Doctors are the #1 Cause of Death in the United States

I'm still geeking off how this dude got a UTI (very rare in young men 
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) and has the AUDACITY to claim that he feels like doctors are trying to kill him. 
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Like I keep saying. You don't have to take the medicine bro. Its either that or your rosary beads because as of 8/28/2012, there isn't much else you can do. 
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FutureMD said:
Sounds like its your sick grandfather's fault.

Not living healthy isn't the doctors fault. :rofl:

Doctors don't GIVE you diabetes, or arthritis. :rofl:
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It isn't funny, but somewhat true....how is the doctor responsible for your gramps having diabetes and arthritis?....all the Doctor can do is help gramps treat the diseases....c'mon man.
 
ksteezy said:
It isn't funny, but somewhat true....how is the doctor responsible for your gramps having diabetes and arthritis?....all the Doctor can do is help gramps treat the diseases....c'mon man.
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It's not like genetics plays any role in the development of diabetes either. 1/9942674946 cases of diabetes are a direct result of physician malfeasance. It's statistics. I'm sure you're grandfather was that one case.
 
If medical doctors knew a 1/10th of what Dr. Mercola knows in regards to nutrition and exercise you wouldn't see so many people obese, have diabetes, heart disease, people on meds, ect. Unfortunately, medical students take an hour course on the subject. Not their fault, it's the fault of the AMA's monopoly.



He's implying that all adverse drug reactions are avoidable and caused by improper prescribing practices.
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I see this all the time in my practice. Numerous of my patients and during my eval I ask them how many medications they take, sometimes it is more than 8! If a pt over the age of 65 is taking more than 3 they are already indicated for risk of fall. So who's fault is it that a pt is taking 8 different meds? Is it the pts fault or the MDs (who is trained in medicine) fault for not asking what medications they are taking upon eval? I'll ask "So, did any of you doctors ask you what other Rxs you are taking?" "No, they didn't", so many times I've heard this.

Also, don't take this so personal. If a pt is taking more than 3 meds, then they are a risk of fall. If that is the case, if they fall and Fx a hip and die, it will be numbered in that category.


The article also causes the reader to infer that every occurrence whether harmful or successful is solely the physician's fault.
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I don't get that at all. I get the implication that he wants pts to be SELF advocated and ask questions instead of looking at the White Coat as some sort of moral authority.



There are numerous players in healthcare but few actually shoulder the liability.
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Also very true. Sometimes RNs make mistakes, either by self or not being able to read the MD orders. Sometimes it will be the LPN or the CNA is having issues as well. But, the treating MD is the one responsible for the pt.


Dude is good at this hand-waving medical terminology
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Like what terminology? Fructose? Please. What other words in that article would be hard for an average America? :lol:
 
I was gonna type out a lengthy response but I see this thread is mostly trolling

Yes doctors make mistakes and yes medicines can have adverse effects.

Cancer treatment, whether it be chemo, radiation, or surgery can have really adverse effects.

The logic perpetuated by several posters in this thread implies that since cancer treatment can have bad effects it's better just to let the cancer run wild unchecked rather than risk a side effect. It's ridiculous

And the thread title is unnecessarily provocative and innaccurate
 
Yeah... I'm sure i'd prefer to live 100 years ago.

Ya'll remind me of dudes who are like "well since you can't cure AIDS yet, then the government is using it to suppress the population of black people!" 
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...MEANWHILE ignoring the advances in things like anti-retrovirals and therapies that decades ago have enabled people to make AIDS a manageable disease. 

I'm sure Pig Love would have avoided CONSUMPTION a few generations back. 
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I'm not saying polyPharmacy is a non issue. It's definitely a huge concern. But not all adverse reactions to medications are avoidable. Hell I cause hypotension every day giving patients propofol. What's the alternative? Awake intubations on everyone? Undocumented allergies are encountered all the time. Adverse reaction? Absolutely but no one was at fault there either. I do t know what kind of doctor you are but a cut off of 3 medications seems ridiculous. What if more than that are medically indicated? I see patients everyday who are maxed out on 5 anti hypertensives. What do you do? Stop 2 and hope the patient doesn't kill his kidneys or stroke out? Come on
 
A big part of the issue with poly pharmacy is that lots of patients are receiving scripts from numerous providers. As a specialist my job would be to treat the isse for which the patient was referred to me. It's the pcp's role to coordinate care among all the patients specialists and the pharmacists role to minimize interactions. What ends up happening is that patients very often don't utilize their pcp correctly an only see them once a year if that and get their meds from various Pharmacies.
 
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ilovedher said:
FutureMD said:
You clearly don't know what statistics mean then when they work in your favor.

But you know better. Have fun with that UTI. 
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this is like playing russian roulette with a pill
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You play Russian roulette with a revolver, so it's usually a 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 chance. Slightly different odds compared to 1 in 100,000
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Dammit man. 

Either enjoy your UTI or take the medicine. 
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FutureMD said:
Dammit man. 

Either enjoy your UTI or take the medicine. :lol:  Gah-lee 
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I don't usually agree with putty but jeez has your tendon ruptured? It's not even about the doctors intention anymore with you. Everything has risks and you probably know that so I have firm belief you're trolling now
 
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I'm not saying polyPharmacy is a non issue. It's definitely a huge concern. But not all adverse reactions to medications are avoidable. Hell I cause hypotension every day giving patients propofol. What's the alternative? Awake intubations on everyone? Undocumented allergies are encountered all the time. Adverse reaction? Absolutely but no one was at fault there either. I do t know what kind of doctor you are but a cut off of 3 medications seems ridiculous. What if more than that are medically indicated? I see patients everyday who are maxed out on 5 anti hypertensives. What do you do? Stop 2 and hope the patient doesn't kill his kidneys or stroke out? Come on
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Well, most of the medications people take are for things can be reversed or managed with diet and exercise. Studies prove that. Wolff's Law tells use that weight bearing exercises can reverse osteoporosis, so why aren't more orthos referring out to physical therapists? Why don't endocrinologists educate patients on proper diet if a pt has Diabetes?(because they aren't trained in diet and exercise) So why not refer out to to a dietician who is trained? Hyper/Hypotension, PH, circulatory issues, ect. studies show that low intensity exercise helps pts with these issues and improve quality of life.

I'm not criticizing you or any other MD. The fact is that MDs are highly trained in what they know. Unfortunately, they treat the disease instead of the underlying cause. Why does a pt have Cardiovascular issues if it doesn't originate from a congenital issue? Why are people obese? Why do people have metabolism issues? Why is there such an influx of autoimmune diseases? The "why" is a question that isn't answered. I read a lot of old work from old physicians such as William Osler (one of the founders of Johns Hopkins and I have his book on my desk along with Gray's Anatomy), Weston A. Price, ect. equate pathology with poor diet.
 
rashi said:
Well, most of the medications people take are for things can be reversed or managed with diet and exercise. Studies prove that. Wolff's Law tells use that weight bearing exercises can reverse osteoporosis, so why aren't more orthos referring out to physical therapists? Why don't endocrinologists educate patients on proper diet if a pt has Diabetes?(because they aren't trained in diet and exercise) So why not refer out to to a dietician who is trained? Hyper/Hypotension, PH, circulatory issues, ect. studies show that low intensity exercise helps pts with these issues and improve quality of life.
I'm not criticizing you or any other MD. The fact is that MDs are highly trained in what they know. Unfortunately, they treat the disease instead of the underlying cause. Why does a pt have Cardiovascular issues if it doesn't originate from a congenital issue? Why are people obese? Why do people have metabolism issues? Why is there such an influx of autoimmune diseases? The "why" is a question that isn't answered. I read a lot of old work from old physicians such as William Osler (one of the founders of Johns Hopkins and I have his book on my desk along with Gray's Anatomy), Weston A. Price, ect. equate pathology with poor diet.
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cosign on all of this, I agree 100%. I think schools are to blame as well, Med School is basically just a ton of memorization...that isn't exactly helpful.
 
il prescelto said:
rashi said:
Well, most of the medications people take are for things can be reversed or managed with diet and exercise. Studies prove that. Wolff's Law tells use that weight bearing exercises can reverse osteoporosis, so why aren't more orthos referring out to physical therapists? Why don't endocrinologists educate patients on proper diet if a pt has Diabetes?(because they aren't trained in diet and exercise) So why not refer out to to a dietician who is trained? Hyper/Hypotension, PH, circulatory issues, ect. studies show that low intensity exercise helps pts with these issues and improve quality of life.
I'm not criticizing you or any other MD. The fact is that MDs are highly trained in what they know. Unfortunately, they treat the disease instead of the underlying cause. Why does a pt have Cardiovascular issues if it doesn't originate from a congenital issue? Why are people obese? Why do people have metabolism issues? Why is there such an influx of autoimmune diseases? The "why" is a question that isn't answered. I read a lot of old work from old physicians such as William Osler (one of the founders of Johns Hopkins and I have his book on my desk along with Gray's Anatomy), Weston A. Price, ect. equate pathology with poor diet.
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cosign on all of this, I agree 100%. I think schools are to blame as well, Med School is basically just a ton of memorization...that isn't exactly helpful.
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not trying to offend, but do you know if "medical school is basically just a ton of memorization" is true?

or are you just postulating. 
 
il prescelto said:
rashi said:
Well, most of the medications people take are for things can be reversed or managed with diet and exercise. Studies prove that. Wolff's Law tells use that weight bearing exercises can reverse osteoporosis, so why aren't more orthos referring out to physical therapists? Why don't endocrinologists educate patients on proper diet if a pt has Diabetes?(because they aren't trained in diet and exercise) So why not refer out to to a dietician who is trained? Hyper/Hypotension, PH, circulatory issues, ect. studies show that low intensity exercise helps pts with these issues and improve quality of life.
I'm not criticizing you or any other MD. The fact is that MDs are highly trained in what they know. Unfortunately, they treat the disease instead of the underlying cause. Why does a pt have Cardiovascular issues if it doesn't originate from a congenital issue? Why are people obese? Why do people have metabolism issues? Why is there such an influx of autoimmune diseases? The "why" is a question that isn't answered. I read a lot of old work from old physicians such as William Osler (one of the founders of Johns Hopkins and I have his book on my desk along with Gray's Anatomy), Weston A. Price, ect. equate pathology with poor diet.
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cosign on all of this, I agree 100%. I think schools are to blame as well, Med School is basically just a ton of memorization...that isn't exactly helpful.
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I did a program a few years back over the summer and they brought in a Dr. who said if he could change things, he could turn out doctors at 18 if he wanted to. He felt that the barriers to getting into medical school were too high and outdated. 

However, you're kinda wilding with the "just memorization" thing. Its a little more than that. Theres a lot of stuff to KNOW...can't be guessing on that. 
 
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offbad said:
not trying to offend, but do you know if "medical school is basically just a ton of memorization" is true?

or are you just postulating. 
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a lot of my friends who are currently in med school share those same sentiments but maybe its all perspective??
 
FutureMD said:
I did a program a few years back over the summer and they brought in a Dr. who said if he could change things, he could turn out doctors at 18 if he wanted to. He felt that the barriers to getting into medical school were too high and outdated. 

However, you're kinda wilding with the "just memorization" thing. Its a little more than that. Theres a lot of stuff to KNOW...can't be guessing on that. 
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Where else are doctors gonna learn their practice....tutors? :rofl:

Any type of school is more than memorizing. Passing a test, maybe. Learning and taking something from the course, not really.
 
^^for the most part yes, but i have a few who are further along but i haven't spoken to them in a while to actually gauge their feelings about it.
 
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FutureMD said:
I did a program a few years back over the summer and they brought in a Dr. who said if he could change things, he could turn out doctors at 18 if he wanted to. He felt that the barriers to getting into medical school were too high and outdated. 

However, you're kinda wilding with the "just memorization" thing. Its a little more than that. Theres a lot of stuff to KNOW...can't be guessing on that. 
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Plus the amount of financial leverage it takes to become a full fledged practicing doctor is ridiculous. One could almost argue that the average debt a doctor will incur in school gives them a motive to be more money motivated than patient health concerned.

But I have fairly liberal views...

If it were up to me, there would be no colleges. Just apprenticeships and hard work to prove you really want to be there.

Sick of all these rich kids becoming doctors not because it's what they want, but it's what' expected of their social class.

I notice this too much in AA community. The ones that are somewhat affluent, almost all of their children will either be doctors, or lawyers.

No farmers, business owners, inventors etc.

Just employees of elite institutions.
 
Wr said:
Plus the amount of financial leverage it takes to become a full fledged practicing doctor is ridiculous. One could almost argue that the average debt a doctor will incur in school gives them a motive to be more money motivated than patient health concerned.
But I have fairly liberal views...
If it were up to me, there would be no colleges. Just apprenticeships and hard work to prove you really want to be there.
Sick of all these rich kids becoming doctors not because it's what they want, but it's what' expected of their social class.
I notice this too much in AA community. The ones that are somewhat affluent, almost all of their children will either be doctors, or lawyers.
No farmers, business owners, inventors etc.
Just employees of elite institutions.
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THIS
 
rashi said:
Well, most of the medications people take are for things can be reversed or managed with diet and exercise. Studies prove that. Wolff's Law tells use that weight bearing exercises can reverse osteoporosis, so why aren't more orthos referring out to physical therapists? Why don't endocrinologists educate patients on proper diet if a pt has Diabetes?(because they aren't trained in diet and exercise) So why not refer out to to a dietician who is trained? Hyper/Hypotension, PH, circulatory issues, ect. studies show that low intensity exercise helps pts with these issues and improve quality of life.
I'm not criticizing you or any other MD. The fact is that MDs are highly trained in what they know. Unfortunately, they treat the disease instead of the underlying cause. Why does a pt have Cardiovascular issues if it doesn't originate from a congenital issue? Why are people obese? Why do people have metabolism issues? Why is there such an influx of autoimmune diseases? The "why" is a question that isn't answered. I read a lot of old work from old physicians such as William Osler (one of the founders of Johns Hopkins and I have his book on my desk along with Gray's Anatomy), Weston A. Price, ect. equate pathology with poor diet.
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im curious as to what you do for a living. obviously something in healthcare but definitely not a physician. you have a lot of misconceptions about what specialists do and how the american health care system works.

. an orthopedic surgeons job is not to manage your osteoporosis. first, pretty sure orthopods don't really manage anything long term. they are glorified carpenters that saw, nail, screw, and replace broken bones. MAYBE they will see you post op in a couple weeks or see you in 4 weeks to see if your ligament injury has resolved or if they need to saw/nail/screw/fix that too. but they are definitely not seeing an 85 year old woman with a t score of -3 on her dexascan unless she comes into the ED with a fracture. orthopedists see you when you have complications of your disease that diet and exercise will not fix. how is diet and exercise going to help regenerate cartilage and reverse end stage joint disease in an arthritic knee that needs replacement? they won't and that patient is going to be in debilitating pain and wheel chair bound.

Why don't orthopods recommend physical therapy? They certainly do, for ligamentous injury, reversible nerve palsies, post operatively. Sure those are all Medicare approved diagnosis for which PT is indicated. But good luck telling a patient they will have to pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket per session when Medicare will not cover it.

along the same lines, endocrinologists don't see every diabetic. they see patients with complication of their diabetes. they see diabetics with renal failure, retinopathy, neuropathy and CAD. they see you when first line (your beloved diet and exercise), second line (metformin), third line (GLP1s and sulfonylureas) and fourth line (insulin) have ALL failed to control your diabetes. EVERY newly diagnosed diabetic is educated about an ADA diet. the truth is most people are not willing to make lifestyle changes until it's too late. They are lazy and would much rather have a pill that they think is some panacea without making the necessary lifestyle changes to optimize their disease.
 
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