***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Nike Jordan]

I think he was agreeing with you.

 

[createdestroy]

I think he was agreeing with you.

got confused by the pyramid...my bad

 

[ccastro02]

Rolling the clock back, using the historical record, we can see how now-President Obama responded to the age-of-the-earth question. Speaking to the Compassion Forum at Grantham, Pennsylvania’s Messiah College, in 2008, Obama said:
"What I’ve said to [my daughters] is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it . . . it may not be 24-hour days, and that’s what I believe. I know there’s always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don’t, and that I think is a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I’m a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live – that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don’t presume to know."
Wait wut? Brb obama saying the exact same thing and yet liberals bash Rubio later on
Anyways, nothing is going to get done in America, people these days don't believe in hard work, and look for hand outs instead.... Im not studying my mind off at school for nothing...

They are not saying the same thing. Obama was being analytical and trying to re-interpret that quote. It's not a scientific analysis, but a philosophical one rather.

Rubio's statement was scientific. How did he come up with the 9000? Modern day humans themselves have been around for about 200,000 years. Not to mention that scientists have carbon dated human remains that date back some 6 million years.

So how did he get 9000? What basis is he going on? Perhaps it was a mistake of words similar to that of Obama's when he said there were 57 states. Could be.

 

[essential1]

Are you arguing against me or yourself?

First quote you did is me. Second quote is I Lax Bro.

I was agreeing with you. Arguing against him.

 

[uncalled4boy]

They pulled the plug on this interview as fast as possible

Son

 

[gmills23]

Can anyone familiar with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict suggest any books on the subject?

 

[julius wrek]

Hey_

Can anyone familiar with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict suggest any books on the subject?

Not a book, but...

Young Abdel Mahdi (Shahmay) was only 18 years old,
He was the youngest of nine children, never spent a night away from home.
And his mother held his photograph, opening the New York Times
To see the killing has intensified along the road to peace

There was a tall, thin boy with a whispy moustache disguised as an orthodox Jew
On a crowded bus in Jerusalem, some had survived World War Two
And the thunderous explosion blew out windows 200 yards away
With more retribution and seventeen dead along the road to peace

Now at King George Ave and Jaffa Road passengers boarded bus 14a
In the aisle next to the driver Abdel Mahdi (Shahmay)
And the last thing that he said on earth is "God is great and God is good"
And he blew them all to kingdom come upon the road to peace

Now in response to this another kiss of death was visited upon
Yasser Taha, Israel says is an Hamas senior militant
And Israel sent four choppers in, flames engulfed, tears wide open
And it killed his wife and his three year old child leaving only blackened skeletons

It's found his toddlers bottle and a pair of small shoes and they waved them in front of the cameras
But Israel says they did not know that his wife and child were in the car
There are roadblocks everywhere and only suffering on TV
Neither side will ever give up their smallest right along the road to peace

Israel launched it's latest campaign against Hamas on Tuesday
Two days later Hamas shot back and killed five Israeli soldiers
So thousands dead and wounded on both sides most of them middle eastern civilians
They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace

"And this is our land we will fight with all our force" say the Palastinians and the Jews
Each side will cut off the hand of anyone who tries to stop the resistance
If the right eye offends thee then you must pluck it out
And Mahmoud Abbas said Sharon had been lost out along the road to peace

Once Kissinger said "we have no friends, America only has interests"
Now our president wants to be seen as a hero and he's hungry for re-election
But Bush is reluctant to risk his future in the fear of his political failures
So he plays chess at his desk and poses for the press 10,000 miles from the road to peace

In the video that they found at the home of Abdel Mahdi (Shahmay)
He held a Kalashnikov rifle and he spoke with a voice like a boy
He was an excellent student, he studied so hard, it was as if he had a future
He told his mother that he had a test that day out along the road to peace

The fundamentalist killing on both sides is standing in the path of peace
But tell me why are we arming the Israeli army with guns and tanks and bullets?
And if God is great and God is good why can't he change the hearts of men?
Well maybe God himself is lost and needs help
Maybe God himself he needs all of our help
Maybe God himself is lost and needs help
He's out upon the road to peace

Well maybe God himself is lost and needs help
Maybe God himself he needs all of our help
And he's lost upon the road to peace
And he's lost upon the road to peace
Out upon the road to peace.

- Tom Waits, Road to Peace, Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards

Julius F. Wrek

 

[Ace Ready]

They pulled the plug on this interview as fast as possible

Son

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[utvol23]

And what does the government get back in regard to the estate tax policy we have here in the us? I can assure you the losses are far more than 'free food stamps'

Are you referring to the estate tax that they want to reinstate where they used to tax a deceased persons property at 40% when they passed it on to their children etc when they died? You mean they should get to tax ones property again that they have accumlated over their lifetime with stuff they had acquired from post tax earnings. Thats double taxation if you ask me

 

[essential1]

And what does the government get back in regard to the estate tax policy we have here in the us? I can assure you the losses are far more than 'free food stamps'

Are you referring to the estate tax that they want to reinstate where they used to tax a deceased persons property at 40% when they passed it on to their children etc when they died? You mean they should get to tax ones property again that they have accumlated over their lifetime with stuff they had acquired from post tax earnings. Thats double taxation if you ask me

Not double taxation because the holder of the money is different.

If I died and left my children $100million. They have $100 million more in income for that year, or however it is set up.

The taxes would not be under Joe Smith Sr. The taxes would be for Joe Smith Jr. & John Smith.

They are not taxing the deceased's property. They are taxing the recipient's property because that's who it belongs to.

Therefore

estate tax =/= double taxation

 

[utvol23]

Not double taxation because the holder of the money is different.
If I died and left my children $100million. They have $100 million more in income for that year, or however it is set up.
The taxes would not be under Joe Smith Sr. The taxes would be for Joe Smith Jr. & John Smith.
They are not taxing the deceased's property. They are taxing the recipient's property because that's who it belongs to.
Therefore
estate tax =/= double taxation

That is semantics because it is the persons property who died which is being taxed. IT the John Sr's land that the govt is collecting taxes on as it is being passed down. Sure they are taxing the recipient but it is the property of the deceased they are collecting taxes on.


That is property that the family has acquired over years of the parents work. To have 40% of it stripped away by the govt because you died is double dipping. This forces many families to have to sell off property that has been in the family for generations.

Take the farmer and his children who have 5 million worth of land but the father died now the children have to come up with 2mill to pay the taxes but they only earn 30k a year how the hell are they supposed to come up with that money well guess what they cant so they have to sell the land to pay the taxes.

 

[david bowman]

you can spin this either way and be right. I can see both sides of the argument. 

 

[deuce king]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/28/obama-to-meet-with-romney-thursday/

A great chess move by President Obama.......I like it.

 

[david bowman]

Obama better be verrrrry careful. Romney will stab him in the back ASAP

 

[rashi]

Can anyone familiar with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict suggest any books on the subject?

FYI the Estate Tax collects very little "revenue", since 2009 Estate Tax returns have fell since 2009. The Estate Tax is one of the biggest hoaxes ever. The elites in this country love it because it minimizes their competition considering they have the lawyers to get around the law anyway.

 

[duba169]

lol at putting a jimmy carter book. One of the worst presidents of all time

 

[True Blues]

lol at putting a jimmy carter book. One of the worst presidents of all time

... but The Carter Center is one of the most prominent (and I might add effective) humanitarian and development NGOs in the world. For example, they monitor elections worldwide, help implement health programs at the grassroots level in the developing world, and in the context of the Middle East, mediated Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations in 2002-03.

 

[david bowman]

The stuff you listed doesn't really have much to do with his term right?

I think his point was that carter is a known Muslim sympathizer. He's been accused of being anti Semitic a bunch of times. Just not an unbiased view of the conflict. I've read parts of that lobbiest book and it's a much more important and unbiased than anything carter could say.

I remember when he said that Israel shouldn't be a Jewish nation because "only" 80 percent of the nation was Jewish. Meanwhile there are over 50 nations where Islam is the official religion. Most of those countries have citizens with other religions. But of course Jimmy has no issue with that.

 

[essential1]

lol at putting a jimmy carter book. One of the worst presidents of all time

Jimmy Carter's knowledge of the Middle East is better than a huge majority of people.

There is at least 10 presidents worse than Carter.

 

[True Blues]

The stuff you listed doesn't really have much to do with his term right?

I think his point was that carter is a known Muslim sympathizer. He's been accused of being anti Semitic a bunch of times. Just not an unbiased view of the conflict. I've read parts of that lobbiest book and it's a much more important and unbiased than anything carter could say.

I remember when he said that Israel shouldn't be a Jewish nation because "only" 80 percent of the nation was Jewish. Meanwhile there are over 50 nations where Islam is the official religion. Most of those countries have citizens with other religions. But of course Jimmy has no issue with that.

Yeah, The Carter Center was founded following his Presidency.

The latter statement regarding the "80 percent" is admittedly ridiculous if true, but accusations that Carter is anti-Semitic are overblown, I think. A lot of that is rhetoric from proponents of the Israeli state, many of whom-- at least in the West-- know very little about the reality on the ground over there.

A friend of mine traveled to the Strip, West Bank, and Israel on a whim a couple of years ago, and was shocked to hear some of the stories from Palestinians in the former two regions: bombings, and unprovoked raids of homes, assault and killing/mutilating children by the secret Israeli police, etc. Crazy stuff. I know it changed his outlook on the conflict completely.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Carter being called anti-Semitic is ridiculous. The feedback True Blues' friend made about "the bombings, and unprovoked raids of homes, assault and killing/mutilating children by the secret Israeli police" in it of itself is considered anti-Semitic...Anything you say that can be misconstrued as not pro Israeli can be considered anti-Semitic which is ridiculous...

Carter does rate as one of the worst presidents though. His woeful lack of understanding and appreciation of the bond market (along with his staff's) and allowing interest rates to continue to sky rocket at the time doomed his presidency.

It didn't help that Reagan & his team negotiated a deal with Iran on the hostages either which helped him solidify getting elected while making Carter look like a joke.

Also like Essential1 said, Carter understand the Middle East better than most people in Government. In addition to the Camp David Accords, Carter did accomplish some very positive things during his presidency like creating the departments of Energy and Education & the Salt II Treaty (which put a limit to strategic arms between the US & Russia)...

 

[david bowman]

There is nothing anti Semitic about saying Israelites do messed up things. Carter has always had a hard on for the Jews. He was always gushing about yasir Arafat.

I dunno if you should base your whole outlook on a friend who spoke to some Palestinians

Look up pallywood. There's a giant PR war fought.

I'm sure Israelis to plenty of terrible things, but there's two sides. Hamas stores rockets in civilian area's on purpose. They want citizens bombed so they can go on the PR battle.

Either way all I'm saying is I think carter is biased and you could find better books. That's it. You can be knowledgable and biased at the same time. People on both sides are.

He left out the holocaust in his book. When clearly that's a big reason why Israel happened in the first place.

14 staff members resigned over his book!


"We can no longer endorse your strident and uncompromising position. This is not the Carter Center or the Jimmy Carter we came to respect and support. Therefore it is with sadness and regret that we hereby tender our resignation from the Board of Councilors of the Carter Center effective immediately," the letter said.
Liane Levetan, a former Georgia state senator who served on the board for about 10 years, said Carter's book "really hurt me."
"To me, it's a situation of telling the facts that are the facts. This is not a piece of fiction," Levetan said. "There are some things in life that you just cannot overlook. The truth is something that has got to be told. And certain portions of this book do not tell the truth."


The members say the book "portrays the conflict between Israel and her neighbors as a purely one-sided affair with Israel holding all the responsibility for resolving the conflict."
"In light of the publication of your latest book 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid' and your subsequent comments made in promoting the book, we can no longer in good conscience continue to serve the Center as members of the Board of Councilors," the letter reads.
Stein said the book contained "factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments."




Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243082,00.html#ixzz2DXfyTr6T

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I'll agree (to some degree) about your statement (David Bowman) "You can be knowledgable and biased at the same time", but you then you talk about being biased & then want to use Fox News as a source with regards to Israel? C'mom son....

 

[david bowman]

lol those are quotes. It was just the first link that popped up in google.

Fox news didnt make up quotes from jimmy carter's staff .

The top part is all my own words before i even looked for the quotes