THE OFFICIAL 2023 DALLAS COWBOYS OFF-SEASON THREAD || Cowboys Gonna Cowboy

[bigmike23]

Is there an option to get rid of both? For the amount of money they pay CBs in Dallas, they better off drafting a rookie.

you want 2 rookie CB's starting next year?

 

[larry david]

Puzzled by keeping Clairborne, he has under performed for how much his salary is. I can't remember the last INT he had.

i would keep Mo as a 3rd CB over carr

No fukkin sir, Claiborne BEEN food...

And I'm 100% sure I've been Mo-C's biggest fan since day 1, tried to stay optimistic throughout these years of his BS but nope, he Simply doesn't have the juice. No pun.

 

[essential1]

He was pretty good last year.

Remember. You have to let Carr go regardless. Unless he's willing to play for next to nothing, he isn't worth paying anymore.

Letting Carr & Mo go means you have to fill 2 DB spots that play regularly. On top of depth for 4th & 5th DB.

When you also need to fill safety spot opposite of Byron Jones.

Question marks all over the DLine.

And need a new running back and a future QB.



We have so many things to fill with such limited resources that dropping Claiborne as well makes little to no sense if he's a reasonable contract.

Not saying he'll be the # 2 DB. But 3rd guy? You could do a lot worse.

 

[bigmike23]

 

 

Puzzled by keeping Clairborne, he has under performed for how much his salary is. I can't remember the last INT he had.

i would keep Mo as a 3rd CB over carr

No fukkin sir, Claiborne BEEN food...

And I'm 100% sure I've been Mo-C's biggest fan since day 1, tried to stay optimistic throughout these years of his BS but nope, he Simply doesn't have the juice. No pun.

im not even close to a mo fan. was he better last year? yeah but i really dont care. but if i had to pick from the 2 im picking mo over carr.

at the end of the day carr is going to be cut period and you have to figure they will not start next year with 4-5 brand new CB's so Mo is coming back

 

[larry david]

While I don't disagree with you, at this point Claiborne is just an accident waiting to happen. Like every time it's 3rd and 4 I just cringe when I see Moe C on the field knowing that's a sure-fire 1st down if we're facing a competent QB. #EndRant

I'm not up to date on the thread but everything discussed within the last few post are why we NEED to trade back.

 

[nflowshoe]

you want 2 rookie CB's starting next year?

Sounds crazy but take the Pats with Malcom Butler for example. A lot of teams are drafting secondaries and focusing more on the pass rush because your CB don't have to be great if the QB only has 3 seconds to pass. While the Cowboys spent 66 million on Carr and Claiborne while Malcom butler is on a 3 year 1.6 million dollar contract.

Once Malcom Butler contract is over and he wants more money they let him go and draft two more CB

That is the issue with the Cowboys, we over pay for mediocrity and keep players we shouldn't while other teams draft players and cut players while focusing more on their defense/offensive scheme. Having rookies will fix the cap issue and Claiborne and Carr stats probably wouldn't be any different than 2 10th round CBs in this draft.

Cowboys paid Dez a bunch of money in the offseason, they should have cut him and Murray and took a chance on any of these guys in the draft

Rushing Yards
1. Todd Gurley RB, St. Louis Rams – 1108
2. Thomas Rawls RB, Seattle Seahawks – 830
3. TJ Yeldon RB, Jacksonville Jaguars – 740
4. Melvin Gordon RB, San Diego Chargers – 636
5. Ameer Abdullah RB, Detroit Lions – 597
6. David Johnson RB, Arizona Cardinals – 581
7. Jeremy Langford RB, Chicago Bears – 536
8.Buck Allen RB, Baltimore Ravens – 514
9. Matt Jones RB, Washington ******** – 490
10. Karlos Williams RB, Buffalo Bills – 477


Receptions
1. Amari Cooper WR, Oakland Raiders – 72
2. Duke Johnson RB, Cleveland Browns – 61
3. Jamison Crowder WR, Washington ******** – 58
4. Stefon Diggs WR, Minnesota Vikings – 52
5. Tyler Lockett WR, Seattle Seahawks – 51
6. Buck Allen RB, Baltimore Ravens – 44
7. Will Tye TE, New York Giants – 42
8. TJ Yeldon RB, Jacksonville Jaguars – 36
9. David Johnson RB, Arizona Cardinals – 34
10. Melvin Gordon RB, San Diego Chargers – 32

I guarantee Dez is not going to live up to 70 million

 

[larry david]

^ Whether Dez ends up being worth the 70 M's in your eyes off the numbers alone is TBD, as it stands, there's no question he's a big part of the heart and soul of this team. Something we drastically lacked before he showed up... off the strength of what he brings you on the field and in the locker room I'm okay with "overpaying" him.

 

[nflowshoe]

^ that's the point I'm making, we value indivuals too much as Cowboy fans. If we had a good QB for most of the year then in Dez Bryant's absence/injury another WR would have stepped up and took Dez Bryant's place. A healthy Romo made Miles Austin look like Jerry rice, then the Cowboys turn around and over pay him. There are probably another 15 Dez Bryant type players in this draft and 30 Wittens in this draft and we act like Dez and Witten are irreplaceable. I'm so frustrated as a Cowboys fan to see that we have a terrible salary cap cause we are overpaying for players that shouldn't have got the contracts at all.

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Who's man is this?

 

[jmause3]

^ that's the point I'm making, we value indivuals too much as Cowboy fans. If we had a good QB for most of the year then in Dez Bryant's absence/injury another WR would have stepped up and took Dez Bryant's place. A healthy Romo made Miles Austin look like Jerry rice, then the Cowboys turn around and over pay him. There are probably another 15 Dez Bryant type players in this draft and 30 Wittens in this draft and we act like Dez and Witten are irreplaceable. I'm so frustrated as a Cowboys fan to see that we have a terrible salary cap cause we are overpaying for players that shouldn't have got the contracts at all.

If you dont mind me asking, who would you have preferred we drafted if we let Dez go? Cant look at his impact on just numbers only, he opens the run game also. Only person on that list you posted thats a number 1 receiver is Amari and we werent getting him. If you feel comfortable rolling Terrance Williams out there as your number 1 receiver thats on you. Dez got what he deserved, he got paid like a top 5 wideout. A healthy Romo throwing to Williams, Brice Butler, and Beasley would have been a clown show. Ask Aaron Rodgers how it was throwing to wideouts who couldnt get open with Nelson out.

It was a injury ridden year. Just bad luck. Lets not overthink it. Romo, Dez, Scan were all hurt and the o-line didnt play as good as we thought they would.

 

[Remy LeBeau]

The disrespect Dez is getting

 

[nflowshoe]

Let's take a look at the playoff teams without receivers that can get open... Packers, Panthers, Texans, Chiefs, Vikings. Sure having a healthy Superstar receiver that demands double teams would have helped but they all played the majority of the year without one.

I honestly would have drafted any receiver that is 6-2 to 6-5 that can run

I used to praise and that T.O was what the Cowboys needed, until they cut him and put up better numbers they next season with a cheaper set of receivers

 

[hadowajp]

Who's man is this?

Stopped paying attention when he said 10th round of the draft

 

[Remy LeBeau]

Nobody knows how somebody is gonna pan out so comparing other teams in hindsight when there's plenty of other variables is stupid. Every team doesn't run the same system and different types of personnel is needed. What works for a few doesn't work for everyone.

 

[nflowshoe]

Stopped paying attention when he said 10th round of the draft

Just a fan that is tired of the Cowboys making the same dumb mistakes from a management standpoint for the past decade and wonder why we didn't learn from previous mistakes,Roy Williams, Terrel Owens, Miles Austin, and now Des Bryant... Etc that giving WR monster comtracts never pans out and now we seem to be paying top dollar for average CBs.

or I can just be in the same boat with the rest of y'all and hope that Romo stays healthy, Dez has a monster season, and we draft/sign players to accommodate them..with a salary cap that can't go after anyone beyond average.

I'm sorry I'm realistic and understand why we won't be competitive and look at how other franchises manage their contracts/players and see how Jerry Jones f$@& up the cap

I'm done venting just angry that we bout to make another mistake with Clairborne.

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Let's take a look at the playoff teams without receivers that can get open... Packers, Panthers, Texans, Chiefs, Vikings. Sure having a healthy Superstar receiver that demands double teams would have helped but they all played the majority of the year without one.

I honestly would have drafted any receiver that is 6-2 to 6-5 that can run

I used to praise and that T.O was what the Cowboys needed, until they cut him and put up better numbers they next season with a cheaper set of receivers

Packers - Fortunate to play a terrible Washington team in the Wildcard, then saw how much they missed Nelson vs the Cardinals

Panthers - Cam Newton, solid run game, great TE, above average defense, all which help mask not having any WRs.

Texans - Worst division in football, enough said.

Chiefs - One of the best run games in the league, top notch special teams, solid defense. And let's not act like Maclin didn't have 87 recs, 1080 yards, and 8 TDs.

Vikings - Best RB in the league, solid defense down the stretch.



None of those teams you mentioned lost as many key pieces as we did.



Cowboys - Romo, Dez, Scandrick, Murray



Packers - Nelson

Panthers - KB

Texans - Foster, random QBs, still the worst division in football

Chiefs - Charles

Vikings - No significant injuries to key players outside of a few missed games from some of their defensive players.


You're comparing apples to oranges because you're a frustrated fan. One minute you want us to look at what other franchises are during and the next minute you want us to sign above average players when the reality of the situation is those teams you mention rarely sign above average players in free agency.

Demaryius Thomas is making just as much money as Dez and just won the SUPER BOWL!

 

[larry david]

Let's take a look at the playoff teams without receivers that can get open... Packers, Panthers, Texans, Chiefs, Vikings. Sure having a healthy Superstar receiver that demands double teams would have helped but they all played the majority of the year without one.

I honestly would have drafted any receiver that is 6-2 to 6-5 that can run

I used to praise and that T.O was what the Cowboys needed, until they cut him and put up better numbers they next season with a cheaper set of receivers

Sans the panthers, none of the team's you listed were serious SB contenders due in large part to not having any playmakers at the WR position. (I'm going to act like you didn't say Texans)

I'm also going to act like you didn't just say as Dez's replacement you would've take any 6-2:6-5 n_ that can run. As if rock hand n_'s like Mike Evans and Davonte Adams don't exist

 

[Remy LeBeau]

Even if we look at the Panthers, look at what happened when they played a solid defense in the biggest game of the year. Them not having their big time wr hurt them.

 

[larry david]

Even if we look at the Panthers, look at what happened when they played a solid defense in the biggest game of the year. Them not having their big time wr hurt them.

Good point.

 

[essential1]

Jerry wants Rolando back. So that solves that.

I'm really curious how they approach Hardy... 3 weeks ago, I was certain he's gone. Now it seems like there's some chance on a short term deal.

Also they are seriously considering releasing Carr. Which if happens, provides lane for Mo back if contract is reasonable.

Finally, Philly will start taking offers for DeMarco.. I believe it was Ian Rappaport who said a couple days ago, Murray would have to help facilitate a trade, and he wants to be back in Dallas. Don't see it happening unless Philly eats the bullet, cuts him, and comes back on Dallas terms.

 

[numbah1grimey]

Dude probably wants Terrence Williams to be our feature receiver

 

[jmause3]

Need Ramsey at 4, not high on Bosa at all

 

[bigmike23]

Need Ramsey at 4, not high on Bosa at all

Ramsey is elite and i love him but you cant take him this year after taken jones last year, we going to end up running into the same problem. drafting someone to be a CB but he really is a safety 

if Ramsey can become a shut down CB im all for getting him at 4 tho.

 

[essential1]

Need Ramsey at 4, not high on Bosa at all

Ramsey is elite and i love him but you cant take him this year after taken jones last year, we going to end up running into the same problem. drafting someone to be a CB but he really is a safety 


if Ramsey can become a shut down CB im all for getting him at 4 tho.

If Ramsey is a FS as listed, it actually works well with Byron who would be Strong Safety, in the box covering TEs, or the run...

 

[essential1]

Just quickly looking at Positives and Negatives, and Combine Peformance...

I think I'd go Jalen Ramsey at #4.... A few mocks have him going to San Diego # 3. If that's the case, then I'd be fine with Joey Bosa..

In an unlikely event that both are gone, then Myles Jack... Because he's by far BPA at that point, OR trade back to 10, and get a 2nd rounder out of it.


It's hard to say what specifically to do....

But I would say Rolando McClain is the most important guy in FA. Doubt he costs much if at all. After him, the next guys are tougher to commit to, and if you lose all 3, then there's so many holes to fill that the awesome benefit that we received being # 4, after being late 1st the year before becomes a squandered effort.

Followed by Mo Claiborne.. Who I think ends up getting a smaller 1 year contract as opposed to a long term deal. Try to prove worth to hopefully open up a longer more lucrative deal for him in the future. If you cut Carr, which we should be doing, retain him as the 3rd DB.


Spotrac calculated Hardy's calculated potential contract at 4 year / $31mil... That's really not bad at all. Especially when you likely can get a more favorable version of that in guaranteed money + incentive money because of his off-field troubles. But if they pass on him, I get it... Just think that the amount of suitors is so low, you can get him for a steal.


If you get those 3 back... And spend the rest of the money on a DB, FS or DT who gets to the QB... And bring back a couple of the cheap depth guys (Nick Hayden, Kyle Wilbur, Bernadeau, either Turbin or Dunbar as 3rd RB, and possibly Mincey depending on what he would cost)

We go into the draft needing only 4 things.... 2 on both sides of the ball.

That's in really good shape having the 4th pick