Originally Posted by Rico x Hood
First off it's not my success. It's my parents. They worked hard. I'm workING hard. I'll never take their success as my own. And I believe that you all live in a world where you think everyone is supposed to be successful. That's not reality. There will always be winners and lowers. Haves and have not. For those that have kids or younger siblings or even someone you mentor,I'm sure you always have an example of a person that they should not become. It's life.
All these roadblocks and adversities that people need to overcome to flourish are just a part of life. But individuals can make it through without being on the tax payers teat. People have literally been doing for years.
The problem with you all is that you want to help EVERYBODY. And that's the flaw in liberal logic. Everybody is not meant to be successful, it's not a right,it's a privilege.
My future is very uncertain I still have no degree and not in the field I want. But my beliefs are what keep me going because I've seen it and lived it. At my age my parents were still living with theirs so I'm already ahead, or possibly behind depending on how you view the financial toll. But whatever. We create our own destinies and forge our own paths. Nobody should care about you more than you do.
I remember you saying you personally did well under Obama so I figured you were fairly successful. Depending on how you define it.
I would define successful as having a good job, not struggling to make ends meet, a good amount of savings in the event of emergency costs and having a decent social life. I see things like the ideal job or degree as milestones that can be attained after being successful already, not a prerequisite for being successful.
I agree that not everyone is meant to be successful, as you said that is not a realistic goal. The idea that being successful is a right is a mischaracterization of my views, and probably the views of others in this thread.
Instead, I think it's very important to push for a system that aims to provide equal opportunities to succeed to as many people as possibly, particularly the less fortunate.
What I mean by that is for example, low-cost education, a good healthcare system and improving systemic discrimination.
Those are not "handouts", those ideals are seen as basic rights over here because they aim to provide as many people as possible the same opportunities. Even by those who identify as far-right on the political spectrum.
Outrageous education costs do not benefit anyone but for-profit schools/colleges. As I've said before, the tuition for our top university is capped at €890 a year. Scholarships based on financial status can reduce that tuition to a mere €125 a year. On top of that you can also receive a student grant that can range up to €5000 and does not require to be paid back provided you follow the terms of service and complete your education.
This is to provide the opportunity to go to college/university for as many people as possible, which benefits everyone. But it especially benefits those who are struggling financially and who may not have pursued higher education if the costs were far too high. That gives them a chance to get a good degree and enter the job market for a higher paying job, thus increasing their odds to rise up the ranks in terms of financial status.
The same premise applies to a good healthcare system. Nobody benefits from a poor and outrageously expensive healthcare system besides the for-profit health industry. Anyone can get sick at any point without any prior indications. Myself for example, going from perfectly healthy to disabled in only 2-3 years. Ask yourself how more sick people, and on top of that more people spiralling down into poverty or financial struggle as a result of being sick and a poor healthcare system, benefits society. Hint: it doesn't.
A good universal healthcare system and low-cost education are not "handouts". They are basic rights that greatly benefit society as a whole.
It is not handing out success to people, it is providing them with more equal opportunities to succeed.
To argue otherwise is misplaced criticism.
As a final note, I wish you the best in your path to your definition of success. But I urge you to consider how those ideals benefit society as a whole.