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The Immigration Ban is a Headfake, and We’re Falling For It



Third, popular attention must focus less on whether we agree with what the government is doing, and more on whether the system of checks and balances we have in place is working. It is a much bigger deal that the DHS felt they could ignore a federal court than that Trump signed an EO blocking green card holders in the first place. It is a much bigger deal that Trump removed a permanent military presence from the NSC than that he issued a temporary stay on immigration. The immigration ban may be more viscerally upsetting, but the other moves are potentially far more dangerous.


Very good read. I am very surprised that there has been little emphasis in the media about border patrol ignoring the court order. I think that's effing scary
 
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I honestly don't think Trump thinks that far ahead. And from what I've read about his leadership style, there's no Trump puppet master.
 
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Its insane to me how nonchalant people are in regards to t****s aggregious disregard for our Constitution. The more you try to edukate, the less interested they get. Martin Niemöller really gave us the blueprint on how to stop this type of unilateral governing, yet it seems we will have to relive his hell in order to realize :smh:

There are far too many "ugly" Americans in our kountry. Too koncerned with reality tv, sports, or social media likes, to kare about the very freedoms n liberties they take for granted. When you kriticize t****, youre labeled a "hater", "libtard", or "sore loser". Or they deflekt blame towards Obama, or ask where was your own kriticism of Obama. We've bekome backwards as a society. The very principles we praise our soldiers for fighting for abroad, are shot down when fought for at home. You instantly bekome the bad guy, kuz you "dont love America, so you kan leave". However, it is the very fakt that i do love my kountry, that i voice my opinion, exercise my rights, n try to inform as many as possible of the wrongdoings of this regime; yes its a regime. I fear for the children in my family, having to grow up in a kountry ruled by oligarchs n a deranged, narcissist. If the American Dream is what we dtrive for, why allow a nightmare to kontinue? I for one will not stand for it. Until the time komes for more drastic aktion, i will komtinue to speak out, kontinue to inform, n kontinue to seek the truth.

"Give me liberty, or give me death"

I dont mean to rant n rave, but the kurrent politikal klimate is making my blood boil. A kon man n a white nationalist are running our kountry. They refuse to look out for our interests, n kontinue to try to divide us. We kannot let them win, kuz letting t**** supporters eat krow, is just kutting off our nose to spite our face. We have to kome together, rather than let them divide us. Its easier said than done, but even if we gotta drag em kicking n skreaming, we have to advance n not regress.

/rant

I swear, this **** drains me daily n everyday i dread koming home to some new BS :smh:
 
Dog. I'll paypal you 100 dollars to stop using k's. Giving me a headache reading that.

I don't really mean that about the 100 dollars. I don't got money like that
I want my rep back (after seeing your spoiler).

Now some more info about the white Canadian terrorist:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-for-right-wing-online-posts/article33833044/

The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city’s activist circles as an online troll who was inspired by extreme right-wing French nationalists, stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump and was against immigration to Quebec – especially by Muslims.

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“He was someone who made frequent extreme comments in social media denigrating refugees and feminism. It wasn’t outright hate, rather part of this new nationalist conservative identity movement that is more intolerant than hateful.”

:smh:


But then there's also this:

Toma Popescu remembered bigger kids teasing Mr. Bissonnette for his slight, pallid appearance and his unfashionable clothing. “He dressed like a country boy,” Mr. Popescu said.

The bullies who targeted Mr. Bissonnette would demand his money and his lunch, even roughing him up, Mr. Popescu added. But Mikael Labrecque Berger said that Mr. Bissonnette wasn’t cowed by his social problems at school.

“He never seemed to take it like personally,” Mr. Berger. “He had an almost happy attitude about it.”

“Someone [would] tell him, ‘You’re ugly,’ and he would say, ‘You too are ugly.’”

:smh:

We have to be better than this.
 
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He was bullied, I'm sure they'll be some type of mental illness that is found as well.
 
It's always the punks who are bullied that become bigots. I wonder if ninja was bullied as a kid.
 
I want to address the thing about Irish Slaves as well.

@Oneilmatt


Every American can look back on their family tree and find ancestors who were an oppressed, exploited brutalized, agrarian proletariat. Some might have to look back to 1066 and others to 1906 and others to 2006 but everyone has ancestors somewhere who were horrendously mistreated by the powers of their day.

In that respect, black Americans are no different from Irish or Italian or German or Anglo or Asian Americans. What is different is that in English speaking North America, chattel slavery of African persons has proven to be one of many chapters of white plunder of black people.


Now, I'm sure that you will say that in 1840, Irish peasants had just as many material deprivations as did black slaves in the US. I would say, you are right and perhaps their material conditions were even worse in some instances.

However, the misery of the Irish in the 17th, 18th and 19th Centuries is a story of the power of whiteness and the ability to expand and contract its boundaries. In the 17th Century, the concept of whiteness came into being. In that same Century, Protestant Englishmen saw Catholic Irishmen as a national security threat. Ireland was seen as the stepping stone that would allow the Great Catholic Powers of France and Spain to invade Protestant England. After the Irish launched a series of unsuccessful and foreign backed rebellions, the victorious English had their worst fears confirmed. They punished the Catholics who lived in Ireland. They punished them by excluding them from the protections of whiteness. They punished them by treating them like black people

Jump forward to late 18th Century America and the African Slaves have been released from chattel slavery. However, they were firmly excluded from the protections afforded by whiteness. Meanwhile, Irish immigrants slowly but surely received a sort of provisional whiteness from the Anglo Protestants who dominated the United States. After World War II, Irish (as well as Polish and Italian and Jewish Americans) became full white citizens. The postwar economic order specifically took steps to bring them real economic parity with the Anglo Protestant Americans.

So yes, your Irish ancestors had it as bad as black people had it, in the 17th and 18th Centuries. The difference is that your former oppressors, white protestants, rectified the past misdeeds. As of Today, white Americans have yet to rectify the ravages of slavery and instead we have spent the last Century and a half simply reshaping and reinventing slavery and its original purpose, enriching white people off of black toil and misery.
 
He was bullied, I'm sure they'll be some type of mental illness that is found as well.
they're calling him a "lone wolf" as opposed to an Isis sleeper agent as they would have if he could grow a beard.

that way they can pawn him off as a random crazy dude and not as a symptom of the white nationalist sickness that poses more of a threat to Western civilization that does "Islamic terror."

look at his face. he is the enemy.
 
Found this

Bannon controls Trump and billionaires Robert and Rebekah Mercer control Bannon. They spent millions on Trump's election - and insisted Trump put Bannon in charge of his campaign. Why? Mercer "owns" Steve Bannon. Breitbart was in financial collapse and Mercer infused the necessary money to save it - thus "buying" Bannon's loyalty. Now Bannon is in control behind the scenes at the White House - but the real puppeteers are Robert and Rebekah Mercer.
 
Just read up on them in a piece from The Atlantic. "Control" is pure hyperbole. From what I've seen they just want a horse in the political race. They have no known ideological beliefs.

Bannon is not controlled by them. Breitbart was running anti-Cruz articles during the primary while the Mercer's were bankrolling his campaign. And Trump has essentially kicked Rebekah Mercer out of his outside political group in which she was previously a transition member.

Yes they gave money to the Trump campaign. But as far as the evidence shows they just wanted a candidate that would beat Hillary due to their longstanding feud with the Clintons.

Link, since some people just want to post wild theories with no evidence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/514529/
 
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Its insane to me how nonchalant people are in regards to t****s aggregious disregard for our Constitution. The more you try to edukate , the less interested they get.

Had to stop there, then quickly scanned through the rest of that....got more K's than Nolan Ryan career stat. Chill with that already. And I'm not even a Trump supporter :lol:
 
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They shouldn't. Spicer is wrong too. And that tweet is mocking the practice.

I don't understand the point of your post.
 
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They shouldn't. Spicer is wrong too.

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The stupidity of saying the "they", should clearly not be lost upon you.. since that would involve therealDonaldTrump

For the rest of us, the "they" involves legitimate news organizations, journalists, any number of individuals with direct evidence, etc
 
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The "they" is the twitter posts.

If you can't find an article or some reputable stat that can back up the ridiculous screenshot of twitter posts then in my eyes it isn't newsworthy or post worthy. But clearly you think so, because that's exactly you what you did.
 
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Some of the twitter posts clearly link to articles just as you can post google amp articles.

It can be both extremely useful or extremely stupid tool/medium.. but that applies to any number of things: Internet.. television.. radio.. the library

All about how the individual using that thing decides to do so






Anyways former Nixon White House counsel
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Some of the twitter posts clearly link to articles just as you can post google amp articles.

Then post the link for us to click if one is provided. Just like when people post a full article and link it. Or makes a statement of fact and provides the link as evidence. Practices like that keep the fake news out.
 
The leader of the free world spreads misinformation on Twitter all the time. But you don't seem to have a problem with that.
 
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