Is Gay For Pay Still Gay?

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Its an act you consistently do...that job is part of your lifestyle
So here's the question, are you what you do for a living? Do you define yourself by what it is that you do?
Does it define all of me? No...does it define part of me? Indeed

I work for a non profit drug recovery program so yes, I have other parts of my lifestyle that dont include that..but to say it's not part of my lifestyle wouldnt make sense because it consumes a good portion of my life.

By doing that JOB. You are living a part of that LIFESTYLE..you are bisexual...and there's nothing wrong with that for those people who choose it.

but I cant agree with someone who performs gay acts on the regular and then say they're 100% straight. naw
 
Does it define all of me? No...does it define part of me? Indeed

I work for a non profit drug recovery program so yes, I have other parts of my lifestyle that dont include that..but to say it's not part of my lifestyle wouldnt make sense because it consumes a good portion of my life.

By doing that JOB. You are living a part of that LIFESTYLE..you are bisexual...and there's nothing wrong with that for those people who choose it.

but I cant agree with someone who performs gay acts on the regular and then say they're 100% straight. naw
So if you are a garbage man, should you be considered trash, or some low level person not worthy of respect, due to your job?
 
Does it define all of me? No...does it define part of me? Indeed

I work for a non profit drug recovery program so yes, I have other parts of my lifestyle that dont include that..but to say it's not part of my lifestyle wouldnt make sense because it consumes a good portion of my life.

By doing that JOB. You are living a part of that LIFESTYLE..you are bisexual...and there's nothing wrong with that for those people who choose it.

but I cant agree with someone who performs gay acts on the regular and then say they're 100% straight. naw
So if you are a garbage man, should you be considered trash, or some low level person not worthy of respect, due to your job?
If you are a garbage man consider yourself a man who is a part of keeping a neighborhood and city clean.

Yes, as a garbage man take pride that you have duties that maintain a standard of clean and good living.

Keep trying mate
 
It blows my mind that there are still people who believe that homosexuality is a choice. If you had to think about whether you're straight or gay, you're bisexual at best. Plain and simple.
 
If you are a garbage man consider yourself a man who is a part of keeping a neighborhood and city clean.

Yes, as a garbage man take pride that you have duties that maintain a standard of clean and good living.

Keep trying mate
Trying? 
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 You are now changing your position, because according to the logic that you are applying, you are what you do. If someone collects trash, then they are indeed the trash that they collect. If you are an actor having sex with the same sex, then you are indeed gay or at least, bi sexual.

If that's the case, every actor that has an intimate scene with another actor of the same sex, must be bi or gay as well.
 
If you are a garbage man consider yourself a man who is a part of keeping a neighborhood and city clean.

Yes, as a garbage man take pride that you have duties that maintain a standard of clean and good living.

Keep trying mate
Trying? 
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 You are now changing your position, because according to the logic that you are applying, you are what you do. If someone collects trash, then they are indeed the trash that they collect. If you are an actor having sex with the same sex, then you are indeed gay or at least, bi sexual.

If that's the case, every actor that has an intimate scene with another actor of the same sex, must be bi or gay as well.
Im changing?...did I say you are what you do? or did I say it's a part of you?

I said a trash man is what he collects? no you said that....look over my post again (cause you ignored every word I said in it) and please point out where I tried to claim that nonsense

anyways I'm done with this, you win...back to this game
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It blows my mind that there are still people who believe that homosexuality is a choice. If you had to think about whether you're straight or gay, you're bisexual at best. Plain and simple.
Here's the deal, if there weren't those who were sexually abused, then CHOOSING to go in the opposite direction due to that experience, you may have a leg to stand on regarding to people being born gay, or even straight.

All of the research has been proven to be inconclusive.
 
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Im changing?...did I say you are what you do? or did I say it's a part of you?

I said a trash man is what he collects? no you said that....look over my post again (cause you ignored every word I said in it) and please point out where I tried to claim that nonsense

anyways I'm done with this, you win...back to this game
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Im out
Yes, you are changing your tune, if it is a part of you, then it is also YOU as well. BTW, I am not trying to get you to admit to anything, so you don't have to duck and dodge...
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Here's the deal, if there weren't those who were sexually abused, then CHOOSING to go in the opposite direction due to that experience, you may have a leg to stand on regarding to people being born gay, or even straight.

All of the research has been proven to be inconclusive.
How many children are actually conscious of their sexuality? And how might a traumatic experience distort one's perceptions of sexuality? Also, considering that sexual abuse isn't exactly a choice, how can you say they're choosing to be homosexual? 

Like I said, if you had to actually think about your sexuality you're not entirely heterosexual. I don't know if I'm some strange minority, but I naturally gravitated towards being attracted to women. There was no "choice" about it. I can't help what I like.
 
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How many children are actually conscious of their sexuality? And how might a traumatic experience distort one's perceptions of sexuality? Also, considering that sexual abuse isn't exactly a choice, how can you say they're choosing to be homosexual? 

Like I said, if you had to actually think about your sexuality you're not entirely heterosexual. I don't know if I'm some strange minority, but I naturally gravitated towards being attracted to women. There was no "choice" about it. I can't help what I like.
Kids at all ages are aware of what hurts them, and young women do know that when someone who is supposed to protect them, are actually causing them harm.

I know of too many women who are now gay, due to their supposed uncle forcibly  touching them in that way, when they were children. They were traumatized, just like I know of young boys who were molested by people at an early age as well, with those acts determining their future decisions in regard to interpersonal relationships.

What you need to realize is that they've never found a straight gene either.   
 
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Are prisoners gay?

There is such a thing as situational homosexuality: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_homosexuality

Interesting nuance to this argument.
Nah nah nah. I've discussed this thoroughly in sociology, psychology and criminology classes, them dudes gay, it just took a desperate situation to bring it out of them.

I'd sooner become a Muslim extremist, Buddhist monk, and Jewish priest after joining the Aryan nation before I commit a homosexual act in prison. I'll be in the solitary everyday if somebody tries me, just attack the guards and then go to my hole and be alone.
 
Here's the deal, if there weren't those who were sexually abused, then CHOOSING to go in the opposite direction due to that experience, you may have a leg to stand on regarding to people being born gay, or even straight.

All of the research has been proven to be inconclusive.
the fact that people who were sexually abused "choose" to pursue homosexuality doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people that acknowledge that they've been attracted to the same sex ever since they can recall attraction to others.
 
Ok. Lets get this straight.

Lets not rely on what we "THINK"...that leads to errors.

There is a LOT of evidence that you can be born gay...Theres tons of data out there so lets not be so prone to speculation on serious topics. Do the research. 
The research has been done, and all has been shown to be inconclusive. They have not found a gay gene, nor how brain function actually determines human sexuality. 
NOW you're talking reckless. 

I already posted the video to break it down to you.

Now I have to just beat you over the head with facts.

There IS a genetic component to homosexuality as well as aspects of sexual dimorphism and hormonal impacts during pregnancy.

Without a specific gene (or genes) known to cause homosexuality, the best you can find are twin studies. The theory being that if sexual orientation is genetically based, then monozygotic twins should both be homosexual or both heterosexual. Similarly, dizygotic twins would have the same orientation more often than predicted by chance alone but less often than monozygotic twins. The brass ring are monozygotic twins that were raised in different households. That let's you get a better grasp of genetics vs environment. Adoption studies provide the opposite piece of the puzzle, where you can study people who grew up in the same household but are not genetically related.Here's a website with some twin study information. http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.htmlYou'll have to do some background research yourself to see if he's representing the studies accurately but it looks like they have at least some evidence for both genetic and environmental components. I'm sure somebody has done a more in depth review somewhere. Another starting point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Twin_studies

Homosexuality, if it can be completely targeted to a set of genes is more than likely polygenic. 

It's important to remember that the idea of a 'homosexual person' is a relatively recent, extremely social construct - even though homosexual behaviour is very natural (and as has been said, has been seen a lot in the animal kingdom) the idea of exclusive homosexual pair bonding or similar is not at all common - most likely, if our ancestors (say, great great great etc uncle fred) engaged in homosexual behaviour, he would likely also engage in heterosexual behaviour opportunistically - you can see what this might have been like by studying our closest living relatives, bonobos , who engage in a lot of homosexual activity (but still mate in a heterosexual manner).Culturally the idea that a person can be 'a homosexual' rather than just participating in homosexual acts is very new - except for the last 200 years or so 'homosexual' as a concept didn't really exist, particularly not as applied to women - it's important not to look at evolutionary history with sociology goggles on.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/22/the_invention_of_the_heterosexual/

Oh don't forget this nugget that every neuroscience/psychology student learns these days. There are BIOLOGICAL areas of the brain that differ:

There are several biological differences that have been observed between heterosexual men and homosexual men, including some differences in brain structure. The Third Interstitial Nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus (INAH3) is shown to be different sizes in homosexual men as opposed to heterosexual men. The INAH-3 in homosexual men is smaller than heterosexual men and similar in size to heterosexual women. Another area of the brain called the suprachiasmic nucleus (SCN) is, on average, twice the size in homosexual men than heterosexual men. Homosexual men also have higher levels of circulating androgens (a class of hormones including testosterone) and have larger penises on average than heterosexual men. Homosexual women are thought to be exposed to higher levels of androgens during prenatal development as seen in Phoenix et al 1959. I'm skeptical that there is one gene that controls for homosexuality, as partner preference is very complex, but I'm fairly certain that is biological in nature.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.full.pdf
I prefer to call the exclusively gay lifestyle a choice, but not to disparage anyone. As was shown in the example of situational homosexuality, some people do it, simply because they can.
No one cares what you "prefer" to do.

We're talking about science.

Science is based on evidence or the accumulation of such. Now I don't really care what your opinion on the matter is but I have a VERY short patience for people who think that their personal preference to support an argument trumps all the data that says otherwise. 

Lets not do this...unless you're going to do us all a favor and show us where homosexuality is ONLY a choice. If you want to head to pubmed, I'd love to see what you can pull.

Homosexuality isn't ONLY a choice. 

You can't pray the gay away.

You can't turn it "off"

Gay conversion therapy doesn't work: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/h...zes-for-study-on-gay-cure.html?pagewanted=all
In some circles, men participate in buggery, in order to emasculate other men, then showing a form of dominance.
We're not talking about rape/forced sex. We're talking about about SEXUAL ATTRACTION. 

Stop thinking that the only thing "gay" is just making the decision to have sex with members of the same sex.

And why are you only talking about male homosexuality?

You see how flawed your stance is? Put this in context. Homosexuality isn't ONLY a male thing...I've already peeped how you're framing this argument from your responses in this thread. 




Even in some Gay relationships, sex may not even exist between the couples at all, just as with some straight couples, as it is simply a matter of companionship.
So? 

You know not ever heterosexual relationship includes sex...right? 

I'm going to challenge you to educate yourself on the modern thinking in neuroscience, evolutionary biology, and psychology that try to tackle these questions. Taking the sophomoric attempt at just philosophizing on your own thoughts without any evidence or corroborating studies to back your claims up.

Lets not be prone to miseducation and misunderstanding.

Your "opinion" doesn't matter in this case. Its about the evidence and FACTUALLY, you are off-base.



ALSO: "Genetic factors increase fecundity in female maternal relatives of bisexual men as in homosexuals.": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18637994

ALSO lets not forget that there have been 1500 species of other animals that exhibit homosexuality

ALSO: the younger brothers tend to be gay more often than not: http://www.pnas.org/content/103/28/10771.long

ALSO: Peep the link between prenatal hormones and sexual orientation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation (read the sources)
 
the fact that people who were sexually abused "choose" to pursue homosexuality doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of people that acknowledge that they've been attracted to the same sex ever since they can recall attraction to others.
As stated earlier, it is the nature versus nurture debate. However, all of the evidence that points to nature, has been proven to be inconclusive.

If you were born that way, genetically, there'd be something to prove it, pro or con.
 
Kids at all ages are aware of what hurts them, and young women do know that when someone who is supposed to protect them, are actually causing them harm.

I know of too many women who are now gay, due to their supposed uncle forcibly  touching them in that way, when they were children. They were traumatized, just like I know of young boys who were molested by people at an early age as well, with those acts determining their future decisions in regard to interpersonal relationships.

What you need to realize is that they've never found a straight gene either.   
Oh...so you're pretty much not going to address any of my questions.
 
Two very basic sociological arguments to combat this sort of petulant inanity. 

1. When did you choose to be straight?

2. Considering the sheer hatred usually expressed towards gays over the course of recorded human history, why would any one want to voluntarily subject themselves to that?
 
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