***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

I'm on mobile and about to call it a night so I'll respond to Crc's self righteous nonsense tomorrow

 

[dathbgboy]

Pro-choice and anti-choice are slippery slippery slopes fellas. It's a thing where, you can't tell a woman what to do but then she forces u (the taxpayer) to pay for her child for the next 18 years outside of public education.

I'll be completely honest, I don't think some people should have children, I think that some men need to get vasectomies and some women need their tubes tied and burned. like CRC said, their are so many children in the foster care system, and majority are from parents who either get strung out on drugs or are just purely unfit. Now when those kids get taken away, these people turn around and have more children.

Neither Liberals nor Conservatives talk about the woes of the foster care system and they won't until someone w/ money makes them. That's one thing that I commend Mike Jackson for, I've read stories where when he first arrives in a new city/country/etc. first thing he does is goes to the local orphanage to check out the conditions. If they were up to his standards, he'd threaten to not perform unless the standards were met (e.g. new clothes for the kids, better meals, etc.)

As I sit back and watch the debates take place, it's become more clear now more than ever, these candidates are running on fear-induced campaigns. Fear of the other party, fear of ISIS, fear of financial instability.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

Women shouldnt dictate child support either, we gotta let these women be strong and independent #equality

 

[imreallydirknowitzki]

LOL @ 400k not being rich.

 

[crcballer55]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

 

[jthagreat]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

 

[rolaholic]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

Common sense is not so common

 

[dathbgboy]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

And what makes her entitled to a man's money?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

And what makes her entitled to a man's money?

She is not. The man's child is though

If she invest more of her time into raising the kid (which takes away from her being able to work), then the man should invest more financially.

The only argument to be made here is courts need to give dads more of a fair chance at getting custody.

But if a man, woman, hell anyone makes a damb child, they best be ready and willing to pay for raising it.

Only breaks I give are to poor people mostly.

Plus, lets not act like there are not a ton of women out there having to deal with dead beats too

 

[jthagreat]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

And what makes her entitled to a man's money?

are you talking divorces and alimony?

 

[dathbgboy]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

And what makes her entitled to a man's money?

are you talking divorces and alimony?

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

 

[Xennial]

400k is not rich man I make between that and less than a million a year and I own my own business. People making these statements and don't even know what it's like running a small business and the tax responsibility smh.

smh.  I know a girl thats in the same income range as you, living in Beverly Hills and talking about she's not rich in her BMW I8 lol.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

Because children cost money and unfortunately a lot of men won't adequately provide for their child unless their forced.

Obviously there are some cases of women abusing child support, but that's not what happens in general.

 

[dathbgboy]

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

Because children cost money and unfortunately a lot of men won't adequately provide for their child unless their forced.

Obviously there are some cases of women abusing child support, but that's not what happens in general.

The woman knew children cost money and opted to keep the child even though the man may have shown he wanted nothing to do with him/her/them or her after the that night of fornication.

She made a decision without him because it's her body and is now expecting him to pay for a decision SHE made.

You see how this topic is complicated and ugly?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

Because children cost money and unfortunately a lot of men won't adequately provide for their child unless their forced.

Obviously there are some cases of women abusing child support, but that's not what happens in general.

The woman knew children cost money and opted to keep the child even though the man may have shown he wanted nothing to do with him/her/them or her after the that night of fornication.

She made a decision without him because it's her body and is now expecting him to pay for a decision SHE made.

You see how this topic is complicated and ugly?

The man knew children cost most, but opted to have unprotected sex with a woman, even though he knew the risk and doesn't want a child

HE made that decision, and now because he wants to be a dead beat, she is expected to either abort the pregnancy to absolve the man of his responsibilities or to raise a all by herself.

The man had his say in the matter already. If he can prove that he didn't consent, then that may be another matter, and maybe that guy deserves a break.

Either you want your kid under your roof to take care or them, or you're willing to work extra hard to support that kid.

And I feel the same way about women that have to pay child support

It is not that complicated or ugly IMO

Women more often than not are the ones getting the rawer deal

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-Men should have a fairer shot at getting custody

-Child support should be tiered so as the child reaches certain ages is tapers off a lil

-Their needs to be intervention programs to prevent unwanted pregnancies

-Programs to make child care more affordable so mothers can work

-ALL KIDS AND FATHERS NEED TO HAVE DNA TEST WHEN THEY ARE BORN. And system to match dead beats to unclaimed kids

-A lets get serious about closing the wage gap, because that would incentivize more women to work

I could go on and on

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I'm all for intervention for preventing unwanted pregnancies, and helping support low income raise their children and give them a decent shot at life btw.

That I believe is also a responsibility of society, and benefits it as well in the long run

Before the NT republicans come running in here thinking I'm cosigning their "**** the poor" way of thinking

 

[dathbgboy]

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

Because children cost money and unfortunately a lot of men won't adequately provide for their child unless their forced.

Obviously there are some cases of women abusing child support, but that's not what happens in general.

The woman knew children cost money and opted to keep the child even though the man may have shown he wanted nothing to do with him/her/them or her after the that night of fornication.

She made a decision without him because it's her body and is now expecting him to pay for a decision SHE made.

You see how this topic is complicated and ugly?

The man knew children cost most, but opted to have unprotected sex with a woman, even though he knew the risk and doesn't want a child

HE made that decision, and now because he wants to be a dead beat, she is expected to either abort the pregnancy to absolve the man of his responsibilities or to raise a all by herself.

The man had his say in the matter already. If he can prove that he didn't consent, then that may be another matter, and maybe that guy deserves a break.

Either you want your kid under your roof to take care or them, or you're willing to work extra hard to support that kid.

And I feel the same way about women that have to pay child support

It is not that complicated or ugly IMO

Women more often than not are the ones getting the rawer deal

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-Men should have a fairer shot at getting custody

-Child support should be tiered so as the child reaches certain ages is tapers off a lil

-Their needs to be intervention programs to prevent unwanted pregnancies

-Programs to make child care more affordable so mothers can work

-ALL KIDS AND FATHERS NEED TO HAVE DNA TEST WHEN THEY ARE BORN. And system to match dead beats to unclaimed kids

-A lets get serious about closing the wage gap, because that would incentivize more women to work

I could go on and on

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I'm all for intervention for preventing unwanted pregnancies, and helping support low income raise their children and give them a decent shot at life btw.

That I believe is also a responsibility of society, and benefits it as well in the long run

Before the NT republicans come running in here thinking I'm cosigning their "**** the poor" way of thinking

She knew the costs as well though, correct? She knew that from a financial and life standpoint, she would come up short in the "deal" but still consented to sex. Do u get your money back after falling victim to predatory lending? Nope, does the bank compensate you, nope.

And I agree w/ you in your second stances as well, just so you and everyone else knows sad thing is, education and prevention is gone about all wrong. They put the bandaid on the cut after the fact instead of teaching how to handle sharp objects and it won't change.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

Because children cost money and unfortunately a lot of men won't adequately provide for their child unless their forced.

Obviously there are some cases of women abusing child support, but that's not what happens in general.

The woman knew children cost money and opted to keep the child even though the man may have shown he wanted nothing to do with him/her/them or her after the that night of fornication.

She made a decision without him because it's her body and is now expecting him to pay for a decision SHE made.

You see how this topic is complicated and ugly?

The man knew children cost most, but opted to have unprotected sex with a woman, even though he knew the risk and doesn't want a child

HE made that decision, and now because he wants to be a dead beat, she is expected to either abort the pregnancy to absolve the man of his responsibilities or to raise a all by herself.

The man had his say in the matter already. If he can prove that he didn't consent, then that may be another matter, and maybe that guy deserves a break.

Either you want your kid under your roof to take care or them, or you're willing to work extra hard to support that kid.

And I feel the same way about women that have to pay child support

It is not that complicated or ugly IMO

Women more often than not are the ones getting the rawer deal

-------------

-Men should have a fairer shot at getting custody

-Child support should be tiered so as the child reaches certain ages is tapers off a lil

-Their needs to be intervention programs to prevent unwanted pregnancies

-Programs to make child care more affordable so mothers can work

-ALL KIDS AND FATHERS NEED TO HAVE DNA TEST WHEN THEY ARE BORN. And system to match dead beats to unclaimed kids

-A lets get serious about closing the wage gap, because that would incentivize more women to work

I could go on and on

--------

I'm all for intervention for preventing unwanted pregnancies, and helping support low income raise their children and give them a decent shot at life btw.

That I believe is also a responsibility of society, and benefits it as well in the long run

Before the NT republicans come running in here thinking I'm cosigning their "**** the poor" way of thinking

She knew the costs as well though, correct? She knew that from a financial and life standpoint, she would come up short in the "deal" but still consented to sex. Do u get your money back after falling victim to predatory lending? Nope, does the bank compensate you, nope.

And I agree w/ you in your second stances as well, just so you and everyone else knows sad thing is, education and prevention is gone about all wrong. They put the bandaid on the cut after the fact instead of teaching how to handle sharp objects and it won't change.

Yes she knew the cost.

And if she chooses to have the child, she will pay them as well. A being a single mother is not some vacation, I think we can all agree on that

They are extremely costly to women, not only financially but in the time they have to put in raising them. If she has custody, career advancement is also hampered and child care cost are huge for someone having to work full time, let alone trying to over time. Add to the fact men don't face the discrimination women do in the work place

You literally start the month in the negative.

This is one of the reasons I believe child support is so high, because of the care of daycare.

When the man and woman had sex down, they both made that decision and pay some cost for the child that results from it.

Difference is that woman have a second/extra opportunity to decide whether or not they want to take on this responsibility. So in exchange for being the one to having to carry and deliver the kid, they get that

The man already had a say in the matter.

So he can cry me a river on why she gets two, and he gets one. When dudes can push babies out their dongs, then they can talk to me.
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On the subject of intervention and education, social conservative are against that too

It is like they can't come to grips with the fact young folk be smashing

 

[RustyShackleford]

Why we talking about abortion doe?

Crc tried to post some slick ****, and deflected onto this subject. Still gotta respond to that foolishness too

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Bernie once again shows why he the trilliest



But he been talking about this of course. Good to see him pushing this, along with Obama giving it attention

-I got a couple hundred I been saving for a phone. Might as well throw that Bernie's way again

 

[RustyShackleford]

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[jthagreat]

Men trying to dictate what is ultimately a woman's decision. Out.

What makes it solely a woman's decision? I know that's been the talking point for the last 40 years, but why?

her body.

And what makes her entitled to a man's money?

are you talking divorces and alimony?

Of course not, that's self-explanatory. I'm talking child support

not sure how i was suppose to know what you were talking about? we were talkin abortions

I dont think women should take advantage of men when it comes to child support...with that said, no argument here.

 

[eracism]

Hey guys,

I'm an Extreme Progressive Liberal from California who believes in abortion and the de-funding of Israel. Who is the candidate for me?

 

[rolaholic]

Hey guys,

I'm an Extreme Progressive Liberal from California who believes in abortion and the de-funding of Israel. Who is the candidate for me?

No mainstream Dem/Repub in that case ,the AIPAC machine has too strong of a hand in congress for ardent/objective critique of Israel. Even though he does believe in a 2 state solution,my man Bern has been sort of tepid with his criticism of Israel. Better than most of the principle candidates though who wouldn't dare speak out against it.

 

[duba169]

What about foreign aid to the other bastions of hope in the middle east? You okay with keeping that going?

Liberals hate israel now? See how much you hate them when you have no control over them after breaking off the relationship.

Btw Iran took another hostage. They are doing whatever the **** they want these days.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-hostage-in-iran-again

 

[Chopper]

Why we talking about abortion doe?

Crc tried to post some slick ****, and deflected onto this subject. Still gotta respond to that foolishness too

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Bernie once again shows why he the trilliest

But he been talking about this of course. Good to see him pushing this, along with Obama giving it attention

-I got a couple hundred I been saving for a phone. Might as well throw that Bernie's way again

Link went out: 

 

[RustyShackleford]

What about foreign aid to the other bastions of hope in the middle east? You okay with keeping that going?

Liberals hate israel now? See how much you hate them when you have no control over them after breaking off the relationship.

Btw Iran took another hostage. They are doing whatever the **** they want these days.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-hostage-in-iran-again

Wanting to Israel stop terrorizing Palestinians =/= Hating Israel .

And the country needs America more than we need them, by a long shot. What they gonna do without our protection and money? Catch a fade from every single direction?