THE OFFICIAL 2023 DALLAS COWBOYS OFF-SEASON THREAD || Cowboys Gonna Cowboy

[OneNightDan]

If the Cowboys are willing to sign Hardy, then they can sign McClain as well.

 

[essential1]

@ProFootballTalk · 4m 4 minutes ago
Greg Hardy has agreed to terms with the Cowboys.

@ProFootballTalk · 4m 4 minutes ago
It's a one-year deal for Greg Hardy in Dallas, that can be worth up to $13.1 million but that has a minimum base salary.

Low risk...

Now get McClain done. Since we have about $4.2mil left.


Get Dez done open up some millions to re-sign depth guys at RT, DE, DT, DB, S.

 

[quad]

@ProFootballTalk · 4m 4 minutes ago
Greg Hardy has agreed to terms with the Cowboys.

Yea buddy, now let's see how many games he gets suspended for, also hope he takes Spencer spot.

EDIT: Looks like Spencer may sign with Seattle.

 

[blackboyfly]

Was upset about it being only one year but there's no way dude was gonna take more than one year unless it was a huge deal. Dude is in for a big payday if he shows up this season.

 

[blackboyfly]

Awesome deal. 2.6 million cap hit.

Stephen Jones cooking

 

[S4L]

I'm hearing he got a no franchise tag clause in the deal too....

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Great move, now let's bring McClain back and add another CB or S that can come in and play right away. Wouldn't mind going after CJ Mosley for our DLine either.

 

[blackboyfly]

I'm hearing he got a no franchise tag clause in the deal too....

Yep. Only thing about the deal I don't like.

But.. If Hardy does leave... That more than likely means we get a third round compensatory pick for a one year rental

 

[jmause3]

Lets hope he balls out and has a huge year. After this year we should know how good Lawrence will be too. Gotta find a RB in the draft. I really want Gurley, but i definitely dont see him there at 27.

Still want to draft a pass rusher in the 4th round as this is a one year marriage with Hardy

 

[rodrigofresh]

Lets hope he balls out and has a huge year. After this year we should know how good Lawrence will be too. Gotta find a RB in the draft. I really want Gurley, but i definitely dont see him there at 27.

Still want to draft a pass rusher in the 4th round as this is a one year marriage with Hardy

I hope he has an awesome year, we need him to perform. 

 

[essential1]

Lets hope he balls out and has a huge year. After this year we should know how good Lawrence will be too. Gotta find a RB in the draft. I really want Gurley, but i definitely dont see him there at 27.

Still want to draft a pass rusher in the 4th round as this is a one year marriage with Hardy

Can always trade up.

26 to 22 cost a 3rd rounder last year.
27 to 20 cost a 3rd rounder last year.



Honestly we only could sign 3-4 depth guys for cheap on the line, and only need to draft a Pass Rush DT in the 2nd.

 

[D StaXX]

Yessir!

 

[suavamente]

Can always trade up.

26 to 22 cost a 3rd rounder last year.
27 to 20 cost a 3rd rounder last year.



Honestly we only could sign 3-4 depth guys for cheap on the line, and only need to draft a Pass Rush DT in the 2nd.

if he falls in the 20s you can bet jerruh gonna trade up. I was reading somewhere that 80% of the time with Jerry at the helm the cowboys have traded 1st round spots so it's inevitable.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Awesome deal. 2.6 million cap hit.

Stephen Jones cooking

2.6m base cap hit, but based on his NLTBE (not likely to be earned) bonuses, his cap hit actually raises after every game. (9.25m/16games= ~575k), so after every game, if he reaches the incentive, his cap also rises ~575k. The 2.6m is based off his base salary + work out bonus + roster bonus for first game for his LTBE bonuses.

So theoretically, if Hardy makes the roster and does begin to play a lot, his cap rises with every game. Assuming Hardy plays every game and reaches the roster incentives for each game, he'll get the 11m pay out on the season which would all be accounted for in this years cap, it'll be interesting to see how the Cowboys make it work. They couldn't afford to offer Demarco Murray a contract that averages out to about 8m a year, but then Greg Hardy's cap hit could be up to 11m for this season.

The only cap hits plausible for next year is the NLTBE sack incentives. So if Hardy leaves after the year, he can only have a dead hit up to 1.8m for the sack incentives.

Expect restructures or releases to happen as the season goes on to fit Greg Hardy's contract within the cap. This is not a normal contract structure, but it is available because Hardy was gone for a year and the Cowboys took advantage of that with a loop hole of the NLTBE bonuses to fit his cap for now, again, his cap is going to go up, so we'll see how it all works out.

 

[grusumm18]

2.6m base cap hit, but based on his NLTBE (not likely to be earned) bonuses, his cap hit actually raises after every game. (9.25m/16games= ~575k), so after every game, if he reaches the incentive, his cap also rises ~575k. The 2.6m is based off his base salary + work out bonus + roster bonus for first game for his LTBE bonuses.

So theoretically, if Hardy makes the roster and does begin to play a lot, his cap rises with every game. Assuming Hardy plays every game and reaches the roster incentives for each game, he'll get the 11m pay out on the season which would all be accounted for in this years cap, it'll be interesting to see how the Cowboys make it work. They couldn't afford to offer Demarco Murray a contract that averages out to about 8m a year, but then Greg Hardy's cap hit could be up to 11m for this season.

The only cap hits plausible for next year is the NLTBE sack incentives. So if Hardy leaves after the year, he can only have a dead hit up to 1.8m for the sack incentives.

Expect restructures or releases to happen as the season goes on to fit Greg Hardy's contract within the cap. This is not a normal contract structure, but it is available because Hardy was gone for a year and the Cowboys took advantage of that with a loop hole of the NLTBE bonuses to fit his cap for now, again, his cap is going to go up, so we'll see how it all works out.

Thought he was most likely missing at least first 4, possibly 6, games tho.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Thought he was most likely missing at least first 4, possibly 6, games tho.

So if he misses 6 games for a suspension and he comes back to play 10, then just those 10 games would count against the cap.

So ~2.6m base cap hit + (9 games, because the first game is already counted towards the initial base cap hit x 575k per game) = ~7.8m cap hit instead of the total 11.3 cap hit total if he would play 16 games.

Only problem is that Cowboys are ~2-3m under the cap right now, but they still need to sign their draft picks which will cost 5-6m against the cap.

So if draft picks were to count against the cap right now, they would be 2-3m over the cap without even Hardy's future cap hits even being accounted for yet.

Signing Dez to a long term contract and reducing his cap hit this year should help, and then I also see that a lot of Cowboys fans expect Brandon Carr to be restructured or released to help with cap relief.

 

[jmause3]

So if he misses 6 games for a suspension and he comes back to play 10, then just those 10 games would count against the cap.

So ~2.6m base cap hit + (9 games, because the first game is already counted towards the initial base cap hit x 575k per game) = ~7.8m cap hit instead of the total 11.3 cap hit total if he would play 16 games.

Only problem is that Cowboys are ~2-3m under the cap right now, but they still need to sign their draft picks which will cost 5-6m against the cap.

So if draft picks were to count against the cap right now, they would be 2-3m over the cap without even Hardy's future cap hits even being accounted for yet.

Signing Dez to a long term contract and reducing his cap hit this year should help, and then I also see that a lot of Cowboys fans expect Brandon Carr to be restructured or released to help with cap relief.

Carr only saves us about $500k releasing him this year, we would be better off just putting up with him this year a cut him next summer if he doesnt want to take a pay cut, which i cant blame him if he doesnt

 

[essential1]

It's $500k now, $8mil after July.


Over the cap on the contract:

All told I am calcuating his cap charge at just $3,217,850 (It will be about $2.6 million if I am incorrect about his exempt date), which fits him easily under the cap…for now. Yes there is a catch to this contract that we need to consider. When we deal with per game roster bonuses that do not count against the salary cap in the offseason, we have to be prepared for taking those charges on in the regular season.

For each week Hardy is active beyond the two week expectation his cap charge will grow by $578,125. If he plays all 16 games that means he will eventually count for the full $11.311 million against the cap in 2015. Obviously Dallas does not have the room to deal with that at the moment.

I would imagine that this puts Brandon Carr on the chopping block for a June 1 cut designation (or simply to be cut in the summer). Releasing Carr after June 1 creates $8 million in cap room, which would offset this potential charge for Hardy. While I would not expect Dallas to do anythin until the Hardy situation with the league is resolved, they should have all the leverage to approach Carr now about a pay cut if he wants to remain in Dallas. Another option is restructuring Tony Romo’s contract during the season as the need arises for more money.

So it is definitely a creative contract that allows the team to bring in a potential devastating pass rusher now and then come up with a way in a few months to deal with the potential cap charges assoicated with the move.

Dez long term deal has to get done before July.
Restructure Carr, if he doesn't want to cut him June 2nd.


Those 2 things could help us keep McClain, pay Hardy, get some cheap depth, and the draft.

 

[hadowajp]

dontbelikethat

They couldn't afford to offer Demarco Murray a contract that averages out to about 8m a year, but then Greg Hardy's cap hit could be up to 11m for this season.

The could afford it they chose not to make the room

Hardy's could be up to 13.11 mil Dez deal is pretty important

I hope they're not done with McClain but I'm starting to think they're moving on

Cowboys cap right now with the full hardy deal is at 151mil, so about 8 over. I really don't want them to restructure Romo or cut Carr (no replacement, not a fan of dead money) so Dez deal needs to get done, that creates 7 mil give or take. If Dez deal gets done and somehow hardy plays all 16 we're one over the cap. It will cost 4.6mil for our draft slots, so even if Dez deal gets done they still need to find 6 million

 

[mpire]

Designating Carr as a June 1st cut will save us 8 mill this year but 7.4 mill against the cap in dead money next year. Carr will take a paycut a la Doug Free in 2013.

The Cowboys could have paid Murray but they understand the importance of cap space and building a solid unit now. I'm not mad at DMo for taking the money by any means. But the way the Cowboys are doing things now are drastically different than the last 15 years.

What will be extremely telling is if the Cowboys leave Romo's contract alone and don't restructure. That means they are prepared for life without him as his cap hit next year is relatively low and his guaranteed money is low as well. They'd prefer to take the big hit this year than be paying for a QB years after he has possibly retired or suffered a career ending injury.

Hopefully last season was our 91 year, and this upcoming year is the 92 equivalent

 

[essential1]

mike fisher ‏@fishsports

@TACHI_NJ88 I don't think #Cowboys & McClain negotiations going very well. @1053thefan

That's not good.

But if so...


Go after C.J. Mosley at DT. So we can push DLine further down the list in the draft, and instead find a MLB.



Seriously though Jerry & Stephen... We need McClain. Would make our defense that much better, and compensate for our running not being as good as last year.

 

[Remy LeBeau]

Say we cut Carr, who do you guys see filling that CB spot?

 

[bigmike23]

Say we cut Carr, who do you guys see filling that CB spot?

going to have to pray MO learns how to cover a chair.

 

[hadowajp]

MO will not be ready for the start of the season this wasn't an acl tear

 

[essential1]

Sterling Moore went to the Bucs... Corey White is his replacement, not a great outside DB, but good in the slot.

Dallas Cowboys provided a scouting report, and talked about he caught their eye when he was playing slot against Dez this year. When he played outside, he got torched by Twill.