and tell me what you can buy at GNC that gives you 10% of the same effect.

There's one of those trick questions that no matter how I answer you will simply not care or not believe me. So why even ask. ??

But thats exactly what you need to research.

Taking pre workout and watching a CT fletcher video has me in the gym feeling like I'm the Incredible hulk.

You're saying (which I'm assuming you have no experience in) that Steroids will give me that Pre work out feeling just all the time?

do you even lift bruh?

 

[suberzat1]

I just want to take protein that's not hard to ask. Got my first naturebox in yesterday and I am happy with the snacks so far. Need to try some more out the package. Only ate the raspberry figs

 

[ballahb]

list of $200 worth of stuff at GNC that can rival anabolic steroids?
pls respond

not srs

 

[th3anonymous1]

with Jkitty..... again No matter what I say you will write me off or not believe me, (exactly what you just did).
Anabolics don't get you Pumped and feeling like hulk for the gym.
They're for your bodies growth.
 

Anabolics don't get you pumped in the gym? Now depending on what type your taking, it will effect you differently while you exercise, but you will most definitely be pumped all day and night regardless.

For instance, any testosterone wether its cypionate, enanthate, or propionate will have you feeling jacked and pumped 24/7 and increases red blood cell count, thus increasing the pump you feel through out the day. That also happens to be the science behind all the Nitric Oxide supps (to increase red bood cell count), thus giving you the pump. That is scientifically proven. Maybe you need to do your research and quit telling other to research when you obviously do not know what you are talking about. 

 

[baltimoregutta]

I've had people on roids tell me how the gym staff had to tell them to leave, because they were on the gym so long.

He has no idea what he's talking about. Call him another troll.

As far as good results, did you know that following a solid program, and nutrition plan can do that? Without supplements? Or nah?

 

[ronaldcinho]

what in the mother eff? geeking out in class reading the last page

 

[Bert.]

his neck and traps....came out of no where

thats what happens when you hop on a cycle, traps blow up, delts too.

 

[byukid]

Almost all the people who claim that protein/creatine/GNC-atine makes you not natty look like they haven't even seen a barbell.

 

[th3anonymous1]

 
Almost all the people who claim that protein/creatine/GNC-atine makes you not natty look like they haven't even seen a barbell.

QFT! How I personally distinguish natural from not is if you need a doctors prescription to atttain it, and im not talking about ordering it from overseas either. If the major sites or brick and morter stores dont sell it, then you are not considered natural. Those happen to be the bylaws for all fitness events. Here is the actual list of banned substances that "natural" athletes cannot use:

A. Stimulants

• amiphenazole
• amphetamines
• amineptine
• cocaine
• ephedrine
• fencamfamine
• mesocarb
• pentylentetrazol
• pipradol
• salbutamol & terbutaline (are permitted by inhaler only and must be declared to the relevant medical authority.)

NOTE: All imidazole preparations are acceptable for topical use, e.g. oxymetazoline. Vasoconstrictors (e.g. adrenaline) may be administered with local anesthetic agents. Topical preparations (e.g. nasal, ophthalmologic) of Phenylephrine are permitted.

B. Narcotic analgesics

• dextromoramide
• dextropropoxyphene
• diamorphine
• methadone
• morphine
• pentazocine
• pethidine

.... and related substances

NOTE: Codeine, Dextromethorphan, Dihydrocodeine, Diphenoxylate and Pholcodine are permitted.

C. Anabolic agents

The Anabolic class includes anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) and Beta-2 Agonists.

1.Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS)

The AAS class includes testosterone and substances that are related in structure and activity to it. They have been misused in sport to increase muscle strength bulk, and to promote aggressiveness.

Some examples of AAS are:

• clostebol
• fluoxymesterone
• metandienone
• metenolone
• nandrolone
• oxandrolone
• stanozolol
• testosterone *

... and related substances

Note: The administration of testosterone is banned. The presence of a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio greater than six (6) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offense unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition, e.g. low epitestosterone excretion, androgen production by tumor, enzyme deficiencies.

2.Beta-2 Agonists

Some examples of beta-2 Agonists are:

• clenbuterol
• salbutamol
• terbutaline
• saimeterol
• fenoterol

.... and related substances

D. Diuretics

Some examples of diuretics are:

• acetazolamide
• bumetanide
• chlorthalidone
• ethacrynic acid
• furosemide
• hydrochlorothiazide
• mannitol
• mersalyl
• spironolactone
• triamterene

.... and related substances

E. Peptide and Glycoprotein hormones and analogues

1.Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG - human chorionic Gonadotrophin)

2.Corticotropin (ACTH)

3.Growth hormone (HGH, somatropin)

4.Erythrorpoietin (EPO)

… and related substances

II. METHODS

A. Blood doping

B. Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation

( The responsible authorities ban the use of substances and of methods that alter the integrity and validity of urine samples used in doping controls. Examples of banned methods are catheterization, urine substitution and/or tampering, inhibition of renal excretion. e.g. by probenecid and related compounds, and epitestosterone administration.)

III. CLASSES OF DRUGS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS

C. Local anesthetics

Injectable local anesthetics are permitted under the following conditions:

(a) that bupivacaine, lidocaine, mepivacaine, procaine etc. are used but not cocaine.

Vasoconstrictor agents (e.g. adrenaline) may be used in conjunction with local aesthetics.

(b) only local or intra-articular injections may be administered;

(c) only when medically justified (i.e. the details including diagnosis, dose and route of

administration must be submitted immediately in writing to the relevant medical authority.

D. Corticosteroids

The use of Corticosteroids is banned except

(a) for topical use (aural, opthalmological and dermatogical) but not rectal;

(b) by inhalation;

(c) by intra-articular or local injection.

E. Beta-blockers

Some examples of beta-blockers are:

• acebutalol
• alprenolol
• atenolof
• labetalol
• metoprolol
• nadolol
• oxprenolol
• propranolol
• sotalol

.... and related substances

EXPANDED LIST OF EXAMPLES

Caution: This is not an exhaustive list of banned substances. It is provided only to give the reader a more comprehensive list of banned substances. Many substances that do not appear on this expanded list are considered banned under the term "and related substances".

A. Stimulants

amfepramone metamfetamine

amineptine methoxyphenamine

amfetamine methylendioxyamfetamine

cathine methylephedrine

cropropamide nikethamide

crotetamide norphenfluramine

etamivan parahydroxyamfetamine

etilamfetamine pemoline

etilefrine phendimetrazine

fencamfamin phentermine

fenetylline phenylpropanolamine

fenfluramine pholedrine

heptaminol prolintane

mefenorex propylhexedrine

mephentermine pseudoephedrine

mesocarb salbutamol

strychnine

B. Narcotics

dextropropoxyphene

ethylmorphine

hydrocodone

morphine

pentazocine

pethidine

propoxyphene

C. Anabolic Agents

(1)Anabolic steroids

(2)Beta2-agonists

boldenone metenolone

clenbuterol methandriol

clostebol methyltestosterone

danazol mibolerone

dehydrochlormethyltest nandrolone

dihydrotestosterone norethandrolone

drostanolone oxandrolone

fluoxymesterone oxymesterone

formebolone oxymetholone

Insulin stanozolol

metandienone testosterone

trenbolone

Winstrol

 

[dropten]

When did GNC get into the debate? What you can get at GNC shouldn't be a basis of the natural argument. I used to buy some good steroids at GNC
And I hear they still have some good stuff now

The Legal argument shouldn't be a basis of the argument either. Some things were legal and are now illegal. If you used it when it was legal, were you natural?

The natural argument is a simple one. If you are using a supplement, steroid or what ever, that is designed to burn fat, build muscle, make you faster, stronger, give more energy in the gym
or increase your endurance, then you are not natural.

 

[Bert.]

i take creatine

im not natty

 

[dropten]

i take creatine

im not natty

Arent you taking creatine to build muscle, get stronger? Things you couldn't accomplish naturally without the use of creatine?

 

[jking0821]

Then we have to define the word natural.  Because a Natural Bodybuilder has a different definition then fully natural.

Its a dumb argument.  Do you eat chicken?  The chicken is filled with GMO's and then you eat it so you aren't natural.  Did you eat food with food coloring in it?  Oh thats not natural its made in a factory.

The argument was started on Maybin obviously doing some PEDs then some how took a troll turn when some one said he could do it naturally and everyone said no he couldn't....then it became well what is natural....who cares...the end of it is Maybin did steriods to put on 25lbs of what seems to be a lot of muscle in 2 months

 

[dropten]

Then we have to define the word natural.  Because a Natural Bodybuilder has a different definition then fully natural.

Its a dumb argument.  Do you eat chicken?  The chicken is filled with GMO's and then you eat it so you aren't natural.  Did you eat food with food coloring in it?  Oh thats not natural its made in a factory.

Aint no body eating chicken to get them HGH. Even if GH was pumped into the chicken right before you eat it, it would never make it to your blood stream. So the chicken argument is not a good one

 

[wayniac211]

I burn indica before every workout... guess im cheating as well :x

 

[jking0821]

 

Then we have to define the word natural.  Because a Natural Bodybuilder has a different definition then fully natural.

Its a dumb argument.  Do you eat chicken?  The chicken is filled with GMO's and then you eat it so you aren't natural.  Did you eat food with food coloring in it?  Oh thats not natural its made in a factory.

Aint no body eating chicken to get them HGH. Even if GH was pumped into the chicken right before you eat it, it would never make it to your blood stream. So the chicken argument is not a good one

But the chicken is not raised naturally.  And even lettuce is grown with pesticides that could be considered un natural because it is not a part of nature.  Then by you consuming these modified foods you are eating something un natural.  The amount of protein in each chicken you eat could be modified by the drugs they give to the chicken.  

I know these are all un necessary arguments.  But there is no where to draw the line.  Creatine is a naturally occurring amino acid.  But taking a supplement of it makes you un natural?  Because you couldn't get those doses any other way? 

 

[dropten]

But the chicken is not raised naturally.  And even lettuce is grown with pesticides that could be considered un natural because it is not a part of nature.  Then by you consuming these modified foods you are eating something un natural.  The amount of protein in each chicken you eat could be modified by the drugs they give to the chicken.  

I know these are all un necessary arguments.  But there is no where to draw the line.  Creatine is a naturally occurring amino acid.  But taking a supplement of it makes you un natural?  Because you couldn't get those doses any other way? 

testosterone is naturally occurring also, but if a person takes test, they're not considered natural anymore. And you'll have to show me where naturally raised chicken have less protein than factory chickens

I burn indica before every workout... guess im cheating as well :x

Isnt weed a naturally occurring plant? I need to see where weed makes you faster, stronger and brolic

And why is it always cheating Who are you in a competition with that would make you a cheat?

 

[bigboss]

Some people just want to watch the world burn...

 

[dropten]

Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??

 

[jking0821]

Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??

You are natural by natural bodybuilding guidelines.

You do not take any of the banned substances on the list that was posted so you consider yourself natural.  And in the frame of reference here when asked "hey are you natural"  no one says.  Nope...i take whey protein.  

 

[bigboss]

Drop come on bruh you know taking some creatine vs taking some clen tren and HGH are 2 polar opposite things.

 

[dropten]

You are natural by natural bodybuilding guidelines.

You do not take any of the banned substances on the list that was posted so you consider yourself natural.  And in the frame of reference here when asked "hey are you natural"  no one says.  Nope...i take whey protein.  

And I made a post asking if I took a substance that wasn't banned/ illegal but later became banned/ illegal, was I a natural then?
That list cant be the sole basis of the natural argument. More and more substances are created all the time that are not on the list

 

[jking0821]

 

You are natural by natural bodybuilding guidelines.

You do not take any of the banned substances on the list that was posted so you consider yourself natural.  And in the frame of reference here when asked "hey are you natural"  no one says.  Nope...i take whey protein.  

And I made a post asking if I took a substance that wasn't banned/ illegal but later became banned/ illegal, was I a natural then?
That list cant be the sole basis of the natural argument. More and more substances are created all the time that are not on the list

But given the frame of reference being a bodybuilder and basically just generic questioning....the list IS the basis.  And when things get added and taken away it changes what is and isn't natural.

now if you think natural = anyone who never has taken a supplement then thats fine.  I have no problem with your personal definition of natural.  All i am saying is in general population when asked if you are natural the normal person takes that as "are you on steriods"?