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Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
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I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
 
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
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I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
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Truth, however again, the Dems told us Hillary was a girl, they didn't really give us a choice did they? And by a spine I'm talking about the being a bigger person crap they keep trying to pull when it comes to the GOP. The way they banded together to fight Bernie is what we as registered Democrats expect them to do against the GOP, not digress thinking that when it's their turn that they GOP will return the favor.

People voting for Stein, Johnson, Harambe, etc was a wake up call to the Democrats, plain and simple. The only negative part about that is that the people who mainly did that won't be affected by this **** that Trump and the GOP are pulling because they're white, and that's why they did it.

When I say "listen to the constituents" their constituents want them to fight back any way they can against what's going on.

Pointing the finger saying "Look what the GOP is doing" isn't really cutting it anymore bruh, because the people they're trying to convince really doesn't care.
 
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
Click to expand...

I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
Click to expand...

Truth, however again, the Dems told us Hillary was a girl, they didn't really give us a choice did they? And by a spine I'm talking about the being a bigger person crap they keep trying to pull when it comes to the GOP. The way they banded together to fight Bernie is what we as registered Democrats expect them to do against the GOP, not digress thinking that when it's their turn that they GOP will return the favor.

People voting for Stein, Johnson, Harambe, etc was a wake up call to the Democrats, plain and simple. The only negative part about that is that the people who mainly did that won't be affected by this **** that Trump and the GOP are pulling because they're white, and that's why they did it.

When I say "listen to the constituents" their constituents want them to fight back any way they can against what's going on.

Pointing the finger saying "Look what the GOP is doing" isn't really cutting it anymore bruh, because the people they're trying to convince really doesn't care.
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Sorry, but the all the DNC did was say vote fro Hillary because she is a woman? With all due respect, that is not true. The proposed policy to address nearly every member of the liberal coalition. You can say they didn't message on economics enough, cool. You can say that Clinton's slogan was bad because it didn't connect, fine. But it is a strawman to say all the Dems did was say "vote for her because she is a woman".

Democrats did not banned together to fight Bernie. They had a clear favorite, the long time high profile Democrat that has done a ton for the party, they showed favoritism (which was wrong) but they didn't ban together to fight Bernie. Biden and Obama endorsing Clinton in fall of 2015 would have done that, nothing close to that happened.

Bernie lost because he didn't give a **** about winning the Southern black vote, stupidity stayed too ignorant on social issues, purity tested everyone that dear not support him and relied to much on that tactic, and play fast and loose with the details on his plans. No one screwed him out of the nomination, because most members of their base didn't want Bernie to be the nominee.

We need to have a honest discussion about the primary. This "Bernie got screwed" stuff is plain and simple not true.

And again, concrete examples. Will the moderate Senators frustrate the hell outta me, these people will have to run for election in red states in 2018, and given the last couple midterms, Blue Dogs have not done well under those circumstances. So while it frustrates me, I can understand where they are coming from.

I'm sorry but these are adults voting. If you're a liberal that is usually inclined to vote Dem and you want to use the "the Dems left me no choice, I had to vote for Stein or a ******* Gorilla to wake them up", then these people enjoy being victims and having minorities martyred than they do fighting for progress.
 
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Dathbgboy said:
Nah, the wikileaks was their play and having the allies that are on the opposition helped w/ that. You can't deliberately hack the election because you don't know what the fallout would be. You plant a field of seeds, water them, and allow the whole political process of this country provide sunlight.
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I/e Cambridge Analytica











Or nah?
 
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RustyShackleford said:
 
itsaboutthattime said:
when does trump comment on milo's situation with CPAC?
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Milo isn't talking anymore, so It is a non story now. I heard Breitbart might even fire him.
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but but but..

Donald J. TrumpVerified account ‏@realDonaldTrump Feb 2

If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?
 
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
Click to expand...

I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
Click to expand...

Truth, however again, the Dems told us Hillary was a girl, they didn't really give us a choice did they? And by a spine I'm talking about the being a bigger person crap they keep trying to pull when it comes to the GOP. The way they banded together to fight Bernie is what we as registered Democrats expect them to do against the GOP, not digress thinking that when it's their turn that they GOP will return the favor.

People voting for Stein, Johnson, Harambe, etc was a wake up call to the Democrats, plain and simple. The only negative part about that is that the people who mainly did that won't be affected by this **** that Trump and the GOP are pulling because they're white, and that's why they did it.

When I say "listen to the constituents" their constituents want them to fight back any way they can against what's going on.

Pointing the finger saying "Look what the GOP is doing" isn't really cutting it anymore bruh, because the people they're trying to convince really doesn't care.
Click to expand...

Sorry, but the all the DNC did was say vote fro Hillary because she is a woman? With all due respect, that is not true. The proposed policy to address nearly every member of the liberal coalition. You can say they didn't message on economics enough, cool. You can say that Clinton's slogan was bad because it didn't connect, fine. But it is a strawman to say all the Dems did was say "vote for her because she is a woman".

Democrats did not banned together to fight Bernie. They had a clear favorite, the long time high profile Democrat that has done a ton for the party, they showed favoritism (which was wrong) but they didn't ban together to fight Bernie. Biden and Obama endorsing Clinton in fall of 2015 would have done that, nothing close to that happened.

Bernie lost because he didn't give a **** about winning the Southern black vote, stupidity stayed too ignorant on social issues, purity tested everyone that dear not support him and relied to much on that tactic, and play fast and loose with the details on his plans. No one screwed him out of the nomination, because most members of their base didn't want Bernie to be the nominee.

We need to have a honest discussion about the primary. This "Bernie got screwed" stuff is plain and simple not true.

And again, concrete examples. Will the moderate Senators frustrate the hell outta me, these people will have to run for election in red states in 2018, and given the last couple midterms, Blue Dogs have not done well under those circumstances. So while it frustrates me, I can understand where they are coming from.

I'm sorry but these are adults voting. If you're a liberal that is usually inclined to vote Dem and you want to use the "the Dems left me no choice, I had to vote for Stein or a ******* Gorilla to wake them up", then these people enjoy being victims and having minorities martyred than they do fighting for progress.
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Meant to say "our" girl, not "a" girl.

And Hillary being the favorite and Bernie showing steam did they not once rethink, nope, stuck to their guns about forcing Hillary on a group where many had their doubts about her for different reasons. And while it's all the same, why is it that less than moderate Republicans can move and do shady **** w/o impunity in Blue states while Dems in red states have to walk on eggshells, makes zero sense which means something has to change in their approach which is my point. This **** boy Toomey does whatever he wants in a state the usually is blue and it's all gravy, **** has to stop and I'm sure we can both agree w/ that.

Bottom line, Dems need to wake up, and get back to business. Some of the people in the party have the fight, others are just coasting along because they feel no threat to their position.
 
i dont really get the point of bringing up Hilary talk. again she beat Bernie in the primaries fairly and received endorsements from the President prior to the DNC if i remember correctly. Dude hopped on the ticket to run in all states so i can understand the point of favoritism being a competent but nothing to sway people from voting. Bernie not winning has just as much to do with the problems in his campaign similar to Hilary's. And if you wanted to vote for someone besides Hilary you had the man O'Malley wanting some love b

can you specify what you mean by Dems "waking up, and getting back to business" i dont really understand explicitly where they faltered or where you feel that they did. 
 
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
Click to expand...

I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
Click to expand...

Truth, however again, the Dems told us Hillary was a girl, they didn't really give us a choice did they? And by a spine I'm talking about the being a bigger person crap they keep trying to pull when it comes to the GOP. The way they banded together to fight Bernie is what we as registered Democrats expect them to do against the GOP, not digress thinking that when it's their turn that they GOP will return the favor.

People voting for Stein, Johnson, Harambe, etc was a wake up call to the Democrats, plain and simple. The only negative part about that is that the people who mainly did that won't be affected by this **** that Trump and the GOP are pulling because they're white, and that's why they did it.

When I say "listen to the constituents" their constituents want them to fight back any way they can against what's going on.

Pointing the finger saying "Look what the GOP is doing" isn't really cutting it anymore bruh, because the people they're trying to convince really doesn't care.
Click to expand...

Sorry, but the all the DNC did was say vote fro Hillary because she is a woman? With all due respect, that is not true. The proposed policy to address nearly every member of the liberal coalition. You can say they didn't message on economics enough, cool. You can say that Clinton's slogan was bad because it didn't connect, fine. But it is a strawman to say all the Dems did was say "vote for her because she is a woman".

Democrats did not banned together to fight Bernie. They had a clear favorite, the long time high profile Democrat that has done a ton for the party, they showed favoritism (which was wrong) but they didn't ban together to fight Bernie. Biden and Obama endorsing Clinton in fall of 2015 would have done that, nothing close to that happened.

Bernie lost because he didn't give a **** about winning the Southern black vote, stupidity stayed too ignorant on social issues, purity tested everyone that dear not support him and relied to much on that tactic, and play fast and loose with the details on his plans. No one screwed him out of the nomination, because most members of their base didn't want Bernie to be the nominee.

We need to have a honest discussion about the primary. This "Bernie got screwed" stuff is plain and simple not true.

And again, concrete examples. Will the moderate Senators frustrate the hell outta me, these people will have to run for election in red states in 2018, and given the last couple midterms, Blue Dogs have not done well under those circumstances. So while it frustrates me, I can understand where they are coming from.

I'm sorry but these are adults voting. If you're a liberal that is usually inclined to vote Dem and you want to use the "the Dems left me no choice, I had to vote for Stein or a ******* Gorilla to wake them up", then these people enjoy being victims and having minorities martyred than they do fighting for progress.
Click to expand...

Meant to say "our" girl, not "a" girl.

And Hillary being the favorite and Bernie showing steam did they not once rethink, nope, stuck to their guns about forcing Hillary on a group where many had their doubts about her for different reasons. And while it's all the same, why is it that less than moderate Republicans can move and do shady **** w/o impunity in Blue states while Dems in red states have to walk on eggshells, makes zero sense which means something has to change in their approach which is my point. This **** boy Toomey does whatever he wants in a state the usually is blue and it's all gravy, **** has to stop and I'm sure we can both agree w/ that.

Bottom line, Dems need to wake up, and get back to business. Some of the people in the party have the fight, others are just coasting along because they feel no threat to their position.
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-We had a primary. Bernie got washed. If Bernie had won, Hillary and the DNC would have rallied around him, and they would have tried to "forced him on people that didn't want him". Also there is a candidate that shows steam in every primary.

-And the reason Republicans have it easier that Dems is because Republican voters show up, plain and simple. They show up more in local elections and the damb sure show up up in Midterms. And these people put party of country. I mean you see it on NT with the "What didn't do this crowd". You ask them him if they voted in midterms in their comeback is "I vote for Obama twice". If liberal started showing up more, trust and believe moderates would swing in the different direction.

No matter how disappoint the Dems are, the fact of the matter is Dem voters need to wake up, we can't hold their feet to the fire unless we get them in power. Then we can have ideological battles in our primaries.

Like Osh said, complaining about the Dem not doing this or that is really just saying I want them to do what you like.
 
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seandon23 said:
Hopefully that is the case. Voter apathy is a huge problem in America but i still remain skeptical that people will turn out to vote.
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Same clowns will be here 4 years from now saying stuff like "BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME", "I just can't decide", "Da Rust Belt was hurting SOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY that they didn't have a choice".
 
aepps20 said:
seandon23 said:
Hopefully that is the case. Voter apathy is a huge problem in America but i still remain skeptical that people will turn out to vote.
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Same clowns will be here 4 years from now saying stuff like "BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME", "I just can't decide", "Da Rust Belt was hurting SOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY that they didn't have a choice".
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They ain't gonna be no voter apathy with Barson on the ballot famb.
 
aepps20 said:
Same clowns will be here 4 years from now saying stuff like "BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME", "I just can't decide", "Da Rust Belt was hurting SOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY that they didn't have a choice".
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hopefully people are awake for 2018 man. thats all we can hope for. when the topic on voting was brought up in one of my political science classes, people didnt even know about midterm elections 
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RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
RustyShackleford said:
Dathbgboy said:
Well in that case the Dems need to listen to their constituents and stop thinking they know what's best for everyone while ignoring key issues. People are fed up w/ the crap and to their disadvantage, those who usually vote Democrat have a brain to think for themselves for the most, which is a hindrance to the party.

Furthermore, they need to grow a spine when dealing w/ the GOP, at this point, trying to be the "bigger person" is a moot point when being that person cripples your party and the people who support you.
Click to expand...

I have said this a million times and I am going to ask it again. How did the Dems not listen to their constituents, and what key issues did they ignore? And how do they need to grow a spine?

With all dude respect, I hear these talking points used so much, but to be honest feel it is greatly exaggerated.

Voting for Jill Stein or Ralph Nader, especially in a swing state, is hardly something I would consider a wide choice
Click to expand...

Truth, however again, the Dems told us Hillary was a girl, they didn't really give us a choice did they? And by a spine I'm talking about the being a bigger person crap they keep trying to pull when it comes to the GOP. The way they banded together to fight Bernie is what we as registered Democrats expect them to do against the GOP, not digress thinking that when it's their turn that they GOP will return the favor.

People voting for Stein, Johnson, Harambe, etc was a wake up call to the Democrats, plain and simple. The only negative part about that is that the people who mainly did that won't be affected by this **** that Trump and the GOP are pulling because they're white, and that's why they did it.

When I say "listen to the constituents" their constituents want them to fight back any way they can against what's going on.

Pointing the finger saying "Look what the GOP is doing" isn't really cutting it anymore bruh, because the people they're trying to convince really doesn't care.
Click to expand...

Sorry, but the all the DNC did was say vote fro Hillary because she is a woman? With all due respect, that is not true. The proposed policy to address nearly every member of the liberal coalition. You can say they didn't message on economics enough, cool. You can say that Clinton's slogan was bad because it didn't connect, fine. But it is a strawman to say all the Dems did was say "vote for her because she is a woman".

Democrats did not banned together to fight Bernie. They had a clear favorite, the long time high profile Democrat that has done a ton for the party, they showed favoritism (which was wrong) but they didn't ban together to fight Bernie. Biden and Obama endorsing Clinton in fall of 2015 would have done that, nothing close to that happened.

Bernie lost because he didn't give a **** about winning the Southern black vote, stupidity stayed too ignorant on social issues, purity tested everyone that dear not support him and relied to much on that tactic, and play fast and loose with the details on his plans. No one screwed him out of the nomination, because most members of their base didn't want Bernie to be the nominee.

We need to have a honest discussion about the primary. This "Bernie got screwed" stuff is plain and simple not true.

And again, concrete examples. Will the moderate Senators frustrate the hell outta me, these people will have to run for election in red states in 2018, and given the last couple midterms, Blue Dogs have not done well under those circumstances. So while it frustrates me, I can understand where they are coming from.

I'm sorry but these are adults voting. If you're a liberal that is usually inclined to vote Dem and you want to use the "the Dems left me no choice, I had to vote for Stein or a ******* Gorilla to wake them up", then these people enjoy being victims and having minorities martyred than they do fighting for progress.
Click to expand...

Meant to say "our" girl, not "a" girl.

And Hillary being the favorite and Bernie showing steam did they not once rethink, nope, stuck to their guns about forcing Hillary on a group where many had their doubts about her for different reasons. And while it's all the same, why is it that less than moderate Republicans can move and do shady **** w/o impunity in Blue states while Dems in red states have to walk on eggshells, makes zero sense which means something has to change in their approach which is my point. This **** boy Toomey does whatever he wants in a state the usually is blue and it's all gravy, **** has to stop and I'm sure we can both agree w/ that.

Bottom line, Dems need to wake up, and get back to business. Some of the people in the party have the fight, others are just coasting along because they feel no threat to their position.
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-We had a primary. Bernie got washed. If Bernie had won, Hillary and the DNC would have rallied around him, and they would have tried to "forced him on people that didn't want him". Also there is a candidate that shows steam in every primary.

-And the reason Republicans have it easier that Dems is because Republican voters show up, plain and simple. They show up more in local elections and the damb sure show up up in Midterms. And these people put party of country. I mean you see it on NT with the "What didn't do this crowd". You ask them him if they voted in midterms in their comeback is "I vote for Obama twice". If liberal started showing up more, trust and believe moderates would swing in the different direction.

No matter how disappoint the Dems are, the fact of the matter is Dem voters need to wake up, we can't hold their feet to the fire unless we get them in power. Then we can have ideological battles in our primaries.

Like Osh said, complaining about the Dem not doing this or that is really just saying I want them to do what you like.
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Guess you're right, I want them to do what I like which is fight the opposition. It's beyond politics as usual at this point and some of them still think that it's the same ol same ol.

And as I mentioned before, Dems have to understand that their constituents don't consist of a bunch of mindless hacks that vote party no matter what. You have some that do but as most of the younger generations grow and learn more about politics, the landscape is changing. People don't vote for a lot of reasons but one of them is that the younger cats can't relate to the old guard in the DNC which is why the younger crowd in the DNC is what the party needs in order to strengthen the base.
 
Now on top of CPAC canceling his appearance,this just happened

700


It was all good for dude just a few days ago :rofl:

Imagine if Breitbart drops him now too,gotta be telling if you've gotten too toxic for even them :lol:
 
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