OFFICIAL NIKE KOBE 8 SYSTEM THREAD

[thapointguy]

the samples surfaced way before then

yeah like in May 2011, when the first Kobe VII thread was created.

 

[jayzrdead]

 

[chato]

I remember pictures of fakes that had the correct-ish shape came out a few weeks before official detailed pictures.
I remember the prototypes came out some time before, but they changed between then and the final version.

 

[urn0tlike]

That top drawing looks nice. Grinch and inlines dont look good.

 

[airjordan jb23]

Those drawings look pretty nice

 

[jayzrdead]

That top drawing looks nice. Grinch and inlines dont look good.

Those drawings look pretty nice

thanx

 

[istayrockinjs]

Those look nice!

 

[blacklion23]

Those are drawings are really nice! If they were the actual Kobe 8 I'd be all over them.

 

[sk33termcg33]

Nice drawings man. I would love if the 8's resembled these.

 

[ilove6pk]

I'm liking it already

me too, i will cop this for sure

 

[tokes99]

him wearing that shoe probably saved his career. the kobe 6 are extremely low to the ground.. if he was wearing anything with airmax or higher off the ground really, he would have broke it probably.

he was playing right after he rolled it by the way..

i still don't see how a piece of leather is going to prevent someone from rolling their ankle. whoever made that **** up and the sheep that followed are idiots.. seriously. if a body part wants to turn a certain way, a piece of material won't get in the way.

You cannot have it both ways.

You say that you cannot see how a piece of leather is going to prevent someone from rolling their ankle, yet in the same breath suggest that the shoe Kobe is wearing, probably saved his career.

You wear what you are most comfortable playing in.

There is scientific proof that mid to high cut shoes offer some protection to both the foot and ankle, but obviously that depends on the wearer as well. So to suggest the sheep that followed are idiots, doesn't make you look very wise, especially with Bryant's ankle in the pics doing a 180 with nobody touching him nor his foot.

Players like Dr. J had pretty lengthy careers while wearing their shoes extra high, and some had successful ones while wearing lows. The point is to make sure that you're in good enough condition, then remaining in shape, so that you can bounce back quickly from tweaks and turns. Those are the guys who bounce back, coming back into games after injury. It's the dudes who are in shape, it's not the shoes, it's your level of conditioning.

i just want to point out that there are 2 different arguments that were being made in reference to the above argument:

1. as yet, there isn't much you could put on a shoe short of something really stiff & restrictive could prevent a player from rolling their ankle, the best thing anyone can do is tape/wrap their ankles; the thing that higher cut shoes help with is increased proprioception (identifying the orientation of you body(parts) in space)

2. generally speaking the lower a shoe is to the ground the more stable it will be, which was the argument being made; not sure that is exactly true in this case -especially with 'the kobe system" removable midsole...

of course conditioning matters, but i think it the advances of "sneaker technology" have been important and are just overshadowed by the business/marketing of it...

 

[weather]

I have a feeling these are going to be a hit. Just a hunch.

 

[kobeoverbron]

The flyknit esque mesh intrigues for sure. Will cop.

Those pics of Kobe twisting his ankles are being used without complete knowledge.
If you watched the game, you'll see a ton of replay and the landing he had was just
Nasty and out of balance that it wont matter what shoe you're wearing.

High cut? LeBron has rolled his ankles since the first version of the 8 til the elite 9.
These are all... YOU GOT IT! High cut shoes!

Even if you wear knee high boots, you will roll your ankle.

You need to strengthen your ankles, get a shoe with good heel lockdown and
Low to the ground. It's simple physics, if you're higher off the ground, there is more
Force to the swing of your rolling ankle and more ground to break.
I don't see how this is hard to comprehend.

 

[longstroke]

The flyknit esque mesh intrigues for sure. Will cop.
Those pics of Kobe twisting his ankles are being used without complete knowledge.
If you watched the game, you'll see a ton of replay and the landing he had was just
Nasty and out of balance that it wont matter what shoe you're wearing.
High cut? LeBron has rolled his ankles since the first version of the 8 til the elite 9.
These are all... YOU GOT IT! High cut shoes!
Even if you wear knee high boots, you will roll your ankle.
You need to strengthen your ankles, get a shoe with good heel lockdown and
Low to the ground. It's simple physics, if you're higher off the ground, there is more
Force to the swing of your rolling ankle and more ground to break.
I don't see how this is hard to comprehend.

What you've just shown, is that you have no clue as to what you are talking about. The pics were used to disprove the notion that wearing a low cut shoe was better for the athlete. Many of you would not have dared to wear a low cut shoe to play ball in, prior to Kobe Bryant doing it. But just because Kobe does it, does not mean that YOU are supposed to do it.

Now let's talk about congenital issues. If you are predisposed to ankle injuries, then it's only smart to wear a higher cut shoe in order to help protect yourself, even if the result of that effort will only achieve a psychological advantage. Sports conditioning does improve the stability and strength of the ankle joint, as was stated in my earlier retort. But a shoe that allows the foot to remain neutral during supination, pronation, inversion and eversion, flexion and extention, hi, mid or low cut, will give the foot and ankle the best chance to remain heathy during competition, in any sport.

Perhaps you may need to rethink your complete knowledge, before questioning that of someone else.

 

[Bert.]

i want a finished product now!!! either these look awesome or im going all in and buy 2 pairs of V's with the money i would have spent on these

 

[shortyc94]

They Should've Left The Swoosh The Same As The Samples. Nike Doesn't Take The Chances They Used To Back In The Day To Make Them The Great Shoe Company They Once Were.

 

[Methodical Management]

Personally, I have no stake in this hightop/lowtop debate myself, but I do find it interesting that people are crediting, as means of revisionist history, Kobe Bryant with popularizing the resurgence of lowtops.

We've been around awhile, so even though I haven't bought any Nike or Adidas sneakers in nearly a half-decade, I certainly keep pace with sports and have kept track of the sneaker world. 

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Gilbert Arenas was wearing lowtops - and Adidas promoted the trend - years before Kobe Bryant and Nike decided to run with it:  http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-04-02/it-must-be-shoes

I get that people are fans of certain brands and that's their choice (even though none of those brands are loyal to you), but let's give credit - and criticism - where it's due.  

 

[Bert.]

Personally, I have no stake in this hightop/lowtop debate myself, but I do find it interesting that people are crediting, as means of revisionist history, Kobe Bryant with popularizing the resurgence of lowtops.

We've been around awhile, so even though I haven't bought any Nike or Adidas sneakers in nearly a half-decade, I certainly keep pace with sports and have kept track of the sneaker world. 

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Gilbert Arenas was wearing lowtops - and Adidas promoted the trend - years before Kobe Bryant and Nike decided to run with it:  http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-04-02/it-must-be-shoes


I get that people are fans of certain brands and that's their choice (even though none of those brands are loyal to you), but let's give credit - and criticism - where it's due.  

we've had this argument many times in all the other Kobe sig threads since the IV's

a lot of people know thats all Gil rocked in his prime was lows and his sigs were all lows. Its because its adidas why its not known or no one cares. Had he had a sig with Nike then it would be a different story

 

[Magic33]

Personally, I have no stake in this hightop/lowtop debate myself, but I do find it interesting that people are crediting, as means of revisionist history, Kobe Bryant with popularizing the resurgence of lowtops.

We've been around awhile, so even though I haven't bought any Nike or Adidas sneakers in nearly a half-decade, I certainly keep pace with sports and have kept track of the sneaker world. 

Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Gilbert Arenas was wearing lowtops - and Adidas promoted the trend - years before Kobe Bryant and Nike decided to run with it:  http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-04-02/it-must-be-shoes


I get that people are fans of certain brands and that's their choice (even though none of those brands are loyal to you), but let's give credit - and criticism - where it's due.  

Don't forget Steve Nash, Derek Anderson, and Mike Bibby have all been popular low top wearers, to the point JB made special low top PE's for Anderson and Bibby

 

[AIR J XIII]

I dont think we should credit anyone for anything, there have always been players that have worn lows, regardless of popular opinion. In addition to some players already named, MJ wore AJII lows in 87-88, XI lows, XIII lows and XVII lows, and remember Kobe wore VI and XVII lows in 02-03

 

[supergoblin]

There is a long history of players wearing lows. The big O did most of the time, Chucks and Adidas. Even Russell did.

 

[Methodical Management]

we've had this argument many times in all the other Kobe sig threads since the IV's 

a lot of people know thats all Gil rocked in his prime was lows and his sigs were all lows.

Let me be clearer then.  

"Coach Hubie" aka "longstroke" knows full well that he was on NikeTalk during the Gilbert Arenas era at Adidas and I can't recall a single instance in which he criticized Gil or Adidas for releasing a lowtop signature line.  Are all Adidas fans sheep? 

It's fine to have the "safety" discussion, as athletes have every right to be concerned with their health, but let's just be honest about it.  I literally could not care less that "Coach Hubie" hates Nike, but he could at least have the courage to admit why and stop inventing excuses.  If he were honest, sincere, and respectful nobody would really mind the critiques, much less complain about his brand preferences.  Unfortunately, that's not the case and he just wants to bait people into the same tired arguments for reasons he'll never disclose.  

I'm sure we'll see Mitt Romney's tax returns long before we ever learn the shameful truth behind Hubie's grudge.

Carry on if you want, as there actually is a legitimate discussion to be had there, but understand that "longstroke" doesn't really care about lowtops vs. hightops.  It's just about Nike and Kobe Bryant with him. 

 

[longstroke]

Let me be clearer then.  

"Coach Hubie" aka "longstroke" knows full well that he was on NikeTalk during the Gilbert Arenas era at Adidas and I can't recall a single instance in which he criticized Gil or Adidas for releasing a lowtop signature line.  Are all Adidas fans sheep? 

It's fine to have the "safety" discussion, as athletes have every right to be concerned with their health, but let's just be honest about it.  I literally could not care less that "Coach Hubie" hates Nike, but he could at least have the courage to admit why and stop inventing excuses.  If he were honest, sincere, and respectful nobody would really mind the critiques, much less complain about his brand preferences.  Unfortunately, that's not the case and he just wants to bait people into the same tired arguments for reasons he'll never disclose.  

I'm sure we'll see Mitt Romney's tax returns long before we ever learn the shameful truth behind Hubie's grudge.

Carry on if you want, as there actually is a legitimate discussion to be had there, but understand that "longstroke" doesn't really care about lowtops vs. hightops.  It's just about Nike and Kobe Bryant with him. 

I have no clue as to what you are talking about, but I've done nothing but to give physiological reasoning as to why lows are no better than mids nor highs. The only comment I made against this shoe in particular, was that it had better not be more than one hundred seventy five dollars, as they will indeed sit. My suggesting that Kobe influenced many fans of Nike to wear lows, was not discounting Gil's initial foray. I am saying that since it is a Nike shoe, then sponsored by Kobe, that many found it okay to now wear lows, when others have been doing it all along.

Perrhaps if you read the comments, you then would realize your mishap.

 

[Bert.]

why do people associate ankle injuries with lows? ive had way more injuries in mids than lows. actually ive never gotten hurt in lows and i play ball even more and go harder than ever before

i cannot go back to mids. yes i got lows because of the Kobe line but ive only bought Nike, i did try to buy the Gilbert arenas sigs but didnt want to pay too much for them since they were adidas obviously i never got them

 

[Methodical Management]

I have no clue as to what you are talking about, but I've done nothing but to give physiological reasoning as to why lows are no better than mids nor highs. The only comment I made against this shoe in particular, was that it had better not be more than one hundred seventy five dollars, as they will indeed sit. My suggesting that Kobe influenced many fans of Nike to wear lows, was not discounting Gil's initial foray. I am saying that since it is a Nike shoe, then sponsored by Kobe, that many found it okay to now wear lows, when others have been doing it all along.

Perrhaps if you read the comments, you then would realize your mishap.

Let's see if we can clear up your misunderstanding. 

You've never criticized Gilbert Arenas or Adidas for doing the same thing that you're now taking Kobe Bryant and Nike to task for.

While Nike's released lowtop versions of popular shoes for years (including Air Jordans), they obviously weren't the first to sell lowtop basketball shoes.  The only thing "special" in this case is that you're dealing with a signature model that is, by default, a lowtop.  Again, Gilbert Arenas did that before Kobe Bryant.  Back then, you didn't utter so much as a peep of criticism. 

If your gripe is that Kobe's "influenced many fans to wear lows," what of Gilbert Arenas - who arguably influenced Kobe Bryant to do the same?  

It's insincere.  If your primary motive in all this were simply to make people aware of the "evidence" about lowtops, you'd have done so when Gilbert Arenas was literally wearing running shoes on the court.  You didn't and the reason for that is obvious.  

I think users deserve to know that NobleKane works for Nike and that you have a grudge AGAINST Nike (and, not coincidentally, NobleKane), so that readers can treat your respective rants/tangents accordingly.  Your opinions (and I include him in this statement as well) are motivated less by facts than the circumstances of your lives and are presented not in service to the public but in service to your own private agendas.