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Rico, you were just arguing that the public has lost attention of DeVos
They never had, they just got bombarded by the immigration ban in the weekend
The hate for her has been around for a couple months, it's only you and a few that just notices once in a while
 
long but good article about trump and why Congress may let him get away with it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/

Outside the Islamic world, the 21st century is not an era of ideology. The grand utopian visions of the 19th century have passed out of fashion. The nightmare totalitarian projects of the 20th have been overthrown or have disintegrated, leaving behind only outdated remnants: North Korea, Cuba. What is spreading today is repressive kleptocracy, led by rulers motivated by greed rather than by the deranged idealism of Hitler or Stalin or Mao. Such rulers rely less on terror and more on rule-twisting, the manipulation of information, and the co-optation of elites.

Civil unrest will not be a problem for the Trump presidency. It will be a resource. Trump will likely want not to repress it, but to publicize it—and the conservative entertainment-outrage complex will eagerly assist him. Immigration protesters marching with Mexican flags; Black Lives Matter demonstrators bearing antipolice slogans—these are the images of the opposition that Trump will wish his supporters to see. The more offensively the protesters behave, the more pleased Trump will be.

... Trump told the audience. “And I don’t like that. I’m totally against that. By the way, I hate some of these people, but I’d never kill them. I hate them. No, I think, no—these people, honestly—I’ll be honest. I’ll be honest. I would never kill them. I would never do that. Ah, let’s see—nah, no, I wouldn’t. I would never kill them. But I do hate them.”

The rulers of backsliding democracies resent an independent press, but cannot extinguish it. They may curb the media’s appetite for critical coverage by intimidating unfriendly journalists, as President Jacob Zuma and members of his party have done in South Africa. Mostly, however, modern strongmen seek merely to discredit journalism as an institution, by denying that such a thing as independent judgment can exist.

Yet there’s also something incongruous and even absurd about applying the sinister label of fascist to Donald Trump. He is so pathetically needy, so shamelessly self-interested, so fitful and distracted. Fascism feti****es hardihood, sacrifice, and struggle—concepts not often associated with Trump.


read it all if you have half an hour to burn.

I didn't read the link yet but just off of this post. Sounds like we're ******

If the protests and all that just play into his hand, then what can we do. Nada...
 
^ i kept adding to it. read the last segment.

the author concludes by urging us to engage in continual action. put pressure on congressmen and congresswomen to act in the interest of this country and support those targeted by trump and his trolls.

and step 1 is to read articles like this and understand that things will not be sudden but rather a gradual slide. understanding their tactics will help us better counteract this threat to America.

you're right though. it is discouraging. we have an uphill battle ahead of us.
 
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The Daily Show cut to black while interviewing Executive Director Anthony Romero of ACLU while discussing Trump and Muslim ban.
 
If Dems still wont acknowledge that Hillary was a flawed candidate, then I guess we'll be looking at 8 years of Trump. I hope they dont revive her or, worse, try to push Tim Kaine in 2020.
 
So the Democrats are boycott the committee appointees.

Dead *** serious question:

Didn't the Republicans do the EXACT same thing awhile back when the government shut down?

Like, am I bugging, or are these Republican people suffering from amnesia?

I read an article where a dude called it stupid...

But... It wasn't stupid when y'all did it?
 
just read kushner was furious when trump cancelled that Mexico meeting :lol:

Why
 
So the Democrats are boycott the committee appointees.

Dead *** serious question:

Didn't the Republicans do the EXACT same thing awhile back when the government shut down?

Like, am I bugging, or are these Republican people suffering from amnesia?

I read an article where a dude called it stupid...

But... It wasn't stupid when y'all did it?
Republicans are the master of spin
They know it's hypocritical to say it, but they have a base to please, and a good majority of the base has short term memories, so it gives them a good reason to deflect/blame.
 
If Dems still wont acknowledge that Hillary was a flawed candidate, then I guess we'll be looking at 8 years of Trump.
If all the "Don't know who is worse - Trump or Hillary" idiots still won't acknowledge that Hillary was an infinitely less flawed candidate of the two, then I guess we'll be looking at 8 years of Drumpf and someone as bad after him. If we're fortunate enough to survive a nuclear apocalypse by then, that is.

Right now, the mentality of any sane person should be to vote for *insert any name* over Drumpf in 2020 and stop being salty if the Democrat candidate they pulled for loses in the primaries.
 
All the "Hillary is a criminal" spam posting people on my Facebook feed have been DEAD SILENT for the past 2 weeks :lol:
 
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Family of Syrians Deported From Philadelphia Voted for Donald Trump

Sarmad Assali's relatives, who are all Orthodox Christians, had visas and proof of green cards, the family said

By David Chang, Alicia Victoria Lozano and Gabe Gutierrez

Protests against President Donald Trump's immigration ban continued across the region Monday night. Meanwhile six Syrians who were detained at Philadelphia International Airport and then sent back under Trump's executive order learned that their resolution to return to their loved ones in Allentown was denied. NBC10's Denise Nakano has the details. (Published Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2017)
A Pennsylvania family fighting to have their relatives return to the United States after they were detained at Philadelphia International Airport and sent back overseas under the immigration order told "NBC Nightly News" that they voted for Donald Trump.

“I understand he wants to make America safe,” Sarmad Assali said. "We're all on with this. I definitely want to be in a safe place. But people need us and we need to be there for them."

Syrian Family Denied Return to Pa. Files Suit

Assali's two brothers, their wives and their two children initiated their immigration attempts in 2003 while living in Syria. In December 2016, they were approved to join Assali and her husband in Allentown after the couple bought and furnished a home for them.

Assali and her husband, Dr. Ghassan Assali, who has a dentistry practice and received his degree from New York University, are originally from Syria but have been living in the United States for 20 years.

Trump's Immigration Order Playing Well to Fans Around Nation

But early Saturday morning, after they landed at Philadelphia International Airport, Assali's relatives were detained. They were then sent on an 18-hour flight back overseas.

The detainment and deportation occurred only hours after the president signed an executive order that immediately restricted travel from seven predominantly Muslim countries, temporarily halted the refugee program and indefinitely blocked refugees from Syria.

Family of Syrians Sent Back From Philly: This Is Not America

"Two security guards were waiting for them," Assali said. "They took them. They said, 'Are you Syrians?' They said, 'Yes.' They said, 'Come with us.'"

Assali's relatives, who are all Orthodox Christians, had visas and proof of green cards. The six Syrians were told they had to go back on the next flight and return to the Middle East, according to Assali. The next day, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus announced that the order would not extend to green card holders.

6 Syrians Detained, Then Sent on Flight Home at PHL Airport

They went on an 18-hour flight back to Doha and are currently in Damascus, according to the Assali family. One of Assali's relatives has heart problems and was given oxygen.

Tawfik Assali, the 21-year-old son of one of the deported Syrians, told NBC News he came to the United States three years ago and was waiting for his mother to join him.

5,000 Demonstrators Gather at PHL to Protest Travel Ban

"I was one hour away from hugging her," he said. "Seeing her."

Hours after the six Syrians were sent back home, a federal judge granted an injunction on the order in response to a request filed by the ACLU and other legal organizations. While the stay blocks anyone with a valid visa who is being held at airports from being deported, it only applies to those currently within the U.S., not anyone who tries to come to the U.S. going forward.

Praise, Criticism for Justice Dept. Head Fired by Trump

The six Syrians remain in Damascus. Joseph Hohenstein, an attorney for the Assali family, told NBC10 Monday they were denied a resolution that would bring them back to Allentown. Lawyers from the ACLU of Pennsylvania, HIAS Pennsylvania and the Philadelphia Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday on behalf of the families.

A crowdfunding campaign has been created for the family, which liquidated its assets in order to pay for visas, security screenings and other legal documents that were issued before their planned departure to the U.S.

UN to Hold Urgent Meeting on Iran Missile Test: US Officials

“This poor family sold everything and used those funds for this trip and now that’s gone,” said Jonathan Grode, an attorney who is helping on the case. “If they ever make it here they will be coming with not a penny to their names.”

On Sunday, Ghassan Assali appeared alongside Gov. Tom Wolf decrying Trump’s executive order.

"America is not America," Assali said. "Like ISIS now, they ask, 'Are you Christian? What do you believe?' And if they are not saying what they believe, they kick you out and they cut your head off. So America, same thing. They ask you are you Muslim? You've got to change your religion. Thank you." Trump Immigration Order Triggers Protests Across USTrump Immigration Order Triggers Protests Across US

His son, Joseph, is a sophomore at Temple University studying biology and Spanish. The family lives in a well-established Syrian and Lebanese community in Allentown that dates back more than 100 years, Hohenstein said.

The community is predominately Christian and houses several churches.

Trump's Voter Fraud Expert Registered in 3 States: Report

Despite what happened to the Assalis, not everyone in their community disagrees with Trump. NBC News spoke with Rev. Anthony Sabbagh, an immigrant who voted for Trump partly because of his promise to make national security a top priority.

"I admire a president that protects his people and tries to make America safe," Sabbagh said.

Obama Praises Protests in Statement After Travel Ban

In her interview with NBC News, Sarmad Assali had a question for the man who she helped put in the White House.

"Why?" she asked. "Where is your human side to send somebody to a war zone?"

Published at 10:08 AM EST on Jan 31, 2017 | Updated at 3:42 PM EST on Jan 31, 2017

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...n-Immigration-Ban-Travel-Order-412238593.html
 
All the "Hillary is a criminal" spam posting people on my Facebook feed have been DEAD SILENT for the past 2 weeks
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No need for he Russian bot spammers to do it anymore. They successfully altered the results of the election.
 
just read kushner was furious when trump cancelled that Mexico meeting :lol:

Why
From what I read, it was also not mentioning the Holocaust during the week that has caused some of rift too.
kushner and wife were observing shabbat when the anti-Semitic Holocaust statement came out and the travel ban.

expect a pattern here. every Saturday, bannon will push through his hate while his sworn enemy, the Jewish kushner, is disconnected as he observes his religion.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/jared-kushner-steve-bannon-bromance

“All I know about Steve is my experience working with him. He’s an incredible Zionist and loves Israel,” Kushner said in an interview with Forbes in November. “He was one of the leaders in the anti-divestiture campaign. And what I’ve seen from working together with him was somebody who did not fit the description that people are pushing on him. I choose to judge him based on my experience and seeing the job he’s done, as opposed to what other people are saying about him.”
maybe it's time to judge based on what other people are saying.

Last week, Kushner spent 24 hours trying to broker a meeting between Trump and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto. The source said that Kushner was even considering flying to Mexico in order to convince Peña Nieto, who had butted heads with Trump over various issues, to travel to the White House. Ultimately, Peña Nieto agreed—a feat Kushner presented to his father-in-law on Wednesday night. It was his first real victory in the West Wing in his role as senior adviser, and it would be a major step toward turning one of Trump’s main campaign promises into a reality.

Less than 12 hours later, though, it all fell apart. After Peña Nieto reiterated that Mexico does not plan to pay for Trump’s proposed wall, Trump tweeted that if Mexico is “unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting.” Just like that, the meeting was canceled. “Kushner was ******* furious,” the source told me. “I’d never once heard him say he was angry throughout the entire campaign. But he was furious.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/jared-kushner-ivanka-donald-trump-scandals
 
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kushner and wife were observing shabbat when the anti-Semitic Holocaust statement came out and the travel ban.

expect a pattern here. every Saturday, bannon will push through his hate while his sworn enemy, the Jewish kushner, is disconnected as he observes his religion.
they hate each other?
 
I'm sure Kushner is unhappy with bannon.

trump is really just a tool in all of this (both meanings of "tool" intended). bannon is gonna whisper in his ear and turn him against Kushner as "weak" and "compromised" if Kushner tries to exert his influence. there can only be one darling in trump's universe. bannon knows this.

they already made a movie about it.

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Bannon likes nationalistic Jews, but hates the globalist Jews. I'm assuming Kushner falls in the latter category.
 
It's hard to feel bad for this story.

What the **** did you think would happen?

He got to his position by telling the miseducated and misninformed that he would build a wall and the country that he's cutting off would pay for it.

shows how people are willing to overlook prejudice until it's being directed towards them
 
It's hard to feel bad for this story.

What the **** did you think would happen?

He got to his position by telling the miseducated and misninformed that he would build a wall and the country that he's cutting off would pay for it.

shows how people are willing to overlook prejudice until it's being directed towards them

Word to all the "no handouts" folk who suddenly lost their much needed healthcare

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Toomey and his fellow clowns got a lot of balls talking about obstruction with a straight face. I forgot which senator called it the most shameful thing he's ever seen or some **** like that......:rofl:
 
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