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The Harry Potter books has always had a liberal bent to it. Don't understand how you can enjoy the books and be a Trump fan to begin with. There was even a politician in the books that was a bumbling idiot like Trump that was not painted in a positive light at all :rofl:
 
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eddiengambino said:
I don't think madantory voting would solve anything. Society often produces more morons than smart people imo. In a huge country like the US, madantory voting would also incur huge amounts of waste funding wise, especially since a lot of people don't like to be political either and would rather not vote.
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It would not be implementable in the US, just wondering what y'all think of the idea as a hypothetical since it can be a pretty controversial topic here. I'd guess support for keeping or removing is fairly evenly split here with a slight lean towards removal. Either way I hardly know anyone in support of it but then again I also don't know many people who take a strong interest in politics.

Mandatory voting works here because we're obviously a pretty small country but also because our electoral/campaign system is vastly different.

National election campaigns typically last 1-2 months or so with little excess like US campaigns. There's few big rallies all over the country, mostly smaller gatherings in a town hall format. The parties' representatives go on political talkshows to explain their platform and debate with other parties.

There's not much advance campaigning either, the parties work out their platforms long in advance but besides mentioning it in an interview here and there or an occasional talk show debate, that's about it. If someone doesn't care and doesn't watch political talkshows or browse parties' websites, then they probably won't know more than a few basic details by the time the actual campaign starts.

The actual campaign starts at a certain date and the vote usually follows about a month later. It basically comes down to explaining their policies, debating with other parties about said policies and then the people vote. It's very minimal, though larger rallies seem to be growing more popular with the bigger parties.
 
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RustyShackleford said:
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I'm not so sure GOP needs to go nuclear. What happens if they don't budge?

The filibuster means senate is gridlocked, how long would dems actually do that? No budget? Gov shutdown?

If this were a short term play I could see where it could work, but the term just started.
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-You can go nuclear on a SCTUS pick and keep in place for regular bills.

-The GOP doesn't need to beat a filllibuster to past a budget this year. Plus the Density are generally against shutting down the government
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I meant if Dems were to filibuster the SCOTUS nomination, then legislation freezes, no? that would include passing budget? May be mistaken on that.

In that sense, it wouldn't be Dems forcing the GOP to go nuclear, but the GOP forcing the dems to go that route.
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Yes, you are mistaken I believe. They can go nuclear for just Justice appointments.
 
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"Going nuclear" would be eliminating the 60 vote requirement in the senate for SCOTUS nominees right?

And if I'm correct, the GOP can apply that specifically to SCOTUS appointments only, leaving the filibuster intact for other processes.
 
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itsaboutthattime said:
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They've coincidentally been relentless since Trump called Putin...

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amel223 said:
The Harry Potter books has always had a liberal bent to it. Don't understand how you can enjoy the books and be a Trump fan to begin with. There was even a politician in the books that was a bumbling idiot like Trump that was not painted in a positive light at all
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Because the right wingers don't have too much to pick from the shelves when it comes to entertainment. Clint Eastwood, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, James Woods and Jon Voight. That's about it. They're pretty much forced to pick something liberal when it comes to arts and entertainment. Because they aren't capable of producing great art. Their art is stealing from the poor and destroying the planet. They're friggin Picassos when it comes to that.
 
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Colombia said:
 
Short summary of what happened in Belgium today:

Trump adviser, climate denier and fossil fuel lobbyist Myron Ebell was a guest speaker at a meeting in Brussels organized by the EU party "Alliance of conservatives and reformers".

A few hundred protesters organized outside the venue to protest his unfounded and extremely regressive views on climate.

At the meeting, he gave the opening speechsaid
 
"The climate change movement is the greatest threat to freedom and progress."

"The climate movement comes out of a belief in two things; that government command and control is to be preferred over individuals choosing their own course in life, making their own decisions. And that experts (pronouncing experts with a tone of contempt) really should be in charge of everything."
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He did not receive any applause. A few attendants of the meeting were interviewed and didn't explicitly condemn his views but said climate change and negotiations are important and that they will continue to negatiate with all countries.

The EU parliament debated Trump's travel ban (mostly referred to as travel ban here instead of muslim ban) amongst other things, condemning it across the board with the exception of Nigel Farage. He suggested the EU parliament should invite Trump and that the muslim ban is simply a continuation of previous Obama policies.

As he made those remarks, another parliament member held this up behind him

Both our national parliament and the Flemish (I live in Flanders) parliament debated the travel ban today. In both parliaments, condemnation of the travel ban was near unanimous. Our main conservative party, which is our largest party and holds the most seats in both parliaments also unanimously condemned the ban. Several members of our most conservative party spoke in support of it but it should be noted that they have long been marginalized for racist views and several members of said party have recently attended and spoke at a neo-nazi convention in Greece.

The debate focused mainly on how to respond to Trump. Most were in favor of a stronger response to Trump in condemning his actions from our top government officials. Minister-president Geert Bourgois (NVA member) in particular was criticized for responding to the travel ban with "it's arbitrary and in conflict with legal certainty". He stood by his comments, adding that he felt he was critical enough and is sufficient in demonstrating condemnation for Trump's actions.
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people goin learn the hard way..

cant wait to see the beating may is going to take.. and good lord when he actually goes over there
 
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It isn't like Farrakhan and the NOI haven't been out there for decades calling for peace and end to the violence... These people are something else man
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These people dont give a **** about Chicago. It's nothing but a ruse to score political points. I'm sure nothing will come of it.

These dudes better not capitulate to these people.
 
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whywesteppin said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-african-american-history-month-listening-session/
how is this real life
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Thought I was reading a The Onion article at the end
 
One supporter, Cleveland pastor Darrell Scott, told Mr. Trump that Chicago gang members had been in touch with him about possibly working with the Trump administration to reduce violence. Scott, a loyal Trump surrogate during the presidential campaign, said he would soon meet with “top gang thugs” who respected the president in order to discuss “lowering that body count.” 

“I think that’s a great idea because Chicago is totally out of control,” the president responded. Of the gangs, he said, “if they’re not going to solve the problem... then we’re going to solve the problem for them.”
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whywesteppin said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-african-american-history-month-listening-session/
how is this real life
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IDK how their going to incentivize "top gang thugs" to not kill as many people
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It isn't like Farrakhan and the NOI haven't been out there for decades calling for peace and end to the violence... These people are something else man
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These people dont give a **** about Chicago. It's nothing but a ruse to score political points. I'm sure nothing will come of it.

These dudes better not capitulate to these people.
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I saw a report recently that showed Chicago isn't even a top 10 city when it comes to gun violence, it just became the poster child "gangs out of control"
 
That's why they brought Jim Brown in, Jim Brown's got a history working with the gangs in LA so they'll use Jim as the face of what they want to do with Chicago to validate Jeff Sessions plans for Chicago
 
SFC415 said:
They love bringing up Chicago, but many states have far more gun violence/death rates than Illinois. Is Trump going to invade Alaska and Montana with the feds as well? Most Southern and Midwestern states have higher gun mortality rates than Illinois.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
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On the real I'm sick and tired of the stupid cats in office not getting the big picture as to why Chicago (let's face it, not all, but the bad parts) is the way it is. Let's ignore the destruction of homes to make way for expressways, lack of jobs in the areas, inadequate education, a terrible mayor.
 
who is this everyone he speaks of?

he said it, everyone repeated it.. then his people tried to claim it wasn't a "ban"

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago

Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!
 
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itsaboutthattime said:
who is this everyone he speaks of?

he said it, everyone repeated it.. then his people tried to claim it wasn't a "ban"


Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago


Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!
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"Bad people" with "bad intentions" out of the country and "bad people's" money out of American pockets

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...igration-ban-could-jeopardize-20-billion.html

Boeing is about to lose contracts worth $20 billion with Iran and Iraq

Iran agreed last year to buy 80 jetliners from Boeing Co. in a deal valued at $16.6 billion. Boeing said the deal has the potential to sustain thousands of U.S. jobs. Iraq also has a firm order to buy 10 Boeing 787 Dreamliners and 18 Boeing 737s.

Boeing's $16.6 billion deal to sell Iran 80 737 and 777 aircraft will support nearly 10,000 jobs, with many tied to Boeing operations in the Puget Sound region.
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"The last Cabinet nominee to be defeated thanks to losing senators from the president's own party was way back in 1925, when Calvin Coolidge's selection of Charles B. Warren for attorney general was rejected by both Democrats and some liberal Republicans."

Washington Post ‏@washingtonpost 1m1 minute ago

Betsy DeVos’s confirmation is suddenly on thin ice. Her defeat would be almost unprecedented.http://wapo.st/2kTgp8W  
 
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