***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rolaholic]

Obama campaigned to close Guantanamo Bay in 08, ultimately never got it done. Circumstances call against action. I wouldn't stress "the wall" until you see materials gathered.


Still surreal he pulled the upset.

I'm sayin.

People so stuck on the wall like we don't already have fences

I could care less about a wall.

His plans on targeting Muslims and foreign affairs are our biggest issue.

But then again, it's a long process to enact policies like that.

The checks and balances in place as safeguards are basically unhinged though now that he has a majority in both houses to work with...

The GOP is emboldened to pass/confirm whatever/whoever almost with impunity for 2 years

 

[whywesteppin]

so in the same way the constitution may protect England from brexit, perhaps Hillary could appeal to the wisdom of Federalist number 68 and the fact that she won the popular vote to get the election.

In justifying the use of the Electoral College, Hamilton focuses on a few arguments dealing with why the college is used, as opposed to direct election. First, in explaining the role of the general populace in the election of the president, Hamilton argues that the "sense of the people", through the election of the electors to the college, should have a part of the process. The final say, however, lies with the electors, who Hamilton notes are

"Men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice."

Therefore, the direct election of the president is left up to those who have been selected by the voters to become the electors. The indirect election is justified by Hamilton because while a republic is still served, the system allows for only a certain type of person to be elected president, preventing individuals who are unfit for a variety of reasons to be in the position of chief executive of the country.

This is reflected in his later fears about the types of people who could potentially become president. He worries that corrupted individuals could potentially be elected president, particularly those who are either more directly associated with a foreign state, or individuals who do not have the capacity to run the country.

 

[solemate96]

I am just so disappointed in America right now. For all minorities and the poor. I just don't know what is going to happen and everything we have fought for as a country is going to go down the drain.

I feel we are going to be back in Civil Rights America again. This time, it will be televised.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

People really elected a man who wants to create a gestapo to round up Mexicans and Muslims. Amazing.

 

[rolaholic]

Hillary would have even less of a shot than Al Gore had of going that route with the popular vote, she did worse in a lot of areas than even he did

 

[lamekilla]

This wake up call was needed. Too many stood on the side lines saying their vote didn't count. Even I myself was skeptical and told myself if I voted it would go toward the libertarian candidate. Luckily I came to my senses and do what I felt was right and voted Hilary to promote change and progress. Today I will have to hear the whines and moans of people who acted like they gave a **** about politics. I'm looking every person dead in face and saying if you didn't vote, shut the **** up. Plain and simple.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

This wake up call was needed. Too many stood on the side lines saying their vote didn't count. Even I myself was skeptical and told myself if I voted it would go toward the libertarian candidate. Luckily I came to my senses and do what I felt was right and voted Hilary to promote change and progress. Today I will have to hear the whines and moans of people who acted like they gave a **** about politics. I'm looking every person dead in face and saying if you didn't vote, shut the **** up. Plain and simple.

Worse than that are the people who wasted their vote on a third party thinking it would send a message.

 

[teamjordan79]

People really elected a man who wants to create a gestapo to round up Mexicans and Muslims. Amazing.

Repeat it a few more times. Maybe it'll become true.

Meanwhile...

 

[kingkoopa]

 

 

Obama campaigned to close Guantanamo Bay in 08, ultimately never got it done. Circumstances call against action. I wouldn't stress "the wall" until you see materials gathered.


Still surreal he pulled the upset.

I'm sayin.

People so stuck on the wall like we don't already have fences

I could care less about a wall.

His plans on targeting Muslims and foreign affairs are our biggest issue.

But then again, it's a long process to enact policies like that.

The checks and balances in place as safeguards are basically unhinged though now that he has a majority in both houses to work with...

The GOP is emboldened to pass/confirm whatever/whoever almost with impunity for 2 years

Yeah but your forgetting he had the Republican party in shambles.

Not sure who his true allies are.

 

[rolaholic]

 

 

Obama campaigned to close Guantanamo Bay in 08, ultimately never got it done. Circumstances call against action. I wouldn't stress "the wall" until you see materials gathered.



Still surreal he pulled the upset.

I'm sayin.


People so stuck on the wall like we don't already have fences


I could care less about a wall.


His plans on targeting Muslims and foreign affairs are our biggest issue.


But then again, it's a long process to enact policies like that.

The checks and balances in place as safeguards are basically unhinged though now that he has a majority in both houses to work with...


The GOP is emboldened to pass/confirm whatever/whoever almost with impunity for 2 years

Yeah but your forgetting he had the Republican party in shambles.

Not sure who his true allies are.

Hmm *zo.gif*

I wonder if some of them hold a grudge...

In seriousness though,their base would likely make them pay for any party insurrection

 

[ninjahood]

Here I thought white women vould come to Hill's rescue...

Obviously Trump didn't piss them off nearly enough seeing as they voted for him overwhelmingly with over 55%

Chris Brown's prosperous career taught me women weren't monolithic either.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

He's not the first Democrat president to have an adversarial Congress. Look at Lincoln and Lyndon.

 The same Lincoln you and your fellow "Rubio" Drumpf supporters were ready to crucify Hillary over because of a private message where she praised how he strategically maneuvered back and forth so that the Congress would pass the 13th Amendment? Spare me your hypocritical lectures.

 

[whywesteppin]

Here I thought white women vould come to Hill's rescue...

Obviously Trump didn't piss them off nearly enough seeing as they voted for him overwhelmingly with over 55%

Chris Brown's prosperous career taught me women weren't monolithic either.

people will reap what they sow.

many life lessons will be learnt.

 

[rolaholic]

At least the old electoral college debate was settled...right?

 

[seandon23]

That blame Republicans shtick is old. He was a bad leader. He's not the first Democrat president to have an adversarial Congress. Look at Lincoln and Lyndon. He was a great campaigner but poor leader. He lacked the skill and will(which he admits) to do the day to day schmoozing that comes with the Presidency. That's why he failed. And if you'd like some books that detail this I will recommend some. Start with the Audacity of Hope and then The Audacity to Win. If you need more ask. Because I've read and own a bunch. It's the books that give you a true insight into a President's mindset. **** interviews, articles, and op-eds.

It's the truth though they never wanted to work with him and obstructed him from being able to do many of the things he wanted to do. You can say he was a weak leader all you want but the fact remains that again the tea party movement as well as the far right wing shift in the Republican Party lead to an uncooperative party that was unwilling to exhibit bipartisanship

 

[AZwildcats]

This wake up call was needed. Too many stood on the side lines saying their vote didn't count. Even I myself was skeptical and told myself if I voted it would go toward the libertarian candidate. Luckily I came to my senses and do what I felt was right and voted Hilary to promote change and progress. Today I will have to hear the whines and moans of people who acted like they gave a **** about politics. I'm looking every person dead in face and saying if you didn't vote, shut the **** up. Plain and simple.

Simple as that

 

[whywesteppin]

for those needing some laughs, onion has a lot of good election articles up.

 

[crownedhead]

This wake up call was needed. Too many stood on the side lines saying their vote didn't count. Even I myself was skeptical and told myself if I voted it would go toward the libertarian candidate. Luckily I came to my senses and do what I felt was right and voted Hilary to promote change and progress. Today I will have to hear the whines and moans of people who acted like they gave a **** about politics. I'm looking every person dead in face and saying if you didn't vote, shut the **** up. Plain and simple.

Worse than that are the people who wasted their vote on a third party thinking it would send a message.

Such fools.

 

[Belgium]

Still feels like I woke up in a nightmare
This man will singlehandedly undo decades of progress. Once he appoints his supreme court justice so you can probably say goodbye to LGBT rights, legal abortion and any possibility of fixing systemic racism issues like discriminatory voter ID laws

 

[daddy style]

Kaaaaay. I see we have more "evil white people" rhetoric.

I'm a white man who voted for Obama. Twice. Does that mean I didn't want him to be POTUS?

I guess by your logic I should have voted FOR Trump and not against him. Then maybe he wouldn't have won.

Your logic is illogical.

White supremacy is illogical, white privilege is also illogical, and if you are indeed white, you benefit from what is illogical even if you are in denial of that fact.

 

[miamib30514]

Catatonic. THEY took their country back.

 

[getback]

 

[rillo561]

Congrats to ninjahood you didn't waiver on the Trump support and he pulled it off. The crow is extra chewy this morning.

 

[Belgium]

Well you always got Canada when/if things go really sour

 

[seandon23]

Well you always got Canada when/if things go really sour

I hear Canada is lovely this time of year