***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

-My point is that anyone, any black person has the right to choose the preferred candidate. There are plenty of legit reason to vote for Clinton over Bernie, especially for a black person. Bernie went around campaigning with black people just like Hillary. He did it for the same reason as Hillary, yo show that the concerns of the black community is important to his campaign.


You trying to imply that Hillary's actions were disingenuous because higher profile people supported her? That proves nothing


-brah Bernie voted FOR Bill's tough on crime bill, even saying on the House flaw that the bill would hurt African Americans.


And the states he represents are one of the worst offenders of locking up black people disproportionately.


Either both get a break, both get to bring a context to explain away their actions, or both get the **** you. You can't give it to one and got the other, both those Clinton's and Sanders hands are dirty with that piece of **** legislation.


And since that is the case, both should be campaigning that they will making undoing the damage priority. Clinton did it at the start of her campaign. It took Bernie months and getting ran up on twice to finally get the message.


-Yes it is the truth. Bernie Sanders is getting the attention expect someone with his poll numbers to get. Plus the person that is stealing all the attention he could be getting is not Hillary, it is Donald Trump. LINK


-Your "voter suppression helps Hillary" argument doesn't make much sense. Voter suppression is target at mainly minorities. Hillary is winning the minority vote at by a good clip.


So if anything, the laws helped Bernie because more potential Hillary voters got turned away in the South, and they give out delegates proportionately.

You linked a Washington Post article that states Bernie Sanders has less media coverage than the other candidates. Did you mean to prove my point? Why does it seem like you're still arguing with me?

The Washington Post also endorses Hillary Clinton btw. 

You have a point with the crime bill but Bernie Sanders supported the part of the bill that banned assault rifles as a representative of the house. He also spoke out against the face that in disproportionately affect African Americans not for it. Vermont is 95% white. The states incarceration rate of black people reflected what was happening in the country as a whole. In spite of all of this even you support Bernie Sanders. Why?

Again, a no vote for Bernie Sanders should not equal a vote for Hillary but it did. I proposed that it had to do with the media coverage. Her support from the congressional black caucus and cases of voter suppression

I think you're argument is he is not getting his message across? Honestly I'm not sure what your argument really is lol.

-My argument is that your original post was not based on facts.

-I support Bernie Sanders because I believe that America should moved towards social democracy. People have the right to disagree with the someone and still support them, even vote for them.

And if someone doesn't want to vote for Bernie Sanders, there next best option among the major candidates is Hillary Clinton, if you go strictly by the issues.

-The WaPo article states that Bernie is getting lil coverage because that's the level of coverage a candidate in his position would get, and Trump's rise is stealing anyway any extra attention he could have gotten for his "revolution"

And the Washington Post has not endorsed Hillary Clinton.

 

[the red model]

 
"You want a legit reason to vote FOR Clinton over Sanders. Well here it is, Hillary can pay for the stuff she is promising, Bernie can't explain how he is going to pay for all that he is promising without running big deficits."

Where are the facts to support this? This is pure conjecture. 

 

[sundoobie]

I was watching some Trump rally speeches on the xbox youtube app while playing The Division and unlocked the achievement for watching 5 hours of comedy 
It boggles my mind how any educated person can listen to this and think "This is my man, I'll go vote for him"
Constant deflecting and using the exact same catchphrases over and over again which somehow seems to work on his crowd.
"This [insert talking point here] is bad, it is very very bad. I will fix it, we will fix it and you're gonna love it. Believe me, you will. America is not winning at this moment, I will make us win again. Believe me."
He rarely ever mentions any sort of strategy or concrete plans to achieve these things but the crowd eats it up like he's preaching holy gospel.
I must say it's actually quite impressive how he's manipulating all these people, he definitely knows what he's doing in that regard.

I am not defending Trump but what you're saying is basic political grandstanding.. basic politician strategy just like discrediting/fear mongering/placating and Trump has mastered it all on his low information voters. Strategy or concrete plans are complete bull anyways. Just look at all that anti-war rhetoric or Hope/Change Obama was preaching back in 08.. it was nothing more than utter nonsense when you look back on it now. Yes I get it Obama is a splendid speaker and inspirational however the substance of it of it was all bull which is the same with all these politicians today in 16.

 

[RustyShackleford]

 
"You want a legit reason to vote FOR Clinton over Sanders. Well here it is, Hillary can pay for the stuff she is promising, Bernie can't explain how he is going to pay for all that he is promising without running big deficits."

Where are the facts to support this? This is pure conjecture. 

Nice try baby pa.

LINK

Furthermore, criticism from the RIGHT, and one the LEFT

Bernie Sander's plans are based on the assumption that the economy will take off as a result from them.

 

[the red model]

Nice try baby pa.

LINK

Furthermore, criticism from the RIGHT, and one the LEFT

Bernie Sander's plans are based on the assumption that the economy will take off as a result from them.

You endorse the man and then attempt to disprove the his claims that YOU also support by linking his political rivals.

I don't get that. Why support him then?

Wait, I kind of get it. You'd lay waste to your own political beliefs just to win an argument on a sneaker forum. Good luck voting lol.

 

[Armada]

I know you're asking Rusty but ill say just because you support someone doesnt mean they should be free of criticism.

 

[the red model]

 
I know you're asking Rusty but ill say just because you support someone doesnt mean they should be free of criticism.

I agree but I never made the point that Bernie should be free of criticism. I just criticized Hillary. 

 

[ninjahood]

Nice try baby pa.

LINK


Furthermore, criticism from the RIGHT, and one the LEFT


Bernie Sander's plans are based on the assumption that the economy will take off as a result from them.

You endorse the man and then attempt to disprove the his claims that YOU also support by linking his political rivals.

I don't get that. Why support him then?

Wait, I kind of get it. You'd lay waste to your own political beliefs just to win an argument on a sneaker forum. Good luck voting lol.

Being objective >> political ideology.

 

[651akathepaul]

ninjahood is refreshing. 'Bout goddamn time!

 

[AEA18]

ninjahood is refreshing. 'Bout goddamn time!

 

[blco02]

I was watching some Trump rally speeches on the xbox youtube app while playing The Division and unlocked the achievement for watching 5 hours of comedy 
It boggles my mind how any educated person can listen to this and think "This is my man, I'll go vote for him"
Constant deflecting and using the exact same catchphrases over and over again which somehow seems to work on his crowd.
"This [insert talking point here] is bad, it is very very bad. I will fix it, we will fix it and you're gonna love it. Believe me, you will. America is not winning at this moment, I will make us win again. Believe me."
He rarely ever mentions any sort of strategy or concrete plans to achieve these things but the crowd eats it up like he's preaching holy gospel.
I must say it's actually quite impressive how he's manipulating all these people, he definitely knows what he's doing in that regard.

At which Clinton or Sanders rally have they given exact specifics? Especially Bernie and how he plans to pay for his giveaways.

Obama didn't give specifics, it was all Hope and Change and I was against the war.

 

[dathbgboy]

Debating on whether or not I should go to the Sanders rally tomorrow and come in to work late

 

[Belgium]

At which Clinton or Sanders rally have they given exact specifics? Especially Bernie and how he plans to pay for his giveaways.

Obama didn't give specifics, it was all Hope and Change and I was against the war.

All politicians do this but there's a clear difference between Trump and other candidates in this regard. Trump says things like "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" and that's it. I'm not expecting a thesis or 100% exact specifics on how they intend to enact their plans but the other candidates at least give me a general idea of what they will be doing and how they intend to do it.

 

[ninjahood]

At which Clinton or Sanders rally have they given exact specifics? Especially Bernie and how he plans to pay for his giveaways.

Obama didn't give specifics, it was all Hope and Change and I was against the war.

All politicians do this but there's a clear difference between Trump and other candidates in this regard. Trump says things like "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" and that's it. I'm not expecting a thesis or 100% exact specifics on how they intend to enact their plans but the other candidates at least give me a general idea of what they will be doing and how they intend to do it.

Sounds like "hope And change"

And in other news...

Straight DNC shenanigans...

 

[dathbgboy]

At which Clinton or Sanders rally have they given exact specifics? Especially Bernie and how he plans to pay for his giveaways.

Obama didn't give specifics, it was all Hope and Change and I was against the war.

All politicians do this but there's a clear difference between Trump and other candidates in this regard. Trump says things like "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" and that's it. I'm not expecting a thesis or 100% exact specifics on how they intend to enact their plans but the other candidates at least give me a general idea of what they will be doing and how they intend to do it.

Sounds like "hope And change"

And in other news...

Straight DNC shenanigans...

That should really push ppl to support Bernie more in opposition to this mess It's been evident from day 1 that she was their candidate.

 

[Belgium]

The Trumptrain of ignorance isn't stopping any time soon:
Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be."
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...i-they-re-destroying-very-good-person-n548036

 

[deleted]

WOW

I wonder how his base will rationalize this one

 

[rillo561]

Well, that's just the liberal media trying to destroy Trump of course.

 

[Belgium]

Well, that's just the liberal media trying to destroy Trump of course.

The sad thing is there's actually people who stand by this. US media does seem very biased to me especially in comparison to ours but at the end of the day Trump is destroying himself by spewing a constant stream of ignorance.

 

[ninjahood]

WOW

I wonder how his base will rationalize this one

He definitely tryin to poach those Wisconsin evangelist from Ted Cruz, but tbh? Chris Matthews to his credit painted him in a corner and he just said "eff it" and rolled da dice.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

At what point do you stop giving Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt ninjahood ?

 

[sundoobie]

Trump is using the classic 'pandering' strategy to the Jesus folks. Watch him start citing scripture in a speech!

 

[rillo561]

The sad thing is there's actually people who stand by this. US media does seem very biased to me especially in comparison to ours but at the end of the day Trump is destroying himself by spewing a constant stream of ignorance.

Na, it's always someone else's fault. He's very Presidential and makes good dealz.

 

[AEA18]

sundoobie

He tried that already

“Two Corinthians, 3:17,” Mr. Trump said. The many students in attendance on Monday chuckled, as the standard reference to that chapter of Scripture is “Second Corinthians.” But Mr. Trump was undeterred.

“That’s the whole ballgame. ‘Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty,’” he said, quoting the Bible. “And here there is liberty.”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ripture-sort-of-at-liberty-university-speech/

 

[the red model]

A case against Bernie

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Sounds like "hope And change"

And in other news...



Straight DNC shenanigans...