***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[whywesteppin]

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[elpablo21]

Edit A draft of the EO for Cyber Security was hacked and released (allegedly) by a reputable hacker

go figure.

if anyone wants to take a peek



edit:

WaPo link

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/d...of-the-executive-order-on-cybersecurity/2306/

 

[IATT]

U.K. Parliament

 

[whywesteppin]

U.K. Parliament

that was amazing.

who would have thought, 250 years later, it'd be England schooling us on democracy.

 

[sonoftony]

Hate the fact I gotta read the pages I missed since this morning

 

[frink85]

Hate the fact I gotta read the pages I missed since this morning

I'll catch up on 10 pages of madness later :x

But damn who had "10 days" in the President Trump Disaster Pool?

 

[EddieDoyers]

You guys already knew but the same hacker posted this

https://jesterscourt.cc/2017/01/28/russian-infiltration-us-federal-government/

 

[rolaholic]

@BenjaminNorton: Trump's "expert" on voter fraud was registered to vote in 3 states during the 2016 presidential election

https://apnews.com/80497cfb5f054c9b...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 

[danger style]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

[everysingletime]

I'm sorry to bring this back up but it's not "one ill matt"????

I literally read it as 1 nil matt (phonetically)

 

[00david00]

https://www.thenation.com/article/d...rt-strikes-a-big-blow-against-gerrymandering/

Dear Dems,

Block the SCOTUS pick, you will have fair districts and if a wave hits in 2020, you will have the House byke 15 years earlier than projected.

Sincerely,

Someone that is ******* sick of see my people's political power structurally marginalized.

genuine question,

how can dems go about blocking the pick? I'm assuming they'd have to filibuster senate would go into gridlock, but how long can they feasibly keep it there?

 

[EddieDoyers]

I feel like I need to pop a xanax for all this

 

[flyknit]

Trump is signing all these wild EOs to fire all these people that are trying to uphold our rights so he can get is people in there

We are so ******.

 

[wavycrocket]

I feel like I need to pop a xanax for all this

Welcome to the Xanny Family woah woah

 

[EddieDoyers]

I feel like I need to pop a xanax for all this

Welcome to the Xanny Family woah woah

 

[RustyShackleford]

https://www.thenation.com/article/d...rt-strikes-a-big-blow-against-gerrymandering/

Dear Dems,

Block the SCOTUS pick, you will have fair districts and if a wave hits in 2020, you will have the House byke 15 years earlier than projected.

Sincerely,

Someone that is ******* sick of see my people's political power structurally marginalized.

genuine question,

how can dems go about blocking the pick? I'm assuming they'd have to filibuster senate would go into gridlock, but how long can they feasibly keep it there?

They can't block it 100 percent. Because the GOP can use the nuclear option

Only hesitation the GOP might have is that if Congress flips they will be ******. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws have been catching Ls in court.

So the demographic reckoning may come earlier than expected.

But in the end, if GOP wants to confirm someone they can.

Another tactic would be to push the GOP to the limit, on this one but still let the confirmation happen. So that way they don't use the nuclear option and that hedges against the next judge to be replaced being a liberal. Then fight to get to 51 Senate seats in 2018. Which will be hard since their map sucks.

It really is a guessing game. But having fair districts is for 2020 is a huge thing for the party

 

[joe cool23]

 

Bannon developed two related insights. “One of the things Goldman teaches you is, don’t be the first guy through the door because you’re going to get all the arrows.

 

[EddieDoyers]

“We build too many walls and not enough bridges.” - Isaac Newton
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2013

 

[whywesteppin]

You guys already knew but the same hacker posted this

https://jesterscourt.cc/2017/01/28/russian-infiltration-us-federal-government/

"Putin will make half a trillion dollars from that much untapped oil"

:x

well **** me fancy!

Putin gonna give trump his crown of gold

 

[gry60]

xoogl3 • 6m
Yates got fired for doing exactly what Jeff Sessions wanted her to do while he was grilling her during her confirmation hearings.

SESSIONS: You have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things you just need to say “no” about. Do you think the Attorney General has the responsibility to say no to the President if he asks for something that’s improper? A lot of people have defended the [Loretta] Lynch nomination, for example, by saying, “Well [Obama] appoints somebody who’s going to execute his views. What’s wrong with that?” But if the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General say no?

YATES: Senator, I believe the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution, and to give their independent legal advice to the president

https://ql.mediasilo.com/#ql/58902710e4b096bad68d0b1a/d9199434-5f6c-4949-9b67-7554bc85c04f

 

[everysingletime]

If there is any post at all that deserves to go insanely viral instantly, it's this one.

 

[whywesteppin]

The Immigration Ban is a Headfake, and We’re Falling For It



Third, popular attention must focus less on whether we agree with what the government is doing, and more on whether the system of checks and balances we have in place is working. It is a much bigger deal that the DHS felt they could ignore a federal court than that Trump signed an EO blocking green card holders in the first place. It is a much bigger deal that Trump removed a permanent military presence from the NSC than that he issued a temporary stay on immigration. The immigration ban may be more viscerally upsetting, but the other moves are potentially far more dangerous.

 

[flyknit]

Trump is signing all these wild EOs to fire all these people that are trying to uphold our rights so he can get is people in there

We are so ******.

 

[rexanglorum]

This aire of intelectual superiority that liberals give off is why Hillary lost the election. His post only shows a profound misunderstanding and ignorance on conservatism and what it means. It also shows what liberals "really think": that equality doesnt exist and that there never will be equality. So much of liberal ideaology is predicated on injustices and inequality. The moment that society believes that equality has been achieved, the moment the need for liberalism is extinguished. It might make you feel like a big smart guy saying that stuff, but it just shows how much the opposite is true.

Allow me to defend my post from earlier.

I do not mean that conservatives cannot, in the abstract, conceive of legal arrangements where individuals and groups have equality. What I am saying is that the very foundation of conservatism is that strong hierarchies are the ideal form of social and political organization. Liberalism is based on a governing ideal of a flattened social order or hierarchies that are ad hoc and constructed to serve a particular purpose.

I am also not saying that one is always better than the other. It just is the case and it colors how we see human interactions including politics and public policy. Unfortunately for conservatives, this "strict father" model of social organizing is putting you guys on the wrong side of a number of political issues. Societies tend to do better the more pluralistic and cosmopolitan they are.



I also want to emphasize that conservatives are not necessarily unintelligent or uneducated. There are very smart guys who write for conservative magazines who hold this view that it is either "us" or "them" so it might as well be "us." During and after the Iraq War a lot of the conservative intelligentsia were not snarling and shouting "USA, USA, USA!" No, they were abusing the hell of out that one Thucydides quote from The Melian Dialogue (if you were reading the news circa 2003, you know which one I'm talking about) and calling it "realism."

I do think that with more formal education, one is more likely to switch from a strict and hierarchical world view to one that is more egalitarian (largely because our society teaches us that dominant groups have justly earned their status and detached and disinterested analysis tends to challenge our received wisdom). With that said, there are conservative folks who have a lot of schooling and have been exposed to the whole battery of social science and they still adhere to a "strict father" social ideal.



One more thing. Even if we had perfect equality, there would still be a need for liberalism in order to maintain that equality. The natural human tendency is for societies to become unequal unless steps are taken to push back against that tendency. I do not believe that there is any arc of History and that progress is the norm, as recent events have clearly shown us.