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Dathbgboy said:
We're (dark-skinned Americans) are the spokespeople for all minorities except Asians because they're the good ones

This country wasn't created for us so no matter what, how much time passes, we'll be looked at as a problem. If we don't succeed, we're lazy and moochers but if we do succeed then we're taking good things from honest hard-working Americans.

Only way to change this is to take over the country the same it was taken over when the settlers did it.
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I'm inclined to agree, but this is depressing to read. How do you propose this to happen?
 
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Rolaholic said:
There's crazies on both sides...

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Ture. But some Bernie supporters are sinking too Tea Party level stubbornness.

Some Bernie supporters calling everyone that endorses Clinton part of the "establishment" and "bought'. Mocking black people that don't get behind Bernie. While using the plight of black community has talking points

My homeboy volunteers across the street from our campus, at this Bernie Sanders campaign office. They have to lecture folk on how to behave in public. To stop attacking and Clinton supporters and black folk at events. Go read Sander's Reddit page, there are constantly threads telling folk how to behave. And it devolves into a Clinton shading fest

I don't mean to paint the entire campaign with a wide brush, but many of these people are embarrassing themselves, Bernie, and the progressive movement as a whole
 
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RustyShackleford said:
Ture. But some Bernie supporters are sinking too Tea Party level stubbornness.

Some Bernie supporters calling everyone that endorses Clinton part of the "establishment" and "bought'. Mocking black people that don't get behind Bernie. While using the plight of black community has talking points

My homeboy volunteers across the street from our campus, at this Bernie Sanders campaign office. They have to lecture folk on how to behave in public. To stop attacking and Clinton supporters and black folk at events. Go read Sander's Reddit page, there are constantly threads telling folk how to behave. And it devolves into a Clinton shading fest

I don't mean to paint the entire campaign with a wide brush, but many of these people are embarrassing themselves, Bernie, and the progressive movement as a whole
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I cannot speak for all Bernie supporters but I do not hate or dislike white Hillary supporters or black people who support Hillary. I am, however, disappointed in the former and puzzled about the latter.

Among white, democratic primary voters, it generally breaks down that the wealthier a person is, the more likely they are to vote for Hillary. Among white voters, this Democratic primary is a struggle between the haves and the have nots.

I'm involved in local Democratic Party politics and I know some women who became school teachers in the 1970's. These women generally graduated with no student loans, they had a chance to become home owners in the early 80's and buy stocks and bonds and they are comfortably retired now. My fiancee has friends who graduated from the same colleges, teach at the same schools and they are indebted, unable to acquire wealth and unless they marry rich and/or inherit money, home ownership is not in their futures. I ask the retired school teachers why the new school teachers are so broke and they say it is because "today's generation doesn't work hard."

I just wish that white Hillary supporters would be honest and say "I want my abortions and gay weddings but I oppose economic liberalism. I got mine and f--- everyone else." Instead, they claim that their candidate is actually more progressive and they know it's BS.

In general elections, progressive are dismayed at how often the smug and out of touch rich ally with poor whites and win elections. Within the context of the Democratic primary, many Bernie supporters see a similar alliance emerging. You have baby boomers who are wealthy, largely because they were born when college and home ownership were affordable, allying with the black working class.

I try to remind my fellow Bernie supporters that women and LGBT people, especially those born before circa 1960, faced and do face forms of discrimination that we do not. I try to emphasize that unlike poor, Republican whites, who vote against their own interests, black, Democratic voters have have much to lose if a Republican wins the Presidency and they are playing it safe by supporting Hillary in this primary.

We are ultimately on the same team but it is hard to ask for moderation when people genuinely believe that unless Bernie Sanders gets elected, we are in a death spiral that is leading to oligarchy and serfdom.
 
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Dathbgboy said:
We're (dark-skinned Americans) are the spokespeople for all minorities except Asians because they're the good ones


This country wasn't created for us so no matter what, how much time passes, we'll be looked at as a problem. If we don't succeed, we're lazy and moochers but if we do succeed then we're taking good things from honest hard-working Americans.

Only way to change this is to take over the country the same it was taken over when the settlers did it.
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I'm inclined to agree, but this is depressing to read. How do you propose this to happen?
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Only way for it to happen is for a full all out "rebellion" but we're too "civilized" for that so the status will always remain. Even if the majority becomes a minority,they'll will just make laws and rules that continue to benefit them. Nothing will change here.
 
When it comes to healthcare, liberals and conservatives need to be honest.

We as liberals need to admit that some people who are very healthy and/or those who have great healthcare plans, will pay more and/or have lower quality plans than they would under the old system.

Conservatives have to admit that the old system and any of their putative marketcentric systems will leave some people dead and/or bankrupt.

You simply cannot cover everyone and have lower costs for everybody. From 1942 to 2013, we had a system where healthcare was provided through employers, who enjoyed a tax break by providing health insurance to employees. In the middle of the 20th Century, workers were better compensated so good health insurance was provided through employers for a majority of workers.

In recent decades, workers have lost ground and in addition to declining wages, benefits have fallen off as well. By the early 21st Century, the 20% or so of workers who are genuinely middle and upper-middle class, had great plans and Obamacare caused them to take a slight downgrade but the positive trade off is that millions of people, especially small business people and part-timers now have affordable health insurance.

Cruz and other conservatives have no answer to healthcare questions because Obamacare is the right wing healthcare reform policy. If Obama had imposed universal healthcare, Cruz could say that health insurance exchanges would have been a superior alternative. The problem for Cruz is that Obamacare is a series of healthcare exchanges and the only way you can move to the right of that is to propose a return to the old, chaotic, pre Obamacare system, which left many people sick and broke and dead. Either that or propose that people pay their doctor by bartering chickens, a la Sue Lowden.
 
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DubA169 said:
I honestly believe that while in theory reparations make sense it would backfire. People would basically be like "racism is over. Done. Move on. Salvery was how long ago? Get over it. Black president plus reparations, nothing else to talk about."

As far as an official apology it would very strange coming from obama
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but they already act like that.......
 
I dunno about that. There has been alot of attention paid to black plight and police activity with regards to how they treat black ppl in the last few years. There are still government programs which try to help black people. I just see it having serious unintended negative actions.

I really wonder what the specifics would be though. How it would work
 
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DubA169 said:
I dunno about that. There has been alot of attention paid to black plight and police activity with regards to how they treat black ppl in the last few years. There are still government programs which try to help black people. I just see it having serious unintended negative actions.

I really wonder what the specifics would be though. How it would work
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Yea lots of attention and yet no action.
 
DubA169 said:
I dunno about that. There has been alot of attention paid to black plight and police activity with regards to how they treat black ppl in the last few years. There are still government programs which try to help black people. I just see it having serious unintended negative actions.

I really wonder what the specifics would be though. How it would work
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Which programs are these?
 
DubA169 said:
Affirmative action, minority business development agency, EEOC, various grants.
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Affirmative Action that has benefited white women and large corporation the most

The EEOC, which it's goal to fight for "equality". yet civil rights lawsuits are still hard to bring forward because of other laws

Grants? So no other race, especially whites, get grants?

And the Minority Business Development Agency, whose annual budget is only $30 million

That's all you can think of brah? Half of the programs are to alleviate the oppression black folk live under

And how have these programs unintentionally hurt black folk. i would love to hear that as well
 
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Im not a bernie sanders supporter, i'm not telling black people what to think. My opinion is it will have a large backlash and possibly some unintended consequences. That's all i was sharing. I'm not trying to have a big argument because it's not something i'm against in principal
 
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