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[RustyShackleford]

@PaulaReidCBS:
BREAKING: Attorney General Jeff Sessions reverses Obama era DOJ efforts to reduce use of private prisons.

Of course this follows up the threat to crack down on States with legal marijuana laws

They aren't even trying to be coy about it

 

[rolaholic]

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/23/14703472/cpac-trump-travel-budget

Conservative activists refuse to believe Trump is spending more on travel than Obama
Updated by Jeff Stein Feb 23, 2017, 11:17am EST
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The Conservative Political Action Conference, being held this week in National Harbor. (Photo by NurPhoto/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland — Sarah Chaulk says she remains “extremely bitter” about how much taxpayer money was spent on President Barack Obama’s travel and family vacations during his time in office.

“When Obama put his dog on Air Force One and then told us to give more to help poor people, it was a slap in the face to the entire country,” Chaulk, 60, a graphic designer from Columbus, Ohio, said on Wednesday at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the marquee annual gathering for conservative activists.

Her friend Elaine Kent, 58, chimed in: “And when Michelle Obama and her friends went to Spain and spent millions of dollars on a vacation? They did so much nickel-and-diming of taxpayers."

They are less concerned — which is to say, not concerned at all — with recent reports that suggest President Trump cost taxpayers nearly as much in his first month in office as Obama did in a year. Their sentiments were widely shared here at CPAC, where attendees gave a wide array of explanations for why they were outraged by Obama’s travel spending but not Trump’s.


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“Mr. Obama went on so many vacations and played golf every week. The news media can say, ‘Trump went to Mar-a-Lago,’ and their hair catches on fire. But if they will look at this honestly — and I’m all for the truth — they’ll see Trump is just using his own resources and money to take care of things,” Chaulk said. “It doesn’t bother me one bit.”

Over the course of the Obama administration, outrage over the president’s travel expenses became a major talking point in right-wing circles. Though debunked by fact-checkers, one rumor claimed that first pup Bo Obama got his own personal flight to join the family in Hawaii. Another faulted Michelle Obama for her allegedly lavish Spanish getaway — though the Obamas personally paid for the bulk of its expenses.

Since taking office, Trump appears to have opened himself up to similar attacks. According to the Washington Post, Trump’s three trips to Mar-a-Lago have already cost a combined $10 million — compared with Obama’s average annual travel budget of $12 million. The Post reported that the first family’s “unusually elaborate lifestyle” poses massive new logistical hurdles, creating new strains on the Secret Service that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars.


Of course, the accusation of politically motivated reasoning — of dismissing conclusions that hurt your preferred party, candidate, or ideology — isn't limited to any part of the American political spectrum. It's nothing new, or particular to conservatives, for partisans to fit inconvenient facts into their preexisting narratives.

As Vox's Brian Resnick and Julia Belluz have written, research has found that people are remarkably adept at fitting new information to existing frameworks or beliefs:

We are often guided by our emotions and deeply held biases. Humans are also very adept at ignoring facts so that we can continue to see the world in a way that conforms to our preconceived notions. And simply stating factual information that contradicts those deeply held beliefs is often not enough to combat the spread of misinformation. And, frustratingly, research finds the more knowledgeable we are about politics, the more stubborn we get on politically charged topics. We use our smarts to protect the our political groups, and not to grapple with uncomfortable truths.
CPAC attendees: We don’t believe Trump’s trips are costing more than Obama’s

Grace Germany, a Trump voter unconcerned by his travel budget. (Jeff Stein/Vox)
On Wednesday, more than a dozen CPAC attendees greeted those reports with skepticism, hostility, and, in few occasions, mild concern.

Overwhelmingly, the most common reason they cited was that they didn’t trust the underlying story — because they didn’t trust the press to tell the truth.

Donald Ely, 83, a Pennsylvania Republican Party official, had heard the stories of Trump’s travel expenses. But he wasn’t sure he could trust them.

“I resented Obama going to all these places overseas, particularly because his agenda was anti-American,” Ely said. “But the way people make up the stories about the Trumps, I don’t know if I believe it. I don’t think it’s accurate.”

Similarly, Arthur Herstein, 74, a writer from Bowie, Maryland, said he was frustrated by Obama’s “over-the-top” vacation and travel expenses.

Still, Herstein said he doesn’t believe it’s the case that Trump is on pace to spend more on vacation and travel. He waved away a Washington Post story held up on a reporter’s phone.

“I believe that the story exists,” Herstein said. “But the facts in it can’t possibly be right. That absolutely can’t be right. How did Trump spend $10 million in one month and Obama spent $11 million in a year? It defies logic.”

Of course, the idea that Trump and his supporters are frustrated by the media is nothing new. But some CPAC attendees’ distrust of even government institutions ran strikingly deep.

“I don’t trust the bookkeepers. I don’t trust the people who say, ‘This president spent X and this president spent Y,’” said Roy Postel, 58, a real estate developer from near Chicago. “The whole bureaucracy is against Trump, so I’d like to know who is getting greased to tell us what Obama spent. I wouldn’t trust anyone with an estimate of what the Trump administration has spent on travel.”

CPAC attendees: Trump gave up a lot to become president
GOP Presidential Candidates Attend CPAC Conference In Washington DC
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When not blaming the news media, other conservatives at CPAC turned to different explanations for why Trump’s travel tab would outpace Obama’s.

Grace Germany, sporting an “Adios Obama” pin, said she was bothered that the Obamas would take a vacation with a “humongous entourage with all of their friends — and their friends’ friends — at taxpayer expense.”

She said it would bother her if Trump did the same, but that there’s no evidence he had so far. Asked about the Mar-a-Lago trips, Germany responded that they’re different because the Trump family is accustomed to staying in the Florida home — whereas, she said, the Obamas only started taking lavish trips once in office.

“That is what they had beforehand,” Germany said.

Like many others, Germany also pointed to Trump’s pledge to refuse the president’s $400,000 salary (one that appears to be true, even if it strikes critics as a stunt). If Trump was using taxpayer money for expensive travel, she reasoned, why wouldn’t he be taking the salary?

“You have to recognize that he’s not even taking a salary,” she said. “He’s not doing this for money.”

Kent, of Ohio, also argued that Trump’s weekend getaways to Mar-a-Lago don’t amount to vacations, since he’s held some official meetings and press conferences while at his Florida home.

“When they say ‘Mar-a-Lago,’ that’s not a vacation. He’s wearing suits — he’s clearly working,” Kent says. “It stuns me that they say he’s ‘on vacation.’ I say, ‘What vacation?’”

To be sure, not everyone at CPAC dismissed criticisms of Trump’s travel expenses out of hand. In particular, the three youngest attendees interviewed — all under 30 — admitted to being concerned.

For instance, Ryan Errotabere, a 24-year-old wearing a Make America Great Again hat, said he could be troubled by the news but needed to see more. “I’d approach it the same way if a government corporation was spending too much money,” agreed Coleman Theodore, 19, of Charleston, South Carolina. “We shouldn’t be spending tens of millions of dollars traveling on vacations.”

But among the older CPAC attendees, the story tended to be simpler: Obama had ripped off taxpayers to travel abroad, and there was no reason to believe Trump was doing the same.

David Goodrige, a conservative who came from Australia for this year’s CPAC, said Obama “spent an unbelievable amount of money,” including multiple jets and helicopters. But whereas Trump had to pay for his family in New York to fly to Florida, Obama’s family lived in DC, Goodridge said.

“With Barron and Melania in New York, Trump has to have a much more diverse security detail, and that’s going to be more expensive,” Goodridge said. “If Obama had Sasha and Malia in New York, you’d see a similar security expense.”

The level of delusion though

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...-as-obamas-cost-in-a-whole-year/#4938d02f36e4

 

[whywesteppin]

it's crazy that people think that not collecting $400k is a big deal economically.

like someone on here pointed out, the purpose of that salary was to dissuade elected officials from taking bribes. trump is basically saying he's open to bribes and he'll live even more richly by taking advantage of other paid expenses.

ultimately $10 million isn't a huge deal for the economy but it is approaching the level of funding for the arts that he wants to cut.

also hilarious that wearing a suit equates to working. the only reason he wears a suit is because his fat *** looks hideous in anything else.

 

[gry60]

If he keeps it up, we will be paying as much as 500 mil for his vacations by the end of his term, according to some articles.

10 mil/month * 12 * 4 yrs

 

[AEA18]

The Trump administration's attitude towards the EPA doesn’t bode well for the fight to eliminate third world conditions right here in the United States, says Coleman Flowers of the Alabama Center for Rural Enterprise

 

[Mr.Guy]

The young Mexican community gotta put the team on their back, they saved Cali, New Mexico, Colorado and NV from GOP buffoonery. Zona got next.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

But it will probably take like 10-16 years for the demographics to do work, hang in their famb

A lot of Mexicans vote Repub though. I have Mexican homies on FB talking about Blue Lives Matter and Law and Order etc...

 

[RustyShackleford]

The young Mexican community gotta put the team on their back, they saved Cali, New Mexico, Colorado and NV from GOP buffoonery. Zona got next.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

But it will probably take like 10-16 years for the demographics to do work, hang in their famb

A lot of Mexicans vote Repub though. I have Mexican homies on FB talking about Blue Lives Matter and Law and Order etc...

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

 

[Mr.Guy]

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

I hate to quote Ninja but Latinos, even Mexicans aren't a monolithic group. Many of them are pro Trump especially 2nd, 3rd, and
later gens. Go to Texas, AZ, parts of Cali etc. We dont need more conscious Latinos to vote to get Teump out the paint. We need more Whites to not vote for him.

 

[whywesteppin]

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

I picture the teacher from Stand and Deliver whenever you say stuff like this.

You would make a great high school teacher, and I mean that as a compliment. Not sure you'd have the patience for it though.

 

[Mark Antony]

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

I hate to quote Ninja but Latinos, even Mexicans aren't a monolithic group. Many of them are pro Trump especially 2nd, 3rd, and
later gens. Go to Texas, AZ, parts of Cali etc. We dont need more conscious Latinos to vote to get Teump out the paint. We need more Whites to not vote for him.

You don't know this.

 

[MVP]

Don't his wife and kids have to have SS protection everywhere too?

 

[RustyShackleford]

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

I hate to quote Ninja but Latinos, even Mexicans aren't a monolithic group. Many of them are pro Trump especially 2nd, 3rd, and
later gens. Go to Texas, AZ, parts of Cali etc. We dont need more conscious Latinos to vote to get Teump out the paint. We need more Whites to not vote for him.

Yes not all of them vote Dem, some even support Trump, but majority of Mexican American, especially the young ones, vote Democrat.

And those shifts in demographics have helped turned a number of states blue.

Let us just get it out the way from the jump, are you drunk again and about to go off on some rants? I'm legit worried about you famb.

 

[gry60]

The Trump administration's attitude towards the EPA doesn’t bode well for the fight to eliminate third world conditions right here in the United States, says Coleman Flowers of the Alabama Center for Rural Enterprise

Time to read up on typhoid, cholera, malaria, dengue, etc...

"I promise you folks, you will have great diseases. Yuge diseases. The best diseases"

 

[handullz]

You don't know this.

As a person living in Texas, his assessment on Latino-Trump supporters is not wrong.

There are A LOT more than folks think.

I was talking to my homey in Philly and he was shocked that any Mexican, especially in the south, supported Trump.

But many of them have the mentality of "i made it doing it this way, why can't you" and are in supported of massive deportations.

 

[whywesteppin]

I wouldn't be surprised if we have a handful of public health crises during trump's term.

Along with other crises.

There will be....

 

[SneakerProSr.]

You don't know this.

As a person living in Texas, his assessment on Latino-Trump supporters is not wrong.

There are A LOT more than folks think.

I was talking to my homey in Philly and he was shocked that any Mexican, especially in the south, supported Trump.

But many of them have the mentality of "i made it doing it this way, why can't you" and are in supported of massive deportations.

Cosigning all of of this.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Without looking at the official stats, just judging from personal experience, every 1/3 Mexican or Latino I have talked to about politics in general is a conservative or a Trump supporter. Of course they are not the majority, but they are out there.
And all I have met that fit that characteristic are deeply religious also.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You really need to stop using anecdotal evidence for everything.

I picture the teacher from Stand and Deliver whenever you say stuff like this.

You would make a great high school teacher, and I mean that as a compliment. Not sure you'd have the patience for it though.

I used to volunteer tutor high school kids before, but I had to take a break, those kids are usually poor, they go to **** schools all their lives, and it is heartbreaking to even be around them sometimes. Those kids aren't ready to face the world.

I teach Community College now, basic stats and sometimes cover intro economics. And yes, my patience is tested every time.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Eva Longoria is a Texican and doesn't support El Cheeto[emoji]174[/emoji] or the GOP.

 

[handullz]

Eva Longoria is a Texican and doesn't support El Cheeto[emoji]174[/emoji] or the GOP.

And Isaiah Thomas is a top five scorer in the NBA.

Anomalies are anomalies.

 

[trueprada]

 

[Mr.Guy]

Yes not all of them vote Dem, some even support Trump, but majority of Mexican American, especially the young ones, vote Democrat.

And those shifts in demographics have helped turned a number of states blue.

Let us just get it out the way from the jump, are you drunk again and about to go off on some rants? I'm legit worried about you famb.

Naw I'm sober. We still need more whites not to vote for Trump to get him out the paint. Colored votes are not enough.

 

[handullz]

Most times, when dudes pile on quote after quote with pre-election excuses for Trump, it gets extra lame extra quick.

However, this gif made me laugh my *** off

Especially the Emails with the "!!!1!!"

 

[RustyShackleford]

Exit polling and voter demographic research shows at Mexican American, especially young ones, even in Texas, lean left on average.

Most Mexican American voters vote Democrat. Yes there are some of those that don't.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I see former pro Trump stoners and transgender folks turning on Trump now on twitter