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post #4861 of 9566
Unnecessary move to trade up in the second IMO, at least throw in a 7th and get a 4th back in return mean.gif .. couldve had jernigan and clarke to patch up the DL, then picked up a safety at 4 if we stayed put. Hopefully we make up for it tomorrow.
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post #4862 of 9566
2nd Round Draft Grades:

Derek Stephens | NFLDraftScout.com
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Dallas (Traded with Washington): Demarcus Lawrence, OLB/DE, Boise State: Lawrence may not have the explosive get-off that some of the other rushers in the draft possess, but he's athletic, instinctive and has a wide array of moves to get to the quarterback. Solid against the run as well. GRADE: B

Bryan Fischer | NFL.com
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Grade: Good Pick, Good Fit
Dallas Cowboys: Zack Martin (16th), Demarcus Lawrence (34th)
The skinny: After building up so much goodwill in the first round, you know Jerry Jones was going to give it away. The Cowboys paid way too much to move up a handful of spots, but at least they got a replacement for DeMarcus Ware in Lawrence.

Michael Schottey | NFL National Lead Writer - Bleacher Report
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Grade: A-

Why This Pick Makes Sense:
Really like the pick and the value here, as Lawrence has been continually underrated since a poor combine.
One day in Indianapolis aside, he's a stud athlete who knows how to make game-changing plays. He certainly won't make people forget about the last DeMarcus in Dallas, but he'll improve the defense.

Where Things Could Go Terribly Wrong:
Some character red-flags and the thought that maybe he was just a man among boys at Boise kept some low on him.
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post #4863 of 9566

love the player, dislike the trade

 

but they weren't drafting Jernigan no way so throw that out that window, I think they would've take a WR at 47 had they stayed there

 

Atlanta was going to take Lawrence, truly believe that

 

personally I love the player, I just think losing that 3rd rounder sucks because of Terrance Brooks sitting there, but honestly other than him and a few WRs, the 3rd round when we went on the clock that board was pretty much cooked

 

today they have to get a WR, we need another guy there

post #4864 of 9566
Would be nice to come out of Round 4 with a couple of guys... Still some guys that can contribute early...

DL - Daquan Jones, Anthony Johnson, Jeffcoat, couple of guys that look like they could play nose...
DB - Vereen, McGill, Bailey, Reynolds, Telvin Smith
post #4865 of 9566
Save WR for 7th. It's important, but isn't that important. Hell Miles is still sitting without a team can always have him as a fall back plan as our #3 WR on a 1 year deal
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post #4866 of 9566

no idea who is left that they had in for a national visit, bunch of Dallas Day guys left though

 

only safety prospect I like that is left is Marqueston Huff, I like Caruan Reid from Princeton I see him as a big 3-tech or decent 1-tech, no DEs left really, bunch of LBs left Telvin Smith would be a nice get in the 4th

 

RB is something to consider, bunch of guys left there

 

right now my prime target with the 4th rounder is DeAnthony Thomas, we need more speed

post #4867 of 9566
Called it a bunch of days ago
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Just over 2 hrs til the marathon that is Day 3 begins. Out of my remaining targets we hear #Cowboys interested in, DT Justin Ellis tops.

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post #4868 of 9566
Would love to come out of Round 4 with a DT and Telvin Smith.
post #4869 of 9566
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Would love to come out of Round 4 with a DT and Telvin Smith.

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Would love to come out of Round 4 with a DT and Telvin Smith.

If not Telvin Smith, Lamin Barrow would be good.

He's an emotional leader on Defense just like Smith.


Praying Ellis falls to us.
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post #4870 of 9566
Justin Ellis is gone...

Might as well pick OLB or S now.
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post #4871 of 9566
We really blew that pick.
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post #4872 of 9566
... indifferent.gif
post #4873 of 9566
I was planning on watching the 5th... Man F That.
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post #4874 of 9566
Do they have too much faith in Marinelli coaching players up, or is it that he looks for more subtle, specific traits that fit exactly what he needs scheme wise?? What is good with this Hitchens dude?
post #4875 of 9566
Honestly never heard of this guy until today...
post #4876 of 9566
Still no picks with that horrible secondary sick.gifmean.gif
post #4877 of 9566

Finally a Safety, Ahmad Dixon. 

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post #4878 of 9566
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Save WR for 7th. It's important, but isn't that important. Hell Miles is still sitting without a team can always have him as a fall back plan as our #3 WR on a 1 year deal

Miles can pack his duffle bag, and auto start his Bentley. His replacement has arrived!
post #4879 of 9566

Not in love with this draft, I grade off the Ravens premise of three starters makes a quality draft but I see 2 starters, like Street a lot though

 

worst pick was that Hitchens dude, no offense to him but that's Dallas getting cute IMO

 

like the Dixon pick but I think they failed that 7th round too

post #4880 of 9566
Not big on the Dixon pick, wanted a FS.
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post #4881 of 9566

I wanted a FS too, Marqueston Huff over that Hitchens was ideal

 

Dixon has upside though, I like that pick even though another SS isn't what we wanted I think he could potentially be a starter if he ever gets some discipline

post #4882 of 9566
Correct me if I'm wrong here but in a cover 2 shouldn't both safeties be somewhat of a hybrid strong/free if that's the case this team doesn't even have one that fills the role properly
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Correct me if I'm wrong here but in a cover 2 shouldn't both safeties be somewhat of a hybrid strong/free if that's the case this team doesn't even have one that fills the role properly

Eh, if anything in a Cover 2 you want safeties that can cover because they are your primary deep coverage while your corners take care of the flats.
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post #4884 of 9566
Don't know much about about these players to judge but front 7 is way more beneficial than the back 4. And with the money tied up in our corners already and the way our pass rush was non-existent + injury history, not even mad they drafted the way they did. 2009 when we led the league in sacks our secondary was fine and we didn't have anyone special back there.

Hopefully Carr gets back to how he was before CJ81 broke him.
post #4885 of 9566

Cover 2, there is a single high safety (FS) most of the time patrolling the deep half and the SS comes down into the box

post #4886 of 9566

*looks at calendar, waits for preseason*

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post #4887 of 9566
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Cover 2, there is a single high safety (FS) most of the time patrolling the deep half and the SS comes down into the box

This is what I was referring to! Now is it alway the same guy playing center field was more of my question sorry I should have worded it better... Are both safeties required to fall back into coverage and come up into the box
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This is what I was referring to! Now is it alway the same guy playing center field was more of my question sorry I should have worded it better... Are both safeties required to fall back into coverage and come up into the box

Not really interchangeable like we needed in Ryan's 3-4. Had we stayed put in the 2nd, Lamarcus Joyner would've been perfect as a single high, also from the same school Terrance Brooks in the 3rd would've been our starting FS.

On our roster the only natural single high cover 2 FS is matt Johnson but that guy cannot be counted on.

Dallas is never going to get one, they undervalue the position and are only willing to draft someone with a crazy high draft grade like they had on Vaccaro who frankly we should've moved up for last year.

I was also a huge Eric Reid fan you know the guy staring us in the face at 18 a heck of ah athlete and the best single high prospect last year. I knew if Dallas wouldn't take Reid at 18 then they wouldn't touch the two safeties ranked in the first this year because those two weren't near the caliber Reid was.

Right now our FS is probably Matt Johnson and Jeff Heath but they'll probably have to work Wilcox at FS but I think he's a better in the box guy.

If your looking at 2015 draft needs lol FS QB DE DT would top my list
post #4889 of 9566
Ideally there's two philosophies

Seattle drops Kam down underneath and he's basically a rover which is the same position he played at college and Carroll identified his talent and inserted him into basically the same SS role in Seattle.

This allows Thomas to drop back deeper and control the high part of the field.

When you have a true thumper with athleticism and a rangy fast ballhawk that can cover ground and anticipate correctly then you've found the key to safety secondary play. Problem is these guys are hard to find and Carroll found them both in the same draft, the man is a genius.

Sherman is a beast but trust me Thomas and Chancellor are the straw that stirs the drink in Seattle.

Also it doesn't hurt to have a 8 man DL rotation lol but look around the league there are very few good safeties out there and there's only IMO really a handful of elite ones

The next elite FS to come out of college will be a top 10 pick I guarantee that
post #4890 of 9566
Craig Loston went undrafted.... Did not see that coming.. Should be a guy that we invite to camp.

Even with the Dixon pick...
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