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[h1]For Religious Conservatives, Election Was A 'Disaster'[/h1]

by BARBARA BRADLEY HAGERTY

November 08, 2012  3:00 PM

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Attendees pray during The Family Research Council's Values Voter Summit on Sept. 14 in Washington, D.C.
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Many religious conservatives thought this might be the year of an evangelical comeback, when voters would throw President Obama out because of his support of same-sex marriage and abortion, and his health plan's birth control mandate. It didn't work out that way.

"I think this was an evangelical disaster," says Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.

Mohler says white evangelicals moved in lockstep: Seventy-nine percent voted for Republican Mitt Romney, the same percentage as voted for President George W. Bush in 2004. He says they boldly telegraphed their concerns about Obama, and "our message was rejected by millions of Americans who went to the polls and voted according to a contrary worldview."

Mohler says there's a danger that evangelicals won't see this larger lesson — that they will say Obama won because of his unique story and personality.

"No, it was far more than that," he says. "Four states dealt with the issue of same-sex marriage and after 31 to 33 straight victories, we've been handed a rather comprehensive set of defeats on the issue of the integrity of marriage."

That, and the legalization of marijuana in some states, are examples of what Mohler calls "a seismic moral shift in the culture."

Others say 2012 revealed another shift.

"The understanding that the evangelical vote is a kingmaking vote, I think, is now dead," says Shaun Casey, a professor at Wesley Theological Seminary and a former Obama adviser. He says evangelicals pulled out all the stops to unseat the president.

"Billy Graham and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association bought full-page ads in newspapers; that made no difference," he says. "Ralph Reed spent tens of millions of dollars getting out the vote in battleground states; that didn't make the difference. And you add all of that up, and it was not enough because of the changing demographics of our country."

"The power of this group to shape elections," says Greg Smith, a senior researcher at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, "is limited by its size."

"They do turn out," he says. "A quarter of the electorate described themselves as white evangelicals. It's just that that's not enough to overcome the strong Democratic support of other religious groups."

Smith says Obama won 95 percent of black Protestants, three-quarters of Hispanic Catholics, 7 out of 10 Jewish voters and 70 percent of religiously unaffiliated voters, which is the fastest-growing segment of "religion."

Early on, there were signs that the power of religious conservatives might be waning, says political scientist Mark Rozell at George Mason University. In the primaries, conservative religious leaders kept trying to crown various candidates: Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum — just to avoid the Mormon, Romney, as the party nominee.

"But they ended up with Mitt Romney as the party nominee," he observes, "showcasing that their power wasn't all that great — in part because they didn't have a unifying message nor a figure who could unite them."

Rozell says in their political heyday — in the 1980s and '90s — evangelicals had the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition to mobilize them. They had Pat Robertson and James Dobson to inform and inspire them.

"But today, there really is no single leader or group of leaders who are directing the religious conservative movement," he says. "And so it seems to many to be splintered or directionless."

Mohler at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary says evangelicals now need to approach politics in a fundamentally different way. They need to bend a little on issues of lesser importance — for example, supporting candidates who have different ideas about the role of government — but who agree with them on marriage and life issues. And most important, Mohler says, evangelicals need to reach beyond their suburban walls.

"If we do not become the movement of younger Americans and Hispanic Americans and any number of other Americans, then we will just become a retirement community," he says. "And that cannot, that cannot,  serve the cause of Christ."

And, as this election shows, minorities are the growth area of both politics andreligion.

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Rove is out here scrambling:
[h1]Karl Rove: Obama ‘succeeded by suppressing the vote’[/h1]
By Eric W. Dolan
Thursday, November 8, 2012 17:33 EST


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Republican political strategist Karl Rove on Thursday claimed that President Barack Obama was re-elected because he was able to suppress voters.

During an appearance on Fox News, Rove claimed that Obama had not gotten more people to vote for him, compared to 2008. Instead, Obama successfully retained his 2008 supporters and convinced voters not to cast their ballots for his Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

“He succeeded by suppressing the vote, by saying to people, ‘You may not like who I am and I know you can’t bring yourself to vote for me, but I’m going to paint this other guy as simply a rich guy who only cares about himself,’” he said.

But Rove didn’t provide evidence that Obama had prevented anyone from voting, only that his campaign had convinced Americans not to vote for Romney.

“Fifty-three percent in the exit polls said on Election Day that Mitt Romney’s policies would only help the rich,” he continued. “And they voted for Obama by a 9 to 1 margin. Of the 21 percent of the electorate who said that the most important characteristic in a president was that he cares about people like me, they voted for President Obama by almost a 9 to 1 margin. They effectively denigrated Mitt Romney’s character, business acumen, business experience and made him unworthy.”

On election night, Rove had refused to accept  the fact that Romney lost. The Republican strategist had predicted  that Romney would win the popular vote and at least 279 Electoral College votes.

Watch video, via Media Matters, below:


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After the race was called, I turned it onto FNC and there was Rove with that stupid marker board trying to rationalize with numbers how it wasn't "over" yet.


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Libertarians are idiots, most of them just wanna dissolve the whole government... If they had some knowledge and maybe momentum from some GOP members they'd make noise... Getting rid of the whole government won't do too much to benefit lmao. Time for the GOP to push states rights.

Oh, I love these kinds of people. I don't understand why it is so hard to fathom that society wouldn't be able to survive without "government". Government is basically an organized crime family who has monopolized violence. It controls what you can put into your body, it steals your money under the guise of "general welfare", spies on you, ect. Pretty much violating every right you have, but this country has been desensitized because of false bogeymans.

People would be better off having Tony Soprano and his family running things than the government. Why? wars are bad for business and they have a financial incentive that people are supplied with whatever they want.

You'll have that lame rebuttal, "Who will build the roads?!?!111!!" like slabs of concrete are some architectural genius that only government came up with. Roads existed before government, they existed before the Federal Income Tax. The first railroads in this country were private, companies in the east needed a way to get their goods to Chicago, so they paid companies to build their railroads for a price and they paid people to keep them up. Government got involved because they found a way to tax (go figure) because of interstate commerce.

The GOP had a Ron Paul people issue this election. On top of people that probably stayed home, or were registered Democrats.

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Unfortunately for them, they are too stupid to realize that you need a lot of youth in your electorate, and they disenfranchised them during the convention. People don't want to vote who the party says is "electable" people vote for people who have conviction. People knew what they were getting with Obama, Bush I/II, Clinton, Reagan, ect.


Officially the Tea Party is dead. :pimp: and hopefully NeoCons are next. :pimp:



Gotta laugh at all these clowns on my Facebook posting their "My Vote Counted" stickers. No, no it didn't. :lol: I live in Miami btw.
 
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SEALs have been Hollywood. The Green Berets coined the nickname "Quiet Professionals", they never seek attention. They do the mission at hand drive on to the next.

The other? Huh? 

I heard they're not called "SEALs" in government anymore. Apparently SEAL is just the media name they use.

Tell me what you think of this site. I think its kinda dope: http://sofrep.com/

Regular SEAL teams and the team formally known as SEAL TEAM 6 are not one in the same. Same way as Army Special Forces and "Delta" are not the same. Also SOFREP is probably my favorite website ever.
 
I remember a day when Special Operations Operators were known as the "Quiet Professionals". The SEALS have OFFICIALLY gone Hollywood...meanwhile the other organization goes about quietly to do their job with no fanfare and little to no media coverage...the way it's supposed to be.
SEALs have been Hollywood. The Green Berets coined the nickname "Quiet Professionals", they never seek attention. They do the mission at hand drive on to the next.
The other? Huh? 

I heard they're not called "SEALs" in government anymore. Apparently SEAL is just the media name they use.

Tell me what you think of this site. I think its kinda dope: http://sofrep.com/
Regular SEAL teams and the team formally known as SEAL TEAM 6 are not one in the same. Same way as Army Special Forces and "Delta" are not the same. Also SOFREP is probably my favorite website ever.
I thought ST6 goes by other names including DEVGRU???
 
Faber said it was the lesser of two evils though. 

The economy has been crap since the 80s. 

You have to take this with a grain of salt though. Hes another rich guy who is used to getting his way and speaking as recklessly as he wants. 

Everyone is waiting for the nuclear button to get hit. 
 
After the race was called, I turned it onto FNC and there was Rove with that stupid marker board trying to rationalize with numbers how it wasn't "over" yet.


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Bruh just couldn't accept it. Lulz def had that night :lol:
 
Gov. Hailey Barbour: "Hurricane Sandy saved Barack Obama's campaign and ruined his momentum" :rofl: these dudes are so delusional man like all you have to do and look at the trends of polls and see how the Pres. was trending UPWARD before Sandy even hit :lol: They really are gonna end up doubling down, they've blamed: Hurricanes, God, Minorities, and who knows what else.....GOP might end up like the Whigs in the 1850's...stuck on bull**** mountain like John Steward calls it. 400 million down the drain d'oh!
 
Gov. Hailey Barbour: "Hurricane Sandy saved Barack Obama's campaign and ruined his momentum"
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these dudes are so delusional man like all you have to do and look at the trends of polls and see how the Pres. was trending UPWARD before Sandy even hit
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They really are gonna end up doubling down, they've blamed: Hurricanes, God, Minorities, and who knows what else.....GOP might end up like the Whigs in the 1850's...stuck on bull**** mountain like John Steward calls it. 400 million down the drain d'oh!
Yo who the hell is that? 

Kidding. You were on point though. 
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Gov. Hailey Barbour: "Hurricane Sandy saved Barack Obama's campaign and ruined his momentum" :rofl: these dudes are so delusional man like all you have to do and look at the trends of polls and see how the Pres. was trending UPWARD before Sandy even hit :lol: They really are gonna end up doubling down, they've blamed: Hurricanes, God, Minorities, and who knows what else.....GOP might end up like the Whigs in the 1850's...stuck on bull**** mountain like John Stewart calls it. 400 million down the drain d'oh!
Yo who the hell is that? 

Kidding. You were on point though. :rofl:

:lol: Lmao my bad, typo *fixed
 
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Gov. Hailey Barbour: "Hurricane Sandy saved Barack Obama's campaign and ruined his momentum" :rofl: these dudes are so delusional man like all you have to do and look at the trends of polls and see how the Pres. was trending UPWARD before Sandy even hit :lol: They really are gonna end up doubling down, they've blamed: Hurricanes, God, Minorities, and who knows what else.....GOP might end up like the Whigs in the 1850's...stuck on bull**** mountain like John Steward calls it. 400 million down the drain d'oh!

The most hilarious thing about them blaming it on sandy, is Sandy hit majority democratic states. There would've been even MORE votes for Obama in those states if Sandy hadn't hit.

Republicans just straight up defy all logic whatsoever. :lol:
 
Gov. Hailey Barbour: "Hurricane Sandy saved Barack Obama's campaign and ruined his momentum"
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these dudes are so delusional man like all you have to do and look at the trends of polls and see how the Pres. was trending UPWARD before Sandy even hit
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They really are gonna end up doubling down, they've blamed: Hurricanes, God, Minorities, and who knows what else.....GOP might end up like the Whigs in the 1850's...stuck on bull**** mountain like John Stewart calls it. 400 million down the drain d'oh!
Yo who the hell is that? 

Kidding. You were on point though. 
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Lmao my bad, typo *fixed
 
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[h1]Your Presidential Candidate Romney Lost -- How Do You Cope the Morning After?[/h1]
Posted by Julie Ryan Evanson November 7, 2012 at 11:00 AM


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If you were a Mitt Romney  supporter, this is likely a rough morning for you. This election was incredibly emotionally charged, and those who rooted so passionately for red are certainly feeling the sting this morning, in addition to the hangover anyone may have from that final Mitt-tini.

It's not easy to be on the losing side, but somebody has to be. Knowing that, however, doesn't make going forward any less painful. So how do people who fought hard for the candidate they thought would be best to run this country deal with the blow that he won't be doing so? I talked to two experts who gave some great advice to people reeling from the Romney loss, and here's what they had to say.

Dr. Raphael Wald, a psychologist with Palm Beach Psychology Associates in Boca Raton, Florida, said social media has heightened people's emotional stake in this game. "I think social media creates an environment that we cannot escape from. In the old days we could just put down the newspaper and shut off the TV if we didn't want to be bombarded with election information. I think this makes people feel more emotionally charged and invested in the election since it is inescapable."

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But he said that it's important for people to remember that campaigns are created to make you think that your world will end if the other candidate is elected. "We have been through numerous elections and people have been disappointed in every single one. Nonetheless, we are still here, living and breathing despite all of the doomsday campaigning."

He went on to suggest: "People who focus on things they cannot change tend to be unhappy and easily agitated. Focus on what you can do and continue to 'play the best card in a bad hand.'"

He said that continued frustration over a loss can serve as a stressor that ultimately leads todepression, anxiety, or medical problems such as heart conditions. "If things do not get better after a short time, it is probably  time to talk to a psychologist  about your issues."

Dr. Gail Saltz, a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, best-selling author, and television commentator, says that when your candidate loses, you must ask yourself, what is best for the health of the country and your future  -- maintaining dissent, digging in your heels, and trying to prevent anything from happening, or finding ways to engage in the conversation in a CONSTRUCTIVE way?

"We want our elected officials to reach across the aisle so that things actually get done that desperately need to, individuals have to try to think the same way ... find ways to compromise, be invested in a healthy future as opposed to winning or losing."

She went on to say that holding a grudge is extremely unhealthy, and people need to learn to let go of the loss.

"The candidates do not disagree on everything, so finding places you can see agreement, respectfully disagreeing is also fine ... we can agree to disagree, and accepting that the majority has spoken and giving yourself some time to feel disappointed which is normal but ultimately regrouping to see how you can with integrity intact add to the betterment of your community."

She continued: "We all have competitive spirit, and that is healthy, but letting this election become only about having your candidate win and reacting purely with sour grapes or wrath if they don’t (and undermining the agenda of whoever does) is not only unhealthy for you as an individual, it is unhealthy for our country as a better future will require working together. So be bummed for a week or two, then dig down deep and think beyond yourself to the greater good of a great nation."

How are you feeling today?
 
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SEALs have been Hollywood. The Green Berets coined the nickname "Quiet Professionals", they never seek attention. They do the mission at hand drive on to the next.
Regular SEAL teams and the team formally known as SEAL TEAM 6 are not one in the same. Same way as Army Special Forces and "Delta" are not the same. Also SOFREP is probably my favorite website ever.
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[COLOR=#red]Brother I know that Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha are the originators of the QP label, but it was also loosely tied into Americas SOF community in general because that's the way it's supposed to be.

And yes there are 2 units that are not a part of their parent Organizations that are called upon for the most challenging and operationally sensitive situations. You'll learn this pretty soon, that after you sign a NDA you cannot refer to them by name even if it is all over the media and Internet. But of course nobody follows those rules.[/COLOR]
 
Evidently, Diane Sawyer's election boozing wasn't an isolated event. Here she is drinking taking pills with wine. She is now my favorite news personality.
 
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