Kobe/Jordan identical plays....vol. uncanny

Kobe, arguably todays best student of the game, studied the greatest to do it? And incorporated some of his moves nto his own game? what a lame :smh:

I don't understand some of you dudes :lol:
 
So a guy studies moves that are known to work in a game that he's passionate about and that's bad? Some of u dudes ride Jordan or hate kobe waaaay to hard
 
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So Kobe has NO identity, yet the entire world knows who he is. And we're supposed to believe that everyone thinks hes some kind of fake variant Jordan.

This. Plus Jordan didn't invent basketball. Dudes act like Jordan created the crossover, fadeaway, etc and trademark it so if anyone use it would consider a crime. MJ stans are hilarious.

And Rick Barry dunked from the freethrow line as well. I guess he copied MJ too lol according to his stans
 
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[quote name="Mamba MVP" url="/t/505346/kobe-jordan-identical-plays-vol-uncanny/30#post_16225245" For the younger generation that didn't watch Jordan play Kobe definitely got over on alot of you dudes out here that simply don't know any better.

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Anybody got info on Kobe and Jordan head to head match-ups? In terms of stats. 

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Michael Jordan fans, I heard the Home Depot is having a 25% Off sale on pitchforks, torches, and molitov cocktail supplies. As a word of friendly advice, you might want to run down and stock up on those items before you finish reading this column.

While the subjective debate about, "Is Kobe better than MJ?" is not going to die for the next few years as Kobe continues with his blood-lust pursuit of more titles and individual scoring records, there is at least one way to objectively look at the Kobe vs. MJ debate:


How did they perform in head-to-head match-ups against each other?

The answer, to put it simply, is that Kobe dominated Michael Jordan when the two of them set foot on the same NBA hardwood.

The MJ-Kobe on-court rivalry lasted eight games and started in 1996 when Kobe was just an 18-year-old reserve player and MJ was a primed 33-year-old leading the league in scoring at 30 PPG. The rivalry ended in reverse fashion in 2003 with a 25-year-old Kobe dropping 30 a night and 40-year-old MJ awkwardly huffing and puffing in a Wizards uniform. In other words, there were times during their head-to-head games when Kobe was a rookie playing 15 MPG, other times when they were both in their primes, and yet others when MJ was over the hill. In all, it is a pretty fair comparison.

And in the eight games MJ and Kobe went head-to-head, Kobe Bryant was clearly the better player as seen below. All stats are provide by Pro-Basketball-Reference.com and can be found here.

Win-Loss Record: Advantage Kobe. Kobe's Lakers beat MJ's Bulls/Wiz 5-3 in their eight head-to-head battles. One of the main reasons most NBA observers have MJ ranked above Kobe is because MJ has won more titles. That's valid. Therefore, so is Kobe's 5-3 advantage on the scoreboard.

Scoring: Advantage MJ. His Airness (24.5 PPG) barely edges out the Black Mamba (22.8 PPG) in this category. But to quote Stephen A. Smith - "How-EVVV-uh" - MJ also averaged 35.4 minutes per game to Kobe's 29.1 MPG. Kobe's stats were limited by his 10 minute and 13 minute performances when he faced MJ as a baby-faced rookie. MJ leads the stat sheet here, but Kobe was a better scorer on a per-minute basis. Kobe also has the best single-game scoring mark in the head-to-head match-up with 55 points while MJ's top output was "just" 36.

Shooting: Advantage Kobe. This one was not even close. Kobe's averages of 46.6% FG - 55.2% 3PT - 75.9% FT are noticeably better than MJ's 43.6% - 30.0% - 75.0%. MJ supporters might try to say, "But I bet MJ's numbers went down when he was a washed-up Wizard." Easy, MJ lovers. In fact, two of MJ's best shooting performances against Kobe came during their last two match-ups in 2002 (9 for 14, 64%) and 2003 (10-20, 50%). And, yes, Kobe made it rain down on Jordan's head from the three-point line, hitting an amazing 16 of 29 (55.2%) from the three-point line in their head-to-head games, including his ridiculous 9 for 13 three-point barrage in their final match-up when Kobe dropped 55 on MJ's noggin.

Assists: Advantage Kobe. Again, despite the disparity in minutes (35 for MJ, 29 for Kobe), Kobe still managed to sneak away with a 3.9 APG advantage over MJ's 3.6 APG output. Kobe also holds the single-game mark between the two when he dished out 15 assists en route to a triple double (23-11-15) against MJ's Wiz on February 12th, 2002. MJ's best assist game was six, which he recorded in the same game as Kobe's triple-double.

Rebounds: Advantage Kobe. Kobe by a nose (4.4 RPG vs. 4.3 RPG) despite MJ's heavier minutes. It didn't hurt Kobe's cause that a 40-year-old MJ recorded 0 rebounds in 41 minutes in their last head-to-head match-up.

Steals/Blocks: Even. MJ averaged more steals (1.1 vs. 0.9) while Kobe averaged more blocks (0.6 vs. 0.5). But in the end these are ancillary stats and do not carry a tremendous amount of weight in the, "Who's better?" debate.

The stats I listed above include Kobe's 10 minute and 13 minute performances as a rookie. It also includes MJ's 12 minute game from 2002. When these three anomalies are removed and only games with a regular amount of minutes were played (in this case, at least 26 minutes), Kobe's numbers are noticeably better than Jordan's:

Kobe: 6 G's, 35 MPG, 28.7 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 5.2 APG, 48% FG, 56% 3PT, 79% FT. Record: 4-2.

Jordan: 7 G's, 37 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 3.8 APG, 48% FG, 38% 3PT, 76% FT. Record: 3-4.

The "Kobe vs. Jordan" debate will not be settled for a few more years, and depending on how Kobe finishes his career it may never be resolved.

But one thing about their rivalry is certain: Kobe dominated MJ in their head-to-head matchups.

MJ fans, I hear Home Depot is still open. Just sayin'.
 
Krazyrodzilla went in. Kobe will always be the greatest player of all time TO ME. I was too young to watch MJ play so how can I put a player I've rarely seen play as the best. That's like saying the Beatles are better than Radiohead. Two different eras.

All I know is that "I didn't cry when MJ retired, but I will when Kobe does"
 
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Michael Jordan fans, I heard the Home Depot is having a 25% Off sale on pitchforks, torches, and molitov cocktail supplies. As a word of friendly advice, you might want to run down and stock up on those items before you finish reading this column.
While the subjective debate about, "Is Kobe better than MJ?" is not going to die for the next few years as Kobe continues with his blood-lust pursuit of more titles and individual scoring records, there is at least one way to objectively look at the Kobe vs. MJ debate:
How did they perform in head-to-head match-ups against each other?
The answer, to put it simply, is that Kobe dominated Michael Jordan when the two of them set foot on the same NBA hardwood.
The MJ-Kobe on-court rivalry lasted eight games and started in 1996 when Kobe was just an 18-year-old reserve player and MJ was a primed 33-year-old leading the league in scoring at 30 PPG. The rivalry ended in reverse fashion in 2003 with a 25-year-old Kobe dropping 30 a night and 40-year-old MJ awkwardly huffing and puffing in a Wizards uniform. In other words, there were times during their head-to-head games when Kobe was a rookie playing 15 MPG, other times when they were both in their primes, and yet others when MJ was over the hill. In all, it is a pretty fair comparison.
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This isn't serious.


Cmon man, you can't expect people to take you seriously, when you pick some ludicrous sample size of head to head match ups vs Kobe, the bulk of which occurred during Jordan's decline phase and Washington washed phase.


This is the fact, there is no logic based argument that can end with the conclusion the Kobe is better than Jordan, it simply doesn't exist. In fact it really isn't close so please give it a rest.

Krazyrodzilla went in. Kobe will always be the greatest player of all time TO ME. I was too young to watch MJ play so how can I put a player I've rarely seen play as the best. That's like saying the Beatles are better than Radiohead. Two different eras.

All I know is that "I didn't cry when MJ retired, but I will when Kobe does"

He didn't go in he twisted numbers around until they supported his opinion, it's not two different era's, 1996 is not like the 50's or something, we can adjust for the eras, and we come to the same conclusion, Jordan is better.

If you believe that Kobe is better your opinion cannot be taken seriously on any level when it comes to basketball.
 
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This isn't serious.
Cmon man, you can't expect people to take you seriously, when you pick some ludicrous sample size of head to head match ups vs Kobe, the bulk of which occurred during Jordan's decline phase and Washington washed phase.
This is the fact, there is no logic based argument that can end with the conclusion the Kobe is better than Jordan, it simply doesn't exist. In fact it really isn't close so please give it a rest.
He didn't go in he twisted numbers around until they supported his opinion, it's not two different era's, 1996 is not like the 50's or something, we can adjust for the eras, and we come to the same conclusion, Jordan is better.
If you believe that Kobe is better your opinion cannot be taken seriously on any level when it comes to basketball.
I mean I've only been playing basketball my entire life fam
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I'm not one of those cats who sit on their butt and talk about a sport they have actually no experience playing competitively.

Let me correct my post. Kobe Bryant is the greatest player I HAVE SEEN play. Happy?
 
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For real...I'm definitely not a Kobe fan, but respect the CRAP out of his game and give him props for being able to mimic as much of Jordan as humanly possible.
I honestly disliked him ever since he said his fave player was Magic and tried to deny the MJ links...c'mon son!

Anyway, HONESTLY, if you cue up enough footage of quite a few players, you will find MANY with the same moves, jumpshot, dunk etc. They are NBA moves that happen often and even some folks playing in the 90's, early 2000's have their tongue out too! The difference is that MJ mastered them, Kobe is the adjunct professor.

Vince Carter's jumpers/dunks/fadeaway next to MJ's will look similar, as would Dwayne Wade (even with his more pigeon-toed stance :lol: --the rest is just more clumsy-looking. AND I LIKE WADE!)

Many people who came up with the NBA in the 2000's could agree...or just be blinded and say NO WAY NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE..etc. Watch a VC clip, even a Pippen or Payton clip and look for the fades, gum-chewing, etc

ps: MARC JACKSON IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST MJ HATERS OF ALL TIME!! :rofl:, people always use him in Kobe arguments...if you know anything about Marc, you KNOW he jsut absolutely does not like Jordan! I hate hearing him talk about Kobe...its sickening lol.

pps: Again, I'm just talking moves...yes accomplishments are similar..kinda...(Kobe is much more of a pure volume shooter--aka a tall Iverson) Kobe only has rings over MJ.

ppps: mods, prepare the flame suit. I'm going in.
 
Passing off somebody else's work as your own.............nah we can't co-sign that champ. Most institutions/organizations will toss you out if your accused and found guilty of plagiarism, so with that in mind Kobe is very fortunate he's even made it this far doing what he's doing. Kobe's a great player, but at the end of the day as a basketball player he doesn't have his OWN identity.

we sitting here talking about plagiarism and being thrown out of the NBA? really?! :smh:
so everything Kobe does, is wrong because Jordan did it? Is it wrong to mirror aspects of someone you look up to? If anyone could mirror Jordans game and actually be successful doing it, then why doesn't anyone else do it? or does it take more than just copying, say maybe a certain skill set


Kobe, arguably todays best student of the game, studied the greatest to do it? And incorporated some of his moves nto his own game? what a lame :smh:
I don't understand some of you dudes :lol:

This.


Threads like this don't usually get to me, but some of YOU PEOPLE on here are just dumb.


my 2 cents.
 
Not here to argue that Jordan's era was better but this era does have more advances in medical technology. With that said players of today do have a slight edge.
 
kobe is a biter, copycat player, cant stand dude, not hating, he got game, second best guard in history, but if i see him imma boo him real talk :lol:
 
I mean I've only been playing basketball my entire life fam
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I'm not one of those cats who sit on their butt and talk about a sport they have actually no experience playing competitively.

Let me correct my post. Kobe Bryant is the greatest player I HAVE SEEN play. Happy?
Kobe is better than MJ imo and i've seen MJ played

If it's the 4th quarter and both players are hot handed. I'd take a hot handed Kobe Bryant
 
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