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"He was just a regular racist, that's not on us" 
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Countywide, Orange County did narrowly go blue for the first time since the Great Depression. The psychological impact of it is huge because when you look at a County by County map, every coastal County from San Diego up to Mendocino County is now blue.
Orange County is interesting because it is not that big but it has four very distinct political zones. You got little Mexico based around Santa Ana, which is solidly blue and is Loretta Sanchez' home base. In the west you got Indo China which is now slightly left with his Asian immigrants and urban professional and UCI community. The South West is slightly Republican with its old money making it conservative but its high levels of wealth and education make it avoid extreme conservatism. In the interior of the County you got the Reich. That place is Goldwater land, Reagan County and as we all now know it is home of actual Nazis.
Little Mexico will continue to just be blue and keep growing. Indo China will get get bluer because older Vietnamese are dying off and younger ones are much more politically liberal. The urban professionals will make it so that that zone does not go hard left. The Southwestern Coast, gin and tonic land, has voted Republican out of habit. My Grandparents voted for Eisenhower, their grandparents voted for Teddy Roosevelt and their grandparents voted for Lincoln and Fremont. As the old people die, the younger people are tentatively voting Democratic so I expect the place to be slightly left soon enough.
Now the Reich, they are red to the core. They are not just solidly Republican, they are reactionaries and unlike G&T land, they are powered by racial anxiety rather than mere plutocratic and cultural inertia. I hope that those people will leave and make good on their incessant promises to move to Arizona or Texas although those Western States my be in play in future Presidential elections so maybe I should ask them to stick around and just move to Modoc or Alpine County.
So while OC did go blue, five of its six Congressmen are GOP and while we Could wait for Rohrabacher's District to change with Demography, California should Gerrymander and turn every district in California Blue.
Orange County is interesting because it is not that big but it has four very distinct political zones. You got little Mexico based around Santa Ana, which is solidly blue and is Loretta Sanchez' home base. In the west you got Indo China which is now slightly left with his Asian immigrants and urban professional and UCI community. The South West is slightly Republican with its old money making it conservative but its high levels of wealth and education make it avoid extreme conservatism. In the interior of the County you got the Reich. That place is Goldwater land, Reagan County and as we all now know it is home of actual Nazis.
Little Mexico will continue to just be blue and keep growing. Indo China will get get bluer because older Vietnamese are dying off and younger ones are much more politically liberal. The urban professionals will make it so that that zone does not go hard left. The Southwestern Coast, gin and tonic land, has voted Republican out of habit. My Grandparents voted for Eisenhower, their grandparents voted for Teddy Roosevelt and their grandparents voted for Lincoln and Fremont. As the old people die, the younger people are tentatively voting Democratic so I expect the place to be slightly left soon enough.
Now the Reich, they are red to the core. They are not just solidly Republican, they are reactionaries and unlike G&T land, they are powered by racial anxiety rather than mere plutocratic and cultural inertia. I hope that those people will leave and make good on their incessant promises to move to Arizona or Texas although those Western States my be in play in future Presidential elections so maybe I should ask them to stick around and just move to Modoc or Alpine County.
So while OC did go blue, five of its six Congressmen are GOP and while we Could wait for Rohrabacher's District to change with Demography, California should Gerrymander and turn every district in California Blue.
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i immagine the Reich is where American History X types hang out.
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Oh yeah, lots of dirt bikes and raised pick trucks are there. They do the whole blue collar, skin head biker routine despite the fact that their dads were defense contractors and they all make money flipping houses. They aren't even doing badly economically but they hate minorities.
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She can do what Kellyanne Conway does currently
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Random, but was interesting. I know the debt is a little higher now, but it makes you think.
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Some of the main contributors to the debt increasing under Obama were not even caused by his policies too.
Most of the people that think of Reagan as an economic wizard think that way because of ignorance or straight up delusions. Or they are playing coy with their white supremacy
Most of the people that think of Reagan as an economic wizard think that way because of ignorance or straight up delusions. Or they are playing coy with their white supremacy
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Obama 2009-2010 budget was fat since he had a stimulus because of that whole second Great Depression thing. After that relatively scant and tax cut based stimulus, he went with Austerity and then after the GOP took over the house we have been in Austerity since that time.
It's also funny how conservatives claimed Obama made "government bigger" despite the fact that Obama actually shrank the federal work force and most of the growth was due to higher spending because the great Recession made a lot more people eligible for means based assistance programs while the tax base was shrinking.
It's also funny how conservatives claimed Obama made "government bigger" despite the fact that Obama actually shrank the federal work force and most of the growth was due to higher spending because the great Recession made a lot more people eligible for means based assistance programs while the tax base was shrinking.
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I hate the way you conflate Obama's policies with the GOP's.
There are real differences between what Obama wanted, what the Blue Dogs gave him, and what the GOP dug their heels in on later.
Every progressive I know does this, and after 8 plus years, it really grinds my gears.
There are real differences between what Obama wanted, what the Blue Dogs gave him, and what the GOP dug their heels in on later.
Every progressive I know does this, and after 8 plus years, it really grinds my gears.
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Looking back on it, two trillion of spending and low and middle income tax cuts were what was needed in 2009. Obama's White House asked for 1.2 trillion, blue dogs eventually gave him 800 billion and Republicans wanted him to have nothing.
I'm not conflating Obama with Republicans. I am criticizing him for failing a little bit on some of things that he did have under his control. Obama did succumb to Pete Peterson generated debt fever. Obama, back in late 2009 should have given an address to Congress and said something to the effect of:
"We have made the banks and very well off whole again (pause, allow for applause then turn on the Frank Lucas "My Man" and smile routine) but the work is only just beginning. Your feigned concerned over the national debt are just that, feigned. Worst yet, you crashed the Economy and have left millions of Americans buried in debt, much of it undischargable in bankruptcy proceedings which stands in stark contrast to the laws that allow your financial overlords to discharge debt at will. You people have conflated personal debt with sovereign debt, the former constrains a person and household's options while the later expands the nation's available options.
Today, I opt to continue the economic healing that started on Wall Street in in our leafy Suburbs and I opt to expand it all the way to main street, to make everyone whole again and to go beyond and to build a fairer and more equitable economy that is superior to what three decades of trickle down economics has created.
Now I know that Republicans and more than a few Democrats will bristle and try every single parliamentary trick imaginable so as to impose Austerity on the American people without ever having to utter it by name. Well you may stop me, you may stop me from making America whole, you may indeed deliver what your masters on wall street paid you to do but know this, every hardship imposed on an American: every family, every veteran, every young person, every retiree, every single person who plays by the rules and gets crushed by the edicts of your moneyed masters, that will be on you, it will be on your head and the voters will know this.
My God Bless America and may God have mercy on your souls."
I mean Republicans spent eight years calling our black President a demagogue and a divisive person, he should have obliged and fired up his base with dramatic and Gothic speeches like that. Would it have worked, may not but it could not have yielded worse results than what happened in the 2010 midterms anyway.
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You are conflating the two if you present it like Obama only passed a sizable budget because he had to as a result of the recession, and he choose himself in impose "austerity" on the country. You then say we have been in Austerity even since the GOP took over. That implies the Obama and the GOP support similar policies.
And again with this "Obama should have done more" stuff.
So whether it be from you, Bernie Sanders, or the majority of the progressive the left, the major criticism remains that Obama mistake is that he didn't stay in campaign mode to whip up support for every lil progressive thing he wanted done. So to get another another stimulus passed, infrastructure spending, gun control, a public option, "insert progressive policy here", he just should have done more. Oh ok.
Sounds like more demands of a political magic negro steez. Yep, he should have given a speech in hopes that whipped up his base enough, because hey, the white nationalism (that no progressive was daring to really call out at the time) was coming for his *** anyway.
Yeah b, the gears still grinding.
And again with this "Obama should have done more" stuff.
So whether it be from you, Bernie Sanders, or the majority of the progressive the left, the major criticism remains that Obama mistake is that he didn't stay in campaign mode to whip up support for every lil progressive thing he wanted done. So to get another another stimulus passed, infrastructure spending, gun control, a public option, "insert progressive policy here", he just should have done more. Oh ok.
Sounds like more demands of a political magic negro steez. Yep, he should have given a speech in hopes that whipped up his base enough, because hey, the white nationalism (that no progressive was daring to really call out at the time) was coming for his *** anyway.
Yeah b, the gears still grinding.
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I don't expect magic from Obama but I was surprised at how slowly it dawned upon him just how much Republicans were working in bad faith. After about February of 2009 all the hope and change and purple America stuff should have been out the window. He should have gone straight adversarial like he did when he won in 2012, he may have done better in the mid terms, maybe he still would have gotten washed but it was a bad look to make your final act as Senator in 2008 to vote for a Wall Street Bail out and within 18 months to convene a conference on debt reduction.
We needed more spending at the time not debt reduction, liberal economists at the time knew it and for some reason Barack Obama, of his own volition called for that commission to be formed. I don't think that Obama was stupid or corrupt but he was naive to think that GOP concerns about the debt were genuine and that addressing them would increase his political capital.
Now I will concede that putting Obama's actions and GOP policy choice under the same umbrella that is austerity was inaccurate. And also, yeah, white progressives needed to be much more willing to say the entire truth. They knew the truth about the economy and the truth about how Wall Street wanted to deny ordinary Americans the same aid that it had recently received but for some reason, white progressive were reluctant to "play the race card." They should have said "let's be honest, conservatives are painting our first black President as some out of control, thriftless young buck despite the fact that he is simply trying to clean up the mess left by Republican Laissez-Faire capitalism."
Due to term limits, Obama is out the political game now but those same older, white progressive are still there and while it is hard to change your ways when you are old, it is imperative that white progressives get more familiar with how White Supremacy works and to be less shy about mentioning it, especially when its influence hampers our ability to make government work for the average person of any background.
We needed more spending at the time not debt reduction, liberal economists at the time knew it and for some reason Barack Obama, of his own volition called for that commission to be formed. I don't think that Obama was stupid or corrupt but he was naive to think that GOP concerns about the debt were genuine and that addressing them would increase his political capital.
Now I will concede that putting Obama's actions and GOP policy choice under the same umbrella that is austerity was inaccurate. And also, yeah, white progressives needed to be much more willing to say the entire truth. They knew the truth about the economy and the truth about how Wall Street wanted to deny ordinary Americans the same aid that it had recently received but for some reason, white progressive were reluctant to "play the race card." They should have said "let's be honest, conservatives are painting our first black President as some out of control, thriftless young buck despite the fact that he is simply trying to clean up the mess left by Republican Laissez-Faire capitalism."
Due to term limits, Obama is out the political game now but those same older, white progressive are still there and while it is hard to change your ways when you are old, it is imperative that white progressives get more familiar with how White Supremacy works and to be less shy about mentioning it, especially when its influence hampers our ability to make government work for the average person of any background.
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-You want to call him naive, fine, but reaching across the aisle was a core message of his campaign. Now matter how much progressive like to take credit for his 2008 victory, the 2008 Obama coalition was way more expansive than people realize. Any politician would hesitate at alienating a block of their voters so early.
Not only that, the Senate had a collection of the finest **** boy moderate Dems you could assemble. He may have thought at the time that burning the few moderate Republicans in the Senate was a bad move because he may need to rely on one down the road. I dunno.
But that is a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking to be doing given the situation he was in.
-Again you want to talk about a bad look, but you don't mention that Obama's debt reduction plan (while it include cuts to entitlement spending) also was heavy on taxing the rich. With Blue Dogs in his own party throwing him under the bus on the deficit, progressives got mad him because said "ok let's us compromise".
-I have lost all faith in old white men changing their behaviors. Old white progressive seemed just as concerned with minorities playing "identity politics" as they are with white supremacy.
Not only that, the Senate had a collection of the finest **** boy moderate Dems you could assemble. He may have thought at the time that burning the few moderate Republicans in the Senate was a bad move because he may need to rely on one down the road. I dunno.
But that is a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking to be doing given the situation he was in.
-Again you want to talk about a bad look, but you don't mention that Obama's debt reduction plan (while it include cuts to entitlement spending) also was heavy on taxing the rich. With Blue Dogs in his own party throwing him under the bus on the deficit, progressives got mad him because said "ok let's us compromise".
-I have lost all faith in old white men changing their behaviors. Old white progressive seemed just as concerned with minorities playing "identity politics" as they are with white supremacy.
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*George Bush Jr. voice*: "Or nah"
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2000 was so weird.
Al Gore was an angry populist, Conservatives "acted" like they cared about the marginalized, Donald Trump was a moderate and left the Reform Party because he couldn't stand Pat Buchanan's bigotry, a good faction of liberals wanted tax breaks, Southern states that voted for Clinton now felt Bill Clinton was too left wing (da ****), the President was popular but considered too toxic on the campaign trial by his VP.
What a time to be alive.
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Random, but was interesting. I know the debt is a little higher now, but it makes you think.
One thing I love about the right and conservatives is how they finesse / use the numbers.
They throw out numbers that, on surface, appear to paint a certain story.
88% if black murders are from blah people. That's insane!
Zeroboma has the debt at 16tr. He raised it more than any other president combined!
Asianz have the highest mean income. What do you mean white privilege?
My insurance premium went up by 150%! Repeal ACA!
Our GDP growth was the slowest ever. Our economy is in such a wreck!
Republicans finesse game is
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I don't remember much from the Bush days aside from the last few years of his terms. I was only 6 when he won the presidency. I do remember 9/11 vividly. We were in class at the time and our principal came in and told us there was a big attack on America and cancelled school for the next few days. I saw the attacks on tv when I got home and it gave me nightmares for a while. Most of us were very shook up about it for some time.
I remember there being massive criticism of Bush and the Iraq war in his second term but I don't recall the initial reception to it.
The criticism was everywhere during his second term though, in the news, papers, people talking about it all the time, ...
That played a large role in the overwhelming support for Obama here when he first ran. You'd think the man was a saint from all the support his campaign got. I think I saw more Obama billboards, posters, ... around than billboards for our own national elections
I remember there being massive criticism of Bush and the Iraq war in his second term but I don't recall the initial reception to it.
The criticism was everywhere during his second term though, in the news, papers, people talking about it all the time, ...
That played a large role in the overwhelming support for Obama here when he first ran. You'd think the man was a saint from all the support his campaign got. I think I saw more Obama billboards, posters, ... around than billboards for our own national elections
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George W. for all his terrible decisions at least had one positive trait - He was a lovable goofball. This Bigot has zero positive traits. None. Here are some George W. highlights, never thought I would feel nostalgic about this guy:
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I don't remember much from the Bush days aside from the last few years of his terms. I was only 6 when he won the presidency. I do remember 9/11 vividly. We were in class at the time and our principal came in and told us there was a big attack on America and cancelled school for the next few days. I saw the attacks on tv when I got home and it gave me nightmares for a while. Most of us were very shook up about it for some time.
I remember there being massive criticism of Bush and the Iraq war in his second term but I don't recall the initial reception to it.
The criticism was everywhere during his second term though, in the news, papers, people talking about it all the time, ...
That played a large role in the overwhelming support for Obama here when he first ran. You'd think the man was a saint from all the support his campaign got. I think I saw more Obama billboards, posters, ... around than billboards for our own national elections
Damn. Young blood. God bless your heart. Maybe one day you can still be a nurse yet?
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Damn,not something encouraging to hear when they're voting on the DNC chair later
. I'm pretty certain that the donors and their $ will be there regardless as long as Trump continues implementing his agenda,the debate should be centered about trying to reconnect with the disillusioned Dem voters who sat it out or went 3rd party. Not some misguided attempt at wooing in the elusive "moderates" who seem to be rather susceptible to WS rhetoric under the guise of economic alleviation.
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Burnie with the flamethrower
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Damn,not something encouraging to hear when they're voting on the DNC chair later
Those Dems are right though. Obama put restrictions on the corporate money that could flow into the DNC after 2008. At the same time the Koch Brothers flood the GOP. That is one of the major contributing factors to their loses, that the fact is many state parties are broke and have been broke for a while.
For anyone to think the Dems can fight back in the short term without more funding is crazy. Corporate money is a necessary evil right now.
