Tipping etiquette when you're being treated

So they have to go to a sit down restaurant?

You guys are taking these hard stands like there's no other options than eating out...

Typically dinner at a restaurant takes around an hour.  There's plenty of recipe's that are ready in that amount of time, and you still have to drive or walk or bus or train TO the restaurant.

There's also delivery and takeout that will be cheaper than sitting down.
You are taking the hard stand that you have to tip when, by  definition of the words tip and gratuity, you don't have to.

And school me on the tip jar at the takeout spot, and the tip for the delivery dude? Please! School me!
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So they have to go to a sit down restaurant?

You guys are taking these hard stands like there's no other options than eating out...

Typically dinner at a restaurant takes around an hour.  There's plenty of recipe's that are ready in that amount of time, and you still have to drive or walk or bus or train TO the restaurant.

There's also delivery and takeout that will be cheaper than sitting down.
You are taking the hard stand that you have to tip when, by  definition of the words tip and gratuity, you don't have to.

And school me on the tip jar at the takeout spot, and the tip for the delivery dude? Please! School me!
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Tips stands for To Insure Prompt Service.

Obviously there is a flaw in this as you do not tip PRIOR to the meal but after, tipping before could happen however, it happens a lot at Hotels where a guest may throw the Front Desk person a $20 To Insure Prompt Service that likely gets them into their room quickly and maybe even hooks them up with an upgrade.  If we did this in restaurants, then people who DON'T tip would probably not be first in line for their meals as ticketed in the kitchen.

Now, here is where we are today where people tip AFTER service.  This should motivate the server to give the best service possible to be rewarded with a higher % at the end.
Although the addition of a gratuity or tip to a bill is now largely perceived as a gift for good service, the origin of the practice may be traced back to 18th Century English pubs when tipping was considered an essential incentive for better service. These days, many workers rely on tips as a substantial and necessary part of their income.
Liken it to PAST PRACTICE. A customary way of doing things not written into the collective bargaining agreement. Past practices can sometimes be enforced through... etc. (the definition of past practice in case you didn't pick that up) But who cares about how things have been done for years and years and decades and centuries? Right?

Why do you need to be schooled about the tip jar at the takeout spot??? Does it ever look full? Probably not... They make their hourly wage, that is at LEAST the legal minimum wage, unlike restaurant servers who's job by the way things that are set up RIGHT NOW earn them sometimes less than HALF of min wage.  The people at subway near me don't get a tip from me, why? Because the service is awful and they don't give a damn about the customer, they toast my Sweet Onion Chicken and throw on the banana peppers and Jalepeno's and call it a day.  If they were to engage me personally and make me notice that they might care just a little bit or even if they're completely faking it, sure id leave them the change I got back.

Delivery guys have been discussed 120319204 times already and im not gonna burn myself out anymore on that... Throw the guy a couple bucks if he had to drive a ways to get to ur place and leave it at that... You probably saved ur own *** a $4.18 by not driving 12 miles each way to pick up your own damn pizza....

DISCLAIMER AGAIN: I have never been a server in a restaurant.
 
If you don't tip you should take your cheap butt to a fast food joint. The only thing you are doing is getting over on the system because of the people that tip. They'll just start adding 18% to all checks no matter the size.

It's like going to church and not putting anything in the collection bowl when it comes to you.
 
i've dated girls that were servers.... i know how not-easy-at-all it is. i tip generously because of that, and times are hard enough. i'm not going to be the reason someone's late on a bill because i decided to be stingy. i work hard for my money and if my server works hard for me, i got no problems passing the 'blessings' along.

that, and i'm not a butthole.
 
If you don't tip you should take your cheap butt to a fast food joint. The only thing you are doing is getting over on the system because of the people that tip. They'll just start adding 18% to all checks no matter the size.

It's like going to church and not putting anything in the collection bowl when it comes to you.

Should've just left it there. :rolleyes

So by your logic, you telling me I can't go to church now if I don't put money in the bowl?

Oh.
 
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If you don't tip you should take your cheap butt to a fast food joint. The only thing you are doing is getting over on the system because of the people that tip. They'll just start adding 18% to all checks no matter the size.
It's like going to church and not putting anything in the collection bowl when it comes to you.
Piss poor comparison and you know that. At many churches, the money in the collection bowl goes straight into the pastor's pocket instead of the church and charity.

Again, people wouldn't mind an increase if it was all inclusive with a service charge.
 
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Piss poor comparison and you know that. At many churches, the money in the collection bowl goes straight into the pastor's pocket instead of the church and charity.

Again, people wouldn't mind an increase if it was all inclusive with a service charge.
Agreed.

f this thread I might just stop tipping because of spite against frustrated former servers. 
 
Agreed.

f this thread I might just stop tipping because of spite against frustrated former servers. 

Your sub 10% tip won't be missed. And you non-tippers would be the first to gripe about food prices being too high if some price increase took place to off set the tipping wage structure.

You are just cheap, flat out....point-blank cheap.
 
If you don't tip you should take your cheap butt to a fast food joint. The only thing you are doing is getting over on the system because of the people that tip. They'll just start adding 18% to all checks no matter the size.
It's like going to church and not putting anything in the collection bowl when it comes to you.

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And I guess those people should stay home and watch church on tv, right?

Nomad, what was the point of that video? Dude didn't win. He has a felony now and when/if he gets a job at McDonald's again, he'll have to start from the bottom and work his way back up to drive through window, all because he had to refill a cup 3x, which just consists of pushing a button. He'll never be Calvin at this rate.
 
You might be right... However until that happens.. These cheap clowns will just throw up their arms and say "well its not requiredddddd" "they should just get a better jobbbbbbbbbb if they want more money!!!" etc. and use the fact that its not against the law or anything like that as an excuse to cop out of tipping.

But then again theres all those struggling single moms with 3 kids below the poverty line that need to go sit down in an establishment and have someone be their "servant" because they "don't have time to cook".
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A lot of those struggling single moms with 3 kids are also servers too there folks, they could appreciate you cheap stingy *** fools tipping a few extra dollars when they work that late shift.

Get off your high horses, you pompous sounding ignorant fools are a joke.
 
Your sub 10% tip won't be missed. And you non-tippers would be the first to gripe about food prices being too high if some price increase took place to off set the tipping wage structure.
You are just cheap, flat out....point-blank cheap.
No they wouldn't. You're already paying that all inclusive increase when you eat out after a certain time as many restaurants force a gratuity after 7 and 8 PM which are the times that most people eat at restaurants.

My biggest pet peeve about these discussions is the belief that tips are mandatory when its not. Its something that's to be earned and an incentive to perform better. Also, while we're on the subject of tips, lets talk about how waiters and servers pick and choose who slap a gratuity on based on how they look. Oh yeah, it happens. I've had numerous waiters tell me they do that. You've already approached certain people with the notion that they are beneath you, but are upset when they leave without leaving you a proper tip.
[h1]Restaurant racism revealed as 40% of waiters admit they discriminate against black customers because they 'don't tip well'[/h1]
By Hugo Gye

PUBLISHED: 18:55 EST, 23 April 2012 | UPDATED: 06:29 EST, 24 April 2012


Most people would like to believe that racial discrimination is becoming increasingly rare and unacceptable in mainstream society.

But a new study suggests that African-Americans still face subtle prejudice in at least one area of life - dining out.

A survey of waiters in North Carolina revealed that nearly two-fifths admitted to treating customers differently depending on their race.

And as many as 90 per cent said they had participated in or overheard racially charged conversations among their co-workers.

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Prejudice: African-Americans may be at a disadvantage when they dine out (picture posed by models)

‘Many people believe that race is no longer a significant issue in the United States,’ says Sarah Rusche, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology at NC State and co-author of a paper describing the study.

‘But the fact that a third of servers admit to varying their quality of service based on customers' race, often giving African-Americans inferior service, shows that race continues to be an issue in our society.’

The article, which is published in the Journal of Black Studies, reported the results of a survey of 200 servers at 18 different restaurants in the state.

Many of the waiters questioned said they perceived African-Americans to be less polite than others, while some added that they thought black diners tipped less generously.

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These beliefs led 38.5 per cent of the waiters - a large majority of whom were white - to admit that they adjusted the quality of their service based on the race of their customers.

And 52.8 per cent of those surveyed said they had seen their colleagues discriminate against African-Americans.

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In American restaurants, up to a third of servers will serve customers slower simply because they are African-American

Racial discrimination is even more rife behind the scenes at restaurants, according to the study, as most servers reported hearing or joining in with 'racialised discourse'.

Close to 90 per cent said they had experienced co-workers' gossiping about the race of customers.

Sarah Rusche of North Carolina State University, one of the study's authors, commented: '"Tableside racism" is yet another example in which African-Americans are stereotyped and subsequently treated poorly in everyday situations.

'Race continues to be a significant barrier to equal treatment in restaurants and other areas of social life.'

Internet users had mixed reactions to the controversial findings.

One commenter, who claimed to be a black waiter himself, wrote: 'I am embarrassed at the seemingly deliberate ignorance of African-Americans when it comes to tipping.'

However, another warned against stereotyping an entire race based on pre-conceptions, describing the behaviour depicted in the study as 'the definition of racism'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2134200/Restaurant-racism-revealed-40-waiters-admit-discriminate-black-customers-dont-tip-
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Word!
My mom raised me on her own waiting tables, so i dont give a damn about any excuses- pay for your service or get the EFF out of the place.

Amen to that. If you cheap dudes don't tip, cool keep it moving, but your sitting here degrading hard working people and acting ignorant to a profession you have no experience in.

NOT ONE of you cheap bammas have worked in a restaurant, but yet feel compelled to make ignorant sweeping statements showing your lack of class.

30,000 plus post on NT makes you the man though, F outta here.
 
tipping isn't mandatory. point blank. waiters who feel the need to complain about this really should get another job, as bad as that sounds. :rolleyes

i tip substantially, by the way.
 
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and so then you give them inferior service and ***** at how much they tip, right? Makes sense. And slave, waiter, server; now we're just dealing in semantics and your exaggerations.

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tipping isn't mandatory. point blank. waiters who feel the need to complain about this really should get another job, as bad as that sounds. :rolleyes
i substantially tip, by the way.

That's the same thing the homophobe says to try and prove he isn't a bigot. "I have a gay cousin by the way...." or "I have a black friend by the way....." |I


Reaching, restaurants in my area don't automatically charge tips/gratuity based on the time you dine. I have only seen that on the party size.
 
Dudes nitpicking and avoiding the actual argument now.
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And as per usual, offering no ideas for how it could be resolved. 

I personally wouldn't want my tip included because that will cause the quality of service to go down in some cases...
 
Says the guy who doesnt tip
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have you waited tables? I doubt it, and NO - waiters and waitresses dont make $#*() without tips, so what are you talking about. Learn to cook if you cant afford to eat out. Oh, and if you've waited tables,for the most part (there are surprises, but by and large ) YOU KNOW who is gonna tip and who is gonna treat you like a slave and give you jack$#*() before they even order
Who said I didn't tip? I do tip. I just don't think its mandatory. You're wrong. In 36 of the 50 states, their boss is required by law to bump their pay to minimum wage if their tips do not exceed it. So you know who is going to tip by basing off of stereotypes and prejudices? I already knew you were a racist as you've shown on here throughout the years, but thanks for confirming it just a bit more. Read the article I posted.
Reaching, restaurants in my area don't automatically charge tips/gratuity based on the time you dine. I have only seen that on the party size.
In New York City they do regardless of party size after 8 PM.
That's the same thing the homophobe says to try and prove he isn't a bigot. "I have a gay cousin by the way...." or "I have a black friend by the way....."
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Moron. Making comparisons that have nothing to do with the original argument.
 
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tipping isn't mandatory. point blank. waiters who feel the need to complain about this really should get another job, as bad as that sounds. :rolleyes
i substantially tip, by the way.

That's the same thing the homophobe says to try and prove he isn't a bigot. "I have a gay cousin by the way...." or "I have a black friend by the way....." |I

two completely different arguments.

i am in no way a bigot. i tip based on the quality of service i get, not cause it's socially acceptable or because i think waiters are beneath me.

it's their job, tip or no tip. if anything, the waiter should feel ashamed for trying to justify providing inferior service and spite for lack of tip. it is their job, after all. anything less, then they obviously have no pride and care for what they do, so they should do something else. simple as that.
 
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Who said I didn't tip? I do tip. I just don't think its mandatory. You're wrong. In 36 of the 50 states, their boss is required by law to bump their pay to minimum wage if their tips do not exceed it. So you know who is going to tip by basing off of stereotypes and prejudices? I already knew you were a racist as you've shown on here throughout the years, but thanks for confirming it just a bit more. Read the article I posted.


In New York City they do regardless of party size after 8 PM.


Moron. Making comparisons that have nothing to do with the original argument.

It was relevant to his post. You sitting on here labeling people as racist and this and that, grow up. You obviously have a narrow mind.


Dude tried to add the fact that he "tips substantially" to his statement to give bolster his statement or make it seem non-biased. It was a thinly veiled comment meant to mask the true intention of his post.
 
and what was the intention of my post?

if anything i'm agreeing with the fact that some waiters deserve a tip. in no way is it mandatory, though.

twisting my words like you did shows just what kind of mindset you have, though. arguing just for the sake of arguing. :rolleyes
 
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It was relevant to his post. You sitting on here labeling people as racist and this and that, grow up. You obviously have a narrow mind.
Dude tried to add the fact that he "tips substantially" to his statement to give bolster his statement or make it seem non-biased. It was a thinly veiled comment meant to mask the true intention of his post.
homophobia and racism  being analogous to tipping or not tipping? This type of logic is heartbreaking, I understand your plight...but you go to far!
 
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homophobia and racism  being analogous to tipping or not tipping? This type of logic is heartbreaking, I understand your plight...but you go to far!

Obviously your simple mind couldn't grasp the concept or context of the statement. But proceed though and show your intellectual prowess further, please do

You focus on the vehicle, but don't get the message. Too complex for you I guess.
 
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