2013 College Football Thread (Realer than Real Deal Holyfield -->S/O Craftsy)

[theswagofsweetjones]

When I graduated my grandparents wanted to buy me a laptop for school, but had no idea which one to buy or how to even buy something online so they just asked how much I needed and gave me $2400 cash (I did architecture so I needed a good computer).

First thing I did was go up to my room and take pictures of that $$$ and just admire it.

So as stupid as it looks to me now, I can see why they're doing it if its grant money or w/e.

Stuntin

 

[fear the ibis]

Negtive. You get paid when you have a job. Going to school for free and playing football is not a job.

"You get paid when you have a job" .....but if they were to get a Job in school while playing football on a athletic scholarship, what would happen?

Nothing. They are allowed to have a job. They just don't have time for one. Remember Maurice Clarrett working at the car dealership and getting paid without even showing up for work? Hell Ed Reed worked at Blockbuster while he played at UM.

Most of these kids come from low-income families, so they're going to get at least 15-20k a year off grants alone. And that's with their tuition already being paid in full and getting a stipend as a part of their athletic scholarship.

So what do they need a paycheck for? And why? And who determines who gets paid what? Do SEC players get to make more money than Conference USA players? Does Johnny Manziel get paid the same amount as the 2nd string punter?

Not to mention, who's going to pay them? Outside of the Bama, USC, UGA, etc type schools none of these other schools are making ridiculous profits like they are. Where is Utah State gonna find the money to pay its players?




Everybody says "The players should/need to get paid". But nobody ever has an explanation for how that's going to work. The .01% of elite players in college generating revenue for their schools does not justify the other 99.9% of players that don't deserving to be paid.

 

[nako xl]

You know you hqve to fill out financial aid forms ? If you qualify you get pell grants and everything onvtop of yoir grant in aid schollies.

Exactly...clown trying to infer its "sallie Mae" money

I see what you did but I'm not going to spoil the thread

And some of y'all don't understand the type of commitment these kids have when they play in school....they have no life outside of school and football...no way they can work a job...

whoa whoa i said "sallie mae" in regards to it being school/government aid money.  i just said sallie mae cuz it was the first words that came to my mind when i was typing.

save that hostility for your team after they open the season 3-3.

 

[rell826]

I thought you meant Sallie Mae as in people balling out with their refund checks.

 

[CP1708]

Negtive. You get paid when you have a job. Going to school for free and playing football is not a job.

"You get paid when you have a job" .....but if they were to get a Job in school while playing football on a athletic scholarship, what would happen?

Nothing. They are allowed to have a job. They just don't have time for one. Remember Maurice Clarrett working at the car dealership and getting paid without even showing up for work? Hell Ed Reed worked at Blockbuster while he played at UM.

Most of these kids come from low-income families, so they're going to get at least 15-20k a year off grants alone. And that's with their tuition already being paid in full and getting a stipend as a part of their athletic scholarship.

So what do they need a paycheck for? And why? And who determines who gets paid what? Do SEC players get to make more money than Conference USA players? Does Johnny Manziel get paid the same amount as the 2nd string punter?

Not to mention, who's going to pay them? Outside of the Bama, USC, UGA, etc type schools none of these other schools are making ridiculous profits like they are. Where is Utah State gonna find the money to pay its players?




Everybody says "The players should/need to get paid". But nobody ever has an explanation for how that's going to work. The .01% of elite players in college generating revenue for their schools does not justify the other 99.9% of players that don't deserving to be paid.

Man, the NCAA is a gillion dollar business, stop acting like they hurting for money. What you talkin about with Bama, SC and then Utah State is no different than pro level markets like LA/NY vs the Milwaukee's or the Charlottes of the world.

I don't care if someone else wore a number, if someone in Florida is wearin a Gator #15, you know, I know, he knows, everybody knows who that reps. Don't make any sense to down play it.

The AD's, departments, etc make TONS of money, while kids "struggle to buy a candy bar" while their jersey sells for 75 bucks a pop. (C-Webb)

Hell yes the SEC should pay more than Conference USA, what kind of question is that? Nike doesn't charge more for their product than New Balance? Pepsi the same price as Safeway Select?

 

[39478]

Man, the NCAA is a gillion dollar business, stop acting like they hurting for money. What you talkin about with Bama, SC and then Utah State is no different than pro level markets like LA/NY vs the Milwaukee's or the Charlottes of the world.

I don't care if someone else wore a number, if someone in Florida is wearin a Gator #15, you know, I know, he knows, everybody knows who that reps. Don't make any sense to down play it.

The AD's, departments, etc make TONS of money, while kids "struggle to buy a candy bar" while their jersey sells for 75 bucks a pop. (C-Webb)

Hell yes the SEC should pay more than Conference USA, what kind of question is that? Nike doesn't charge more for their product than New Balance? Pepsi the same price as Safeway Select?

Shasta tho

 

[rell826]

Ohio State announced that Gordon Gee will get a 5.8 million retirement package. Crazy.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Now we're putting the value on where you play not on the degree but how much you'll make playing for football factory schools? Completely making 'student-athletes' a worthless term?

That's a terrible idea.

 

[rell826]

All programs aren't created equal.

 

[sorkoram]

Ohio State announced that Gordon Gee will get a 5.8 million retirement package. Crazy.

For as much money as he's raised for the university, well worth it.

 

[fear the ibis]

Negtive. You get paid when you have a job. Going to school for free and playing football is not a job.

"You get paid when you have a job" .....but if they were to get a Job in school while playing football on a athletic scholarship, what would happen?

Nothing. They are allowed to have a job. They just don't have time for one. Remember Maurice Clarrett working at the car dealership and getting paid without even showing up for work? Hell Ed Reed worked at Blockbuster while he played at UM.

Most of these kids come from low-income families, so they're going to get at least 15-20k a year off grants alone. And that's with their tuition already being paid in full and getting a stipend as a part of their athletic scholarship.

So what do they need a paycheck for? And why? And who determines who gets paid what? Do SEC players get to make more money than Conference USA players? Does Johnny Manziel get paid the same amount as the 2nd string punter?

Not to mention, who's going to pay them? Outside of the Bama, USC, UGA, etc type schools none of these other schools are making ridiculous profits like they are. Where is Utah State gonna find the money to pay its players?




Everybody says "The players should/need to get paid". But nobody ever has an explanation for how that's going to work. The .01% of elite players in college generating revenue for their schools does not justify the other 99.9% of players that don't deserving to be paid.

Man, the NCAA is a gillion dollar business, stop acting like they hurting for money. What you talkin about with Bama, SC and then Utah State is no different than pro level markets like LA/NY vs the Milwaukee's or the Charlottes of the world.

Do your research and don't assume. All of these schools are not rolling in dough like you think they are.

in 2012, Only 23 college football teams generated enough revenue just to even break even. TWENTY THREE.


There's 120 d1 football teams and only 23 of them make enough money to just break even. So again, where are the other 97 programs supposed to get the money to pay their players?


If schools have to pay their athletes, then they are going to hike tuition prices. So now you have regular, non student athletes paying higher tuition just so the athletes can get paid? Nah F that

 

[cash money 1999]

Do your research and don't assume. All of these schools are not rolling in dough like you think they are.

in 2012, Only 23 college football teams generated enough revenue just to even break even. TWENTY THREE.


There's 120 d1 football teams and only 23 of them make enough money to just break even. So again, where are the other 97 programs supposed to get the money to pay their players?

yup and in 2010 it was 22

and alot of you need to stop d-riding damn teenagers

get your money the old fashion way and if you get caught so be it

 

[nako xl]

You know you hqve to fill out financial aid forms ? If you qualify you get pell grants and everything onvtop of yoir grant in aid schollies.

Exactly...clown trying to infer its "sallie Mae" money

I see what you did but I'm not going to spoil the thread

And some of y'all don't understand the type of commitment these kids have when they play in school....they have no life outside of school and football...no way they can work a job...

whoa whoa i said "sallie mae" in regards to it being school/government aid money.  i just said sallie mae cuz it was the first words that came to my mind when i was typing.

save that hostility for your team after they open the season 3-3.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

a pell grant refund and a sallie mae refund is two totally different things....ya know cause one you kinda gotta pay off w/ rape interest rates and the other you don't have to pay a ******g dime back

get off these 18 year old kids *****

*****. i was on their side.  get your cranky *** outta here.

 

[nako xl]

Now we're putting the value on where you play not on the degree but how much you'll make playing for football factory schools? Completely making 'student-athletes' a worthless term?

That's a terrible idea.

most of them are not really student athletes though.  they're minor league athletes who are enrolled in a school.

Fear The Ibis would Ohio State be better off monetarily with or without their football program?  serious question.  All the schools that barely break even, how would their athletic departments do without football and basketball money?

Would the coaches be millionaires?

 

[rell826]

I disagree. He should have been fired and not allowed to weasel his way into retirement. That wasn't the first time he's made slick comments so he has a history. You get the axe elsewhere. I'm sure the taxpayer will be glad to pay for his golden parachute.

 

[CP1708]

23 schools made money, how much the NCAA/Conferences make? ESPN/ABC pays those billions in TV revenue to somebody.

 

[cash money 1999]

gators vs south carolina 2006 on css

DA BIRTH OF THE TIM TEBOW

 

[fear the ibis]

23 schools made money, how much the NCAA/Conferences make? ESPN/ABC pays those billions in TV revenue to somebody.

Those billion dollar deals are over a period of like a decade.

A majority of the money the NCAA makes, it distributes back to schools. Stop letting the media fool you into thinking that the NCAA is run like Wall Street and there are a bunch of execs just getting filthy rich on the backs of student athletes who are being treated like mules. Its just not true. Perception isn't always reality.

According to an NCAA budget released Feb. 15, the Indianapolis-based group expected to rake in $757 million through TV and marketing rights fees, championship revenue and other services.

Nearly 60 percent of the NCAA's revenue will be distributed directly to its Division I members, according to its budget, with approximately $120 million earmarked for grants-in-aid and another $60 million for student assistance.

The NCAA says 96 percent of its annual revenue is returned to its member schools either in direct payments or in programs and services.

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Nearly 60 percent of NCAA president Mark Emmert's 2010-11 operating budget revenue will be distributed directly to its Division I members.
According to the NCAA, it spends $30.6 million -- about 4 percent of its entire budget -- on administrative expenses and staff salaries.

"There's confusion about that because the numbers look big and people see a football stadium with 105,000 people in at Michigan or somewhere and do the math in their head and say, 'Well, this is all about money,'" Emmert said while speaking at Winthrop University in January. "We've got to bring attention to that so they know we're the conduit from how the money flows."

And a lot of money flows out of the NCAA. It distributes money to its members each year through six primary allocations:

• Academic enhancement: The NCAA sends about $22.4 million to its members for enhancement of academic-support programs for Division I athletes. A payment of $66,000 is sent to each Division I institution in early June. In 2009-10, the NCAA distributed more than $1 million to Big East schools and more than $770,000 to SEC schools to help pay for academic support personnel and improve academic facilities.

• Basketball fund: The NCAA expected to distribute $180.5 million to its Division I members that participated in the men's basketball tournament. The payments are determined by each school's performance in the tournament over a rolling six-year period.

In April 2010, the NCAA signed a 14-year, $10.8 billion contract with CBS and Turner Sports to televise the men's tournament. The NCAA expects more than $740 million to be distributed to its members annually through 2024.

One unit -- or a payment of $239,664 -- will be paid to each school participating in each game, except for the championship game. The payments are sent to the conferences, which distribute the money among their schools, or independent institutions in mid-April.

After the 2010 men's tournament, the Big East was paid more than $23 million and the ACC received more than $18 million.

• Conference grants: The NCAA distributed more than $8 million through conference grants, which are to be used to enhance officiating programs, compliance and enforcement, diversity, and drug and gambling education. Each conference received a payment of $251,097 in 2009-10.

• Grants-in-aid: The NCAA distributes more than $111 million to its Division I schools based on the number of scholarships a school awarded the previous school year. According to the NCAA, a school that awarded 80.48 scholarships received $30,006; a school that awarded 164.89 scholarships received $256,304; and a school that awarded 242.44 scholarships received $675,725.

In 2009-10, the Big Ten received more than $11 million from the NCAA to supplement its members' scholarships, and the SEC received more than $8 million.

• Sports sponsorships: The NCAA allocated more than $55 million to its Division I schools based on the number of varsity sports each school sponsored. Under NCAA guidelines, a member institution received a unit -- approximately $30,091 per sport -- for each sport beginning with the 14th sport.

A school that sponsored 16 sports received $90,274, and a school that sponsored 24 sports received $331,004. In 2009-10, the Ivy League received the biggest check, for more than $4.3 million. The Big Ten was paid more than $3.8 million, and the ACC received $3.2 million.

• Student assistance fund: The NCAA spends nearly $40 million for special assistance and student-athlete opportunity funds, which are designed to assist student-athletes who have exhausted their NCAA eligibility or are no longer able to participate in sports because of medical reasons.

 

[10508 cardo jr ln]

Johnny's cool in my book.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Now we're putting the value on where you play not on the degree but how much you'll make playing for football factory schools? Completely making 'student-athletes' a worthless term?


That's a terrible idea.

most of them are not really student athletes though.  they're minor league athletes who are enrolled in a school.

Fear The Ibis would Ohio State be better off monetarily with or without their football program?  serious question.  All the schools that barely break even, how would their athletic departments do without football and basketball money?

Would the coaches be millionaires?

I strongly disagree with the idea of treating student-athletes like minor league athletes. How many of them not only are able to make it into the NFL but stay and have a solid, if not great, career? It would be a terrible development for the system to treat collegiate athletes as if they were all preparing for a sports career when only a fraction of them make it.

Should there be better compensation? Should these universities be providing much more for the athletes who bring millions to them? Yes, absolutely. But let's not pretend that college is merely a stopgap, a place for athletes to continue growing and get older so they're ready to enter the NFL or whatever professional league their sport belongs to. The hype that these power conferences have created through ESPN and other places has made people myopic concerning the thousands of other athletes who have careers outside of sports. It's the college degree that these students earn which will carry them in life, not some small percentage chance of having a long, impactful sports career.

 

[100027]

Honestly while I feel for the unfairness of the system. I think it truly perverts the purpose of an academic institution to be paying players and using them to run professional sports programs, etc. Just as bad is what it is now, with these sleaze ball coaches making millions of dollars for yelling at teenagers. The entire system really needs to return to a truly amateur game.

What it is now- unpaid semi-pro is bad.
What would be- paid semi-pro is also bad.

 

[cash money 1999]

i dont think they should get paid but i never understood why

they cant accept endorsements , pepsi,gatorade,t-mobile etc

if you're a standout player who has a brand you should be able

to make you're money on the side

 

[renegade34474]

Nothing. They are allowed to have a job. They just don't have time for one. Remember Maurice Clarrett working at the car dealership and getting paid without even showing up for work? Hell Ed Reed worked at Blockbuster while he played at UM.

Most of these kids come from low-income families, so they're going to get at least 15-20k a year off grants alone. And that's with their tuition already being paid in full and getting a stipend as a part of their athletic scholarship.

So what do they need a paycheck for? And why? And who determines who gets paid what? Do SEC players get to make more money than Conference USA players? Does Johnny Manziel get paid the same amount as the 2nd string punter?

Not to mention, who's going to pay them? Outside of the Bama, USC, UGA, etc type schools none of these other schools are making ridiculous profits like they are. Where is Utah State gonna find the money to pay its players?




Everybody says "The players should/need to get paid". But nobody ever has an explanation for how that's going to work. The .01% of elite players in college generating revenue for their schools does not justify the other 99.9% of players that don't deserving to be paid.

Please show me ANYWHERE a kid gets 20k in grants...

*Cris Carter* "Come 'awn man"

 

[AZwildcats]

I highly doubt giving these players a couple grand a month is gonna bankrupt the school. Especially a school like Alabama or USC.

 

[fear the ibis]

Snap judgment: People need to realize that players do get paid
October 27, 2011 | by Collin Carroll, regular columnist
College football players have been walking with a spring in their step since Monday, when NCAA president Mark Emmert supported a proposal that would increase student-athlete grants by as much as $2,000 annually.

An advocacy group known as the National College Players Association gathered a petition of 339 athletes in support of a plan which would more accurately reimburse players for the full price tag of attending college.

So here’s my question: In a world that begs for a cure to the plague of boosters and agents, will this proposal be the messiah?

Let me answer by saying Nevin Shapiro won’t be the last spray-tanned tycoon with a hair gel addiction to host a yacht party for college football players.

The proposal wasn’t intended to cure the problem of illegal benefits, though it would be comical if that were the case. Bless Emmert’s heart for attempting to compensate the talent for bringing millions of dollars to schools, TV networks and the NCAA. If athletes choose to turn down tens of thousands of dollars in booster money, it won’t be because they’ve been greased with a couple extra G’s from their university.

I’m a little weary of this new plan. Giving players some extra cash is a nice thought, but it could compound the sense of entitlement so rampant in college football, which could ultimately lead to the acceptance of illegal benefits that will actually make a difference in their lives. If you give a mouse a cookie...

With regards to a solution to the booster and agent problem, I subscribe to Sandra Bullock’s doctrine in “Miss Congeniality.” An undercover FBI agent, Bullock is competing in a beauty pageant interview when host William Shatner asks, “What is the one most important thing our society needs?” While every other contestant drones, “world peace,” Bullock prescribes, “harsher punishment for parole violators.”

The NCAA officials have done a great job of cracking down on universities and players for the illegal flow of benefits — reducing scholarships, vacating wins, post-season bans, etc. Still, I wouldn’t mind seeing them administer the “death penalty” in extreme cases — schools need to understand the weight of this issue.

I can’t stand when people say, “You know what? This is ridiculous. Schools should just pay college football players.”

Would schools offer contracts worth tens of thousands of dollars to a kid who’s never played a down of college football? Recruiting would become a nightmare. Would every kid get the same contract? If not, players would whine, become jealous, and the game would completely lose its innocence.

Title IX activists would have a cow. Enough said.

College football is supposed to represent the reason we first started playing the game — because we love it. America is only big enough for one professional football league filled with egotistical dollar-chasers.

Most importantly, if schools start paying players, we’re letting the crooks win. Shapiro, Terrelle Pryor, Reggie Bush and even Sherwood Blount (the booster behind Southern Methodist University scandal in the ‘80s) get precisely what they wanted all along — amateur athletes living prodigal lifestyles.

What about families who can’t afford necessities not covered by current scholarships, such as car insurance, gas money and a cell phone bill? Students who hail from difficult financial situations qualify for a Pell Grant, valued up to $2,775 per semester, which covers any additional living expenses.

Why do college athletes accept illegal benefits? Is it to provide for their families? I’d like to think so, but the problem runs much deeper than players’ pockets. It’s a lack of respect for the integrity of college football.

Giving players more money won’t solve the insubordination. We already have more money than we know what to do with.

Scholarship football players received a check for $4,143 at the beginning of the season to cover room and board for the semester. Add to that a training camp check for $150, a Thanksgiving check for $150, a $400 meal enhancement check, $600 at the bowl game, and $15 in spending money after every home game. You’re looking at $5,533 in cash during the fall semester — not including the possibility of qualifying for a $2,775 Pell Grant.

Football players need to eat, and universities are well aware. We are provided three meals and a snack per day during our almost three-week training camp, totaling $585 per player. Training table,
eaten after three practices per week, is valued at $531 per player for the semester. Between catered meals and snacks on road trips, each player receives about $482 in food during the season.

NCAA bylaw 16.5.2.h states, “An institution may provide fruit, nuts and bagels to a student-athlete at any time.” Therefore, we are each given roughly $285 in such snacks. After each weight-lifting session, we receive two protein shakes, which yield a season total of $400.

During our week of training at our bowl destination, we eat an additional three meals and a snack per day, on the house — a total of $211 for the week.

There are a few other benefits that come with the territory — many of which we never see a price tag. Our textbooks are free, and valued at a conservative $400 per semester. Between hats, shirts, sweatshirts, jumpsuits and shoes, Tech gives us approximately $270 in free clothing during the season.
Freshmen receive a free laptop valued at $1,000, which can be prorated to $100 per semester.

The money adds up fast, especially during bowl season. The Orange Bowl gives players a $300 electronic gift suite, from which to choose any combination of electronics, so long as the total doesn’t exceed the given amount. Players also receive $200 in clothing and luggage. I’m not even including the bowl ring, travel reimbursement to and from the bowl, or the cost of lodging in a four-star hotel.

When we finish playing football, we leave with a degree from Tech — valued at $5,254 per semester for in-state tuition. Tutors are at our disposal and paid for by the athletic department.

In one semester, the benefits total $14,551 per player.

The NCAA limits the work week to 19 hours for student-athletes, which includes practice, meetings and weight-lifting. Over a 20-week season, we put in a total of 380 hours, at an hourly wage of $38.29.

While I understand we don’t have the luxury of allocating that $14,551 however we’d like, what else would we spend it on, other than food, clothes, toys and tuition? Even when we look solely at the cash, we’re in abundance.

A nice apartment in Blacksburg will cost roughly $450 per month, or $2,250 per semester. Purchase a Mega Flex meal plan for $1,459, and your meals are covered. With $5,533 in cash during the fall, this leaves athletes with $1,824 in extra spending money per semester, $364 per month, $81 per week or $12 per day. If someone can’t survive on $12 per day, when food and rent are taken care of, I question the admission process.

Let’s compare this figure to the proposed plan, which would give athletes an additional $1,000 per semester. Players would instead have $2,824 after room and board are paid, $564 per month, $125 per week, or $18 per day.

The money has to come from somewhere.

ESPN’s new contract with the ACC is worth $1.86 billion over 12 years — roughly $12.9 million annually per school. According to an article on Forbes.com, Tech’s athletic department cleared over $14.8 million in profit during the 2009-2010 academic year. However, that figure reflected the profit with the old ESPN contract, worth only $5.5 million.

When an ACC school receives a bid to play in a Bowl Championship Series game, the conference receives roughly $18 million — which is then divided up evenly across all 12 members.

Don’t forget about the merchandise — Tech sells player jerseys for $60 a pop in the bookstore.

What happens with all that leftover cash?

Some of it is reinvested in the football program. Our new $18 million locker room facility and pending $25 million indoor practice facility are prime examples. Who benefits from those?

The remaining cash doesn’t last long at a school where baseball, cross country, golf, lacrosse, men’s and women’s soccer, softball, swimming and diving, men’s and women’s tennis, track and field, volleyball and wrestling don’t generate any revenue. Athletic department faculty and coaches’ salaries, travel expenses, equipment costs and tuition scholarships for these sports are funded by football revenue.

That’s not to say these sports don’t deserve the funding. What would Sunday afternoons in Blacksburg be like without Kelly Conheeney scoring the game-winning goal to beat the eighth-ranked women’s soccer team in the country?

At the end of the day, there simply isn’t enough money to justify paying players anything outside of a scholarship. Even if there was enough dough, the compensation currently received by athletes is more than generous. At some point, we need to accept the fact that we’re in college, and we’re supposed to learn how to stretch a dollar.

Next time someone says to you, “college football players should be paid,” you can respond, “they are.”