Tipping etiquette when you're being treated

get the hell outta here with this whole "you lack class and respect". I mean hey i even leave and extra dollar for a bartender even though it took like 10 minutes to get there attention and drinks are watered down and jacked up in price but I'm not calling someone classless for not tipping.
 
the catering charge goes to the company but not the workers.   Some places dont even have catering charges.   My wife's point is this why work 4 to 5 hours busting her *** to set up and serve everybody their food and having to get them all refills on their drinks only to at the end of the event to only get tipped 20 bucks and if she was at the restaurant serving she would have a lot less work to do and she would make a lot more in tips in that time span.  Let alone when she does catering sometimes its for parties where everyone is drunk and acting rude.  Why wait on a bunch of arrogant rude people for 4 to 5 hours to only make a extra $20.00 bucks?  But dont get me wrong some people have tipped her $500.00 before.   Heres another example my wife drives their catering truck for deliveries too.  She makes decent money in tips for deliveries but sometimes she will deliver a huge *** order of like $5000.00 to a company and she wont  get tipped at all.  A order that big it takes her 10 to 15 minutes just to load up the truck and another 10 to 15 minutes to unload the truck and then shes required to set up there order where ever they want her to which takes another 15 minutes.   Now when you order a pizza for delivery and say your order is just $25.00 bucks how much do you tip the pizza man just for bringing up a couple boxes of food to your door?   Shes bringing up $5000.00 worth of food and sometimes there so cheap to where they dont tip a dollar!
This is what confuses me, this algorithm is not registering with me...am I tipping for the service, the value of the food, or the amount of work you do?
 
That's reasonable.

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at saying arguments other than yours have "no substance." You mean when juxtaposed with arguments founded on (actual language here) "social norms, social contracts, unwritten contract, implied contracts" which are founded on, "I signed up for potentially a ****** work agreement on my own volition and am being taken advantage of, so you should make up for it. That's just how it is!"

Maybe you all should go on strike, really stick it to your bosses.
^^ What this guy is saying makes sense.  And this is coming from someone who tips unless I receive horrible service.

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@ "if you can't tip, take your butt to McDeezy's"
 
I usually do 16-18% but thanks NT i'm changing that to a flat rate scale.

$0-30 will be tipped $3.50

$30-65 will be tipped $4.50

$65+ will be tipped $6

But in all seriousness I hate people who feel like they're entitled to a tip. All I have to do is pay the bill. I do leave nice tips at places I frequent so might drinks hit just right :pimp:
 
LEAVING TIPS IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY. IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO LEAVE A TIP. THEN DO SO. IF NOT, THEN DON'T. YOU NEVER KNOW A DINER'S MONETARY SITUATION BUT I GUESS THE POOR SHOULD STAY HOME THEN AND NOT ENJOY A MEAL OUT IF THEY ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THEIR MEAL. :rolleyes

I NEVER LOOK DOWN OR THINK ANY WAY OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LEAVE A TIP. THE WAY PEOPLE GO ABOUT IT SOMETIMES MAKES ME NOT EVER WANT TO LEAVE A TIP AGAIN
 
That's reasonable.

:lol: at saying arguments other than yours have "no substance." You mean when juxtaposed with arguments founded on (actual language here) "social norms, social contracts, unwritten contract, implied contracts" which are founded on, "I signed up for potentially a ****** work agreement on my own volition and am being taken advantage of, so you should make up for it. That's just how it is!"


Maybe you all should go on strike, really stick it to your bosses.


^^ What this guy is saying makes sense.  And this is coming from someone who tips unless I receive horrible service.

:rofl: @ "if you can't tip, take your butt to McDeezy's"

WORST LOGIC EVER.
 
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LEAVING TIPS IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY. IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO LEAVE A TIP. THEN DO SO. IF NOT, THEN DON'T. YOU NEVER KNOW A DINER'S MONETARY SITUATION BUT I GUESS THE POOR SHOULD STAY HOME THEN AND NOT ENJOY A MEAL OUT IF THEY ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THEIR MEAL. :rolleyes

If someone only has enough to cover their meal they should go to the grocery store and get more value for their dollar because they clearly aren't in the best financial situation to be enjoying a meal out. Eating out is a luxury not a necessity/requirement.
 
So if non-tippers have a problem with the system....they don't have to use the system (eating at restaurants) or they can propose a change in legislation and push for that. But choosing to punish the server/worker for a system that they did not create is just ludicrous.
I am sure a lot of people would like to tip out of appreciation....but unfortunately just like the Honor System in school, there are too many people that abuse it and cheat.
Social Norms are not always free.....gift giving, showing up with a gift for the host of a party, etc.

Non-tippers that go to restaurants and don't tip are showing their discontent with the "system". You tell them to propose a change, and this is a means in which they feel comfortable doing so. I understand that the waiters are the ones that are getting hurt, but they, too, are part of the system. They are as equally as responsible to proposing a change to the system.

The complaints about waiters only getting paid below minimum wage should not be an issue in which the customer becomes the scapegoat for low earnings. From the customer's perspective, they attend a venue for the product and the service, which I believe should be all inclusive. However, they are expected to pay essentially 2 bills (one for food, and one for service).

If the restaurant system implemented a price that incorporated its phenomenal quality service with its top of the line product, then there would be no grey area and no "social norm" (poorly defined) for the customer to be expected to uphold. The customer pays the price as listed, and the company and its staff are provided with the listed price, simple.

As any employee outside of the food industry, their management expects them to provide their best performance, and in return, they will be paid X agreed upon salary. As their performance is assessed, they may be given bonuses, raises, and incentives to commend their work. This is straightforward and how I believe it should work. Tips should be a luxury bestowed by the visiting party for phenomenal service, not a social requirement.

Just because I always tip 18-23% doesn't mean I don't agree with the system.

Lastly, for those that are telling others to eat fast food or stay at home, please drop the elitist act. Many go through hell to make ends meet, and at the end of the week, they want to treat themselves to preserve their sanity. If we open up our minds to fully assess the situation and sympathize with our peers, we may find that the flaw is not within us (the customers) but the restaurants payment system.
 
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If someone only has enough to cover their meal they should go to the grocery store and get more value for their dollar because they clearly aren't in the best financial situation to be enjoying a meal out. Eating out is a luxury not a necessity/requirement.
Wrong way to think. Like kiendienn said, people just go to restaurants at the end of the week (or in some cases month) to maintain what sanity they have left after taking care of priorities. Its just like going to the movies or a sporting event, yes its a luxury with the latter being expensive, but that couple of hours is just to get away from your problems does a lot for someone.
 
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LEAVING TIPS IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY. IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO LEAVE A TIP. THEN DO SO. IF NOT, THEN DON'T. YOU NEVER KNOW A DINER'S MONETARY SITUATION BUT I GUESS THE POOR SHOULD STAY HOME THEN AND NOT ENJOY A MEAL OUT IF THEY ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THEIR MEAL.
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I NEVER LOOK DOWN OR THINK ANY WAY OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LEAVE A TIP. THE WAY PEOPLE GO ABOUT IT SOMETIMES MAKES ME NOT EVER WANT TO LEAVE A TIP AGAIN
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Making yourself look stupid.

Take cap lock off and calm down jack.  Why would "the poor" go to a place and order $12 chicken wings and some burgers if they cant afford the $6 extra to tip their server? (basing tip off ~$32 dinner bill)

The people you're talking about going out to dinner and not being able to afford it need to learn how to budget.
 
I was treated out to lunch the other day and we had a really good waiter. He was really attentive and went above and beyond, even when we were really slow ordering. However, when we got the bill, my hosts didn't really pay him any kind of tip. I don't even think we gave 5%. Our waiter wasn't around after he gave us the tab back, and he was like a high school student so I knew how money's tight when you're a kid.
What do you do in this situation? I'm not trying to be impolite to my hosts but I'm also not trying to short-change someone who deserves more.
And this isn't an argument over whether one should tip.
If you were being treated, then it's customary that they foot the bill. If you saw the tip was less than 15% then maybe slide $5 or $10 bucks under the dirty plates.
Now if you're treating, before you get seated hand the host your credit card and tell them don't bring it to the table until we're finished then sign off on the tip at your discretion.
 
Who the **** are you guys to say what people should do with their money? If they wanna go out to eat and can afford the price on their menu,who gives a **** what the waiter thinks? :lol: At the gal of so many people whos greatest marketable skill is refilling sodas and carrying plates from point a to point b trying to tell everyone else what they should do with their money. Like ****** need your permission
 
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Who the **** are you guys to say what people should do with their money? If they wanna go out to eat and can afford the price on their menu,who gives a **** what the waiter thinks?
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At the gal of so many people whos greatest marketable skill is refilling sodas and carrying plates from point a to point b trying to tell everyone else what they should do with their money. Like ****** need your permission
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Ignorance is bliss......I can only hope your children adopt your wonderful outlook on life and system of values.
You mean like thinking for themselves and not being bullied into something they don't necessarily agree with because, "everyone else does... that;'s just the way it is I guess...they'll spit in your food!" Yea, I do too.
 
You mean like thinking for themselves and not being bullied into something they don't necessarily agree with because, "everyone else does... that;'s just the way it is I guess...they'll spit in your food!" Yea, I do too.

Not in the slightest. You are loose with your mouth and tight with your wallet. You just flat out cheap.

This is you my dude:

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You that guy stealing from the tithing basket.....I am not the one on a crusade to vanquish all tippers and am crying at such an outrage.

Money is just money to me....I am fortunate enough to make a good amount and if me giving some extra cash to someone at a job who is busting their *** makes their night, I am cool with that.
 
Not in the slightest. You are loose with your mouth and tight with your wallet. You just flat out cheap.
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You that guy stealing from the tithing basket.....I am not the one on a crusade to vanquish all tippers and am crying at such an outrage.
Money is just money to me....I am fortunate enough to make a good amount and if me giving some extra cash to someone at a job who is busting their *** makes their night, I am cool with that.
In case you haven't noticed, I have responded in kind to everything said to and about me. Look back through the topic, how many different names and insults have you and your waitstaff crew called me, and you're talking about passing things on to kids and ****? I am fortunate enough to give everybody I pass on the street 10$ too, and I'm sure that would make some of their day, but that isn't the ******g point nor is that what I was arguing. I am by far less emotional than you are bro, posting pics of weird dudes and **** and making all sorts of horrendously unsupported correlations and assuming you know me.
 
For the record, the amount of the tip (or if they tip) doesn't determine someone's wealth. Many times I've heard stories about rich people tipping low. I'm not talking about the average rapper or athlete, but the really wealthy people. And who's to say a high tipper is wealthy anyway? There are a lot of people spending money they don't have. Charging everything to their credit card. Just trying to impress people and ball out. I thought the debate was about the idea of tipping, not a debate on peoples economic status.
 
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In case you haven't noticed, I have responded in kind to everything said to and about me. Look back through the topic, how many different names and insults have you and your waitstaff crew called me, and you're talking about passing things on to kids and ****? I am fortunate enough to give everybody I pass on the street 10$ too, and I'm sure that would make some of their day, but that isn't the ******g point nor is that what I was arguing. I am by far less emotional than you are bro, posting pics of weird dudes and **** and making all sorts of horrendously unsupported correlations and assuming you know me.

Son, you have shown you don't know what a server's job description consist of. Repeatedly showing your ignorance by claiming all they do is bring sodas to a table or put whip cream on coffee, etc. You sound mad lame.
 
If someone only has enough to cover their meal they should go to the grocery store and get more value for their dollar because they clearly aren't in the best financial situation to be enjoying a meal out. Eating out is a luxury not a necessity/requirement.
Yes because single moms who have two kids and work late shifts can always cook for their kids. Some of you dudes are too simple and closed minded for your own good.
 
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If someone only has enough to cover their meal they should go to the grocery store and get more value for their dollar because they clearly aren't in the best financial situation to be enjoying a meal out. Eating out is a luxury not a necessity/requirement.
Yes because single moms who have two kids and work late shifts can always cook for their kids. Some of you dudes are too simple and closed minded for your own good.
So they have to go to a sit down restaurant?

You guys are taking these hard stands like there's no other options than eating out...

Typically dinner at a restaurant takes around an hour.  There's plenty of recipe's that are ready in that amount of time, and you still have to drive or walk or bus or train TO the restaurant.

There's also delivery and takeout that will be cheaper than sitting down.
 
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