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Poll Results: Will the Washington Wizards make the playoffs this year?

Poll expired: Oct 31, 2012  
  • 26% (7)
    Yes
  • 73% (19)
    No
26 Total Votes  
post #31 of 1082
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Originally Posted by WAVY BONE View Post

Shelvin Mack is a grade A bum.
And as the third pick in the draft...I don't see why Beal shouldn't be ready for big minutes.
James Harden went 23 minutes per game off the bench in his rookie season. Beal should see even more.

Yeah, I see no reason why they don't start Beal off the bat. If he was to come off the bench, there would be no shooters in the starting lineup (assuming Cartier Martin wasn't the starting 2 - but why would they do that?).

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Originally Posted by MrTarHeel View Post

Well as long as we have Erine we will struggle. " Now we have a hardy crew of experienced underachievers" Thats the best way to put it. If Arzia and Oakfor played on a team that was just as bad as the Wizards last year, how in the world can they help us?

I'm with you on Ernie. However, what else do you think he could have done in a trade to move Shard? Who else was out there? Also, Ariza/Okafor are off the books in 2 seasons, and will be attractive expiring deals next year.
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Originally Posted by JesusShuttlesworth34 View Post

I wasn't particularly fond of any of the additions we made last season, they all seem like moves that just further perpetuate mediocrity.

I love the addition of Nene. That being said, something had to be done to get rid of Blatche/McGee/Young. That trio wasn't working and was hindering the development of wall and also hurting the team.

I was saying it before, but I think this team is going to have a completely different look in 2014. Hopefully by then, DC will be an attractive FA destination due to the fact that the team will be trending upwards.
post #32 of 1082

Well I know he had to move Lewis, but he didn't have to give up the pick. But it was a second round pick, and he probably would have drafted another no name player from overseas that cant play right away.

post #33 of 1082
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Originally Posted by MrTarHeel View Post

Well I know he had to move Lewis, but he didn't have to give up the pick. But it was a second round pick, and he probably would have drafted another no name player from overseas that cant play right away.

The roster is damn near full. Using that 2nd round pick on a player you want in your rotation meant limited playing time or another young player the team's invested in getting moved.

There's already a logjam now at the forward spots.
post #34 of 1082
They could have waived Lewis and made a play for Scola (amnesty waiver) and a bargain small forward like Brewer.

But I understand the move for Okafor and Ariza
post #35 of 1082
I know it's the first preseason game and many key players are missing but...

These dudes look terrible.

Jan Vesley is still a foul machine. 5 fouls in 17 minutes.
post #36 of 1082
Crawford is shooting 3 for 12 with more turnovers than assists.

Beal is 5 of 10...no turnovers.
post #37 of 1082
Thread Starter 

Well, that was ugly.  

 

 

Anyone catch this article?  http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/04/wizards-ted-leonsis.ap/index.html

 

 

With reality quickly setting in, Ted Leonsis seems less than bullish on the upcoming season: 

 

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"We would all find it unacceptable if we finished with the second- or third-worst record in the NBA this year," Leonsis said. "That would be a failure, and the failure would start with me."

 

Way to raise the bar, Ted. 

 

 

 

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The Wizards could snag Eric Maynor (or other player like him) to replace Mack. Maynor is a great quality true PG.

I'd be happy to have Maynor as the backup, but he's still under contract with OKC and they're almost certain to pick up his option for 2013-2014. 

 

Pargo's a decent addition under the circumstances.  You just hope he can find a way to play FOR us the way he played AGAINST us while a member of the Bulls.  All he did was hit big shots. 

 

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They could have waived Lewis and made a play for Scola (amnesty waiver) and a bargain small forward like Brewer.

I'm not a Brewer fan, but I agree wholeheartedly on Lewis and the amnesty waivers.  GOOD players were available this summer and we refused to throw out a bid for ANY of them.  

 

Honestly, is paying the league minimum for Elton Brand that much worse than paying FOURTEEN MILLION for Emeka Okafor?  New Orleans did what the Wizards were too cheap and cowardly to do, and their franchise will benefit from it.  They have the roster flexibility we now lack.  We are essentially locked in to mediocrity at multiple positions, because we insisted on overpaying for second & third-tier talent.  Normally, this occurs when teams panic at the thought of losing a key contributor and spend too much to retain their own players.  We voluntarily took on other teams' toxic waste - and PAID for the privilege!

 

 

It's fair to say that today's game wasn't an accurate representation of what we can expect this season.  We were without Wall, Nene, Okafor, Booker, and Pargo.  Charlotte was at full strength.  We were at half-strength - and that's being kind.  

 

I'm not going to pretend that Wall or Nene are MVP candidates... or even All Star candidates... but, for better or worse, they are our two best players and it's difficult to win whenever you're without MULTIPLE starters.  As discouraging as the loss is, I'm not ready to declare the Wizards worse than the Bobcats just yet.  

 

I do expect a "bobcats bump" to influence our poll question, however. 

post #38 of 1082
Just read the article, and honestly Meth, I don't have an issue with the quote you posted from him. I think ANYONE who follows this team would find it to be unacceptable to have a horrible record like they've had for the past couple of seasons.

Rest of his quote
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"That would be a failure, and the failure would start with me."

Again, I still say this team SHOULD win between 35-40 games this year. Most crucial part of the season is the first month. Reason being, we have to see how they'll play without wall - and possibly Nene. IF they can float around .500 for that stretch, I'd like our chances going forward.
post #39 of 1082
Thread Starter 

You're comfortable with him setting the bar at "it's not a failure unless we have a worse record this year than we had over the past two seasons?"  

 

If they have the fourth-worst record in the league, that's not a failure?  

 


You can only blame Abe for so much.  Ted is responsible for keeping Ernie.  Ted is responsible for choosing Randy Wittman over many superior candidates.  Ted is responsible for the state of the team's scouting, for the team's athletic trainers, and for the modernization (or lack thereof) of the team's front office re: stats/metrics, etc. 

 

Who's helping our young players develop?  Who's keeping them healthy?  Who's evaluating our trades and draft picks?  All of that falls on Ted's shoulders.  For him to look at what fans are spending on tickets, let alone what he's spending on this roster, and say, "well, it's only a failure if we're not as bad as we were last year" is a joke.  

 

It's not a good sign when you spend $28 million per year on two frountcourt players with a grand total of ZERO All Star appearances, then tell your fans, in essence, "I'd like to make the playoffs, but as long as we aren't in the bottom three then I've done my job."  Then why the hell did you lock us in to two more years of mediocrity if you didn't expect those players to take you to the playoffs?  Have some guts.  Say, "if we don't make the playoffs, we've failed our loyal fans and we will THOROUGHLY reevaluate our entire approach."  

 

Granted, the quote could have been pulled out of context.  He could've been asked about his tenure to date and referencing the second- and third-worst records in the entire league is a means of saying "if we're as bad this year as we were in my first two years as majority owner, then it's a big problem and that starts with me."  Fine.  But I think the team's fans deserve better than that.

 

There are a good number of "high class" organizations in this league investing heavily in all of the areas the Wizards continue to neglect.  We don't have a first-rate anything.  

 

Abe Pollin ran the team like a "family business." In other words, he made a bunch of cheap, nepotistic hires to fill vacancies.  Cronyism isn't exactly the best way to build a winning organization.  We still have Flip Saunders' son on the coaching staff.  Why?  Because he, like Wittman, is still under contract?  That's garbage.  

 

Our players get hurt all the time.  Is that just dumb luck, or is it possible that we don't have the type of training staff Phoenix does?  Our players never develop.  Is that just dumb luck, or is it possible that we don't have the type of scouting and coaching that San Antonio does?  

 

JaVale McGee may be a knucklehead, but what other team would tell their "franchise center" that he'll have to go out and hire his own big man coach?!  

 

 

Ted had the opportunity to clean house after he took over and he failed.  Yes, the roster has been turned almost completely over - but let's be honest, the players weren't the problem.  

 

If you hire the three stooges to fix your plumbing, you don't get to say, "well, golly, it's not my fault.  The plumbers I hired underachieved."  No, the personnel you hired didn't underachieve.  You just made a stupid hire.  

 

Team records fluctuate from year to year, but over time there are pretty clear patterns in franchise performance.  You can't blame all of that on Andray Blatche and Gilbert Arenas. 

 

This organization needed a complete overhaul, not a facelift.  Leonsis hasn't demonstrated the courage needed to truly clean house and kick all of Abe's flunkies to the curb.  That's the true test of Ted's mettle.  Instead, we got an amnesty waiver and new uniforms.  

 

 

“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”   - Albert Einstein
post #40 of 1082
Actually, I didn't get that from what he said. As a beaten down Wizards fan, I can understand WHY you'd be skeptical of the quote - and for good reason. The team has had a series of missteps for the better part of the past decade (or more). No need to beat a dead horse, but getting guys in here who are good professionals was ESSENTIAL to the development of John Wall. We're kidding ourselves if we believe his trajectory wasn't hindered by the organizational structure before the house was cleaned. But going back to the quote, to me, Leonsis is saying that if we remain a joke by way of having another horrible season, then by all means point the finger at him for helping to construct this roster.

Leonsis has repeatedly said that we are in a rebuild. A rebuild that has various stages. Let's not kid ourselves. It's not saying a lot, but the team with a healthy Wall/Nene will be the best one we've put out on the court since the Big 3 were in their primes. I'm going to stand pat on my prediction for 35-40 wins.

One thing you're getting hung up on is salary. The 28 mil is irrelevant. We buy out Shard, and then what? Would Luis Scola or anyone else have made a bigger difference than the two guys we brought in? These guys are only here for the maximum, 2 years. The reason I say maximum is that one (or both) should be valuable trade chips next year as their deals are expiring. 2014 is going to be a huge year for the franchise. Guys like Wall, Seraphin, etc will all be up for extensions. By then, we'll have hopefully shed the contracts of Ariza/Okafor and will be looked at as a team on the rise and a possible FA destination for other guys around the league.

My one issue with the team currently is that Ernie was retained. I'll never undserstand it or give the man credit for cleaning up his mistakes. Now, if I remember correctly he was only given a one year deal, so a lot is riding on this season for Grunfeld.

We'll see what happens going forward. Either you'll be correct with your pessimism, or you'll slowly start to regain faith with the organization.
post #41 of 1082
I feel like john wall stays getting stress related injuries, remember his rookie season, hopefully that's not the case, don't wanna see him hurt 3 to 7 times in a season
post #42 of 1082
Jordan Crawford looks like somebody the Wizards found playing at Run n Shoot one night and decided to ink him to a deal. mean.gif


Rough day for the area sports yesterday.....Skins lose, Orioles lose a tough late inning game, the Wizards are the Wizards still. At least the Nats won.
post #43 of 1082
I'm entering my 12th year as a season ticket holder (got them when MJ came back) and I don't think the playoffs are very realistic, even the 8th seed. I mean, we just don't have the talent. AND, I think an appearance as an 8th seed would actually be worse for team development than missing the playoffs, as others have said. Perhaps my biggest fear would be Ted and the rest of the front office thinking that a playoff berth is an accomplishment and, thus, they are on the right path.

I'd like for the team to be both good AND entertaining. As flawed as the Gilbert-Jamison-Hughes/Butler teams were, at least they were fun to watch. And provided the only second round appearance this team has had since the 80s.
post #44 of 1082
Yeah for the last 20 years plus, all we have is a Gilbert Arenas GW jumper against Chicago in the 1st round......that is it. mean.gif
post #45 of 1082
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Originally Posted by RDFM View Post

I'm entering my 12th year as a season ticket holder (got them when MJ came back) and I don't think the playoffs are very realistic, even the 8th seed. I mean, we just don't have the talent. AND, I think an appearance as an 8th seed would actually be worse for team development than missing the playoffs, as others have said. Perhaps my biggest fear would be Ted and the rest of the front office thinking that a playoff berth is an accomplishment and, thus, they are on the right path.
I'd like for the team to be both good AND entertaining. As flawed as the Gilbert-Jamison-Hughes/Butler teams were, at least they were fun to watch. And provided the only second round appearance this team has had since the 80s.

I think making the playoffs is important for the development of our franchise player.

The last thing I want to see happen is to watch him become the star we all know he will become in another city
post #46 of 1082
I'm not sure he is quite franchise-caliber sadly.
post #47 of 1082
Caught some of the game last night. A few observations:

Jan Vesely does NOT look like a guy who can get more than 10mpg. He's a bust in every sense of the word. Dude looks completely lost on the court. SMH.

Martell Webster IS our starter at the 3. Dude has been balling since day 1. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Yup, PLEASE start Brad Beal.

For as little game as AJ Price has, I'm happy to see that he won't back down from guys on the other team.
post #48 of 1082
I like the beal-wall combo & i think its critical for this team to make the playoffs this year or atleast hover around the playoffs. Although emeka and Ariza arent star players they are players who can get this team to play solid and become big trade chips next year
post #49 of 1082
Caught some of the game last night.

Not sure who the stength and conditioning coach is, but a few of the players could use some reps in the weight room (Mack) and need to get back in shape.


Beal looks solid, I just wish he and Wall could be building chemistry in practice and these preseason games. Beal is the type of player DC needs, a quite confident, hardworking guy who is an impact player. It looks like he will pay immediate dividends.



Good to see Blatche out there too......on a team that doesn't say Wizards on the jersey.
post #50 of 1082
yeah Beal is looking good out there..very happy with how Webster has been playing.
post #51 of 1082
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JJs07 View Post

Caught some of the game last night. A few observations:

Jan Vesely does NOT look like a guy who can get more than 10mpg. He's a bust in every sense of the word. Dude looks completely lost on the court. SMH.

Martell Webster IS our starter at the 3. Dude has been balling since day 1. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Yup, PLEASE start Brad Beal.

For as little game as AJ Price has, I'm happy to see that he won't back down from guys on the other team.

 

Remember "Thunderstruck," Hollywood's answer to the question no one asked:  "What if you made Space Jam without Michael Jordan or the Looney Tunes characters and focused it entirely on one of the talent-drained NBA Stars?"  

 

You don't need to pay $7.50 to see what it would be like if Kevin Durant lost all of his talent.  Just watch Jan Vesely.  

 

For about the same price as Thunderstruck's entire budget, the Wizards will see what it's like to give heavy minutes to a 6'11" guy who can run the floor, but can't shoot, dribble, pass, defend, hold his ground, or tie his shoes.  He has no touch, no handle, no instincts, and no clue. 

 

He's not an NBA player.  His best skill for Partizan Belgrade was dunking, which, at his height, requires him to reach up and lean forward.  And, for that, he was dubbed "the dunk ninja" overseas.  I'm afraid that doesn't really translate.  Here in the NBA, he lives solely on garbage points and, for that, he deserves nothing more than garbage minutes.  He should be behind every forward we have on the depth chart.  End of the bench?  Sit him twelve rows behind the bench.  


I've had enough of seeing 20+ minutes, 5 fouls, no free throws, and below 30% shooting.  This guy delivers worse lines than Tori Spelling.

 

We could've had Klay Thompson, though I understand this team's reluctance to draft a player with a drug-related suspension.  We could've drafted Kawhi Leonard, who was going to the Wizards in a number of the mock drafts.  That would've been pretty nice.  As "projects", I'd be happy with Biyombo over Vesely.   I wasn't thrilled when the mocks were projecting Montejunas, but I'd taken Montejunas over Vesely in a heartbeat.  I'd be happy with Lavoy Allen or Kenneth Faried over Vesely.  I'd be happy with an an empty chair over Vesely.  At least the chair could set a pick without fouling. 

 

2011 was a weak, weak draft, but we still could've traded that pick.  It would've been better to PASS on the pick than to pay $3.5 million per year and waste a roster spot on a non-contributor.  Send him to the D-league so I don't have to look at him anymore.  He simply cannot play at this level - and anyone who thinks "it's too early to judge" hasn't been kept track with our player development history.  What you see is what you'll get.  The guy is a certified bum. 

 

Prove me wrong, Jan.  Prove me wrong. 

post #52 of 1082
I would rather see Joel Osteen in a Wizards uniform than Vesely. When I watch him play, I have to remind myself that the Wizards actually CHOSE this guy......he wasn't some baggage in a bad trade or a player the team was stuck with. mean.gif
post #53 of 1082
I apologize for thinking the Hornets deal wasn't "that bad". I was wrong.

In the back of my mind...I was thinking Ariza/Okafor are still serviceable vets. And even moreso I was just elated that the Blatche/McGee/Young era had come to an end (I don't care if all 3 become all stars...they had to go).

I take back whatever I said to people who were weary of the deal. They were right. That deal set us back.

- Ariza is TERRIBLE. Absolutely TERRIBLE. He can't dribble. He can't shoot. Outside of playing passing lanes...he's not even that good of a defender anymore
- Okafor played decent against the Nets...and if he can remain serviceable for at least 65 games this year he's not bad to have. But still...I'd have rather just paid Shard to leave.
- This team is going to be bad for for the next two years pending some sort of miraculous trade for a star or John Wall turns into a 24 and 10 player. So whatever money comes off the book for 2014...who's really going to want and come and play here?
- The draft isn't that great next year. 2014 is looking good tho eyes.gif
- All that said...I am TOTALLY against spending just to spend. I noticed alot of fans upset that we weren't players in Free Agency the past couple of years but for what? Why overspend for guys that aren't going to place you in the top 4 teams in the conference. I'm all about having flexibility. If we're not fielding a top playoff team...why throw big money at somebody like Kris Humphries just because you had it sitting around? Point blank...we need to find our cornerstones and then build your team through free agency. I believe we have our ONE cornerstone (Wall) and despite his faults...I respectfully disagree with anyone who believes he isn't.
- http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ = Who on that list puts us over the top that we would realistically have a shot at? If we could somehow find a way to get DMC...that would be perfect but that's a long shot. We should have been finding a way to get him after his rookie season when they were more likely to try and move him.

On to player evals...

- Jan Vesley just isn't a basketball player. I tried to look past his faults and focus on the things he does well...but unfortunately I just don't see what his ceiling is. He's tall, is pretty quick, and jumps high. That's pretty much it. He shows no signs of developing any sort of legitimate skill set. Most "projects" still show signs of what they can eventually become. For example...we all know what Javale could be if he put it all together. Jan on the other hand? I'm not sure. He's an offensive liability at the 3, and too weak to play the 4. His only use on the floor is in the open court and unfortunately...we can't fast break for every offensive possession in every game. He's useless. I hope I'm proven wrong...but I kind of seen the writing on the wall with him last year. Another wasted pick.

- Brad Beal is going to be a BEAST. He may fly under the radar all the way to ROY. Leading all rookies in scoring in the preseason despite only being 5th in minutes. Kid is just super smooth. I didn't see it at Florida...but now I'm understanding the Ray Allen comparisons. His jumpshot is just a beautiful thing to watch coming off screens. He may literally be our most steady player this season. Some things he'll learn as he goes along...like not going up for weak *** layups with premium athletes like Kris Humphries trailing you on the break. But he'll be aight.

- I hate Jordan Crawford. Nick Young Jr. It's frustrating because for every good thing he does...he takes two steps back by following up with his typical "shoot first, shoot second, shoot third" tendencies. It sucks because he has talent...he just plays the game the wrong way.

- We have the worst backup point guard core in NBA history. I challenge any of you to find me a trio worse than Mack, Pargo, and Price. I dare you.

I don't know how I thought this would be a playoff team. Quite honestly...even at full strength...we're going to struggle to get that 8th spot.
post #54 of 1082
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Originally Posted by Methodical Management View Post

Remember "Thunderstruck," Hollywood's answer to the question no one asked:  "What if you made Space Jam without Michael Jordan or the Looney Tunes characters and focused it entirely on one of the talent-drained NBA Stars?"  

You don't need to pay $7.50 to see what it would be like if Kevin Durant lost all of his talent.  Just watch Jan Vesely.  

For about the same price as Thunderstruck's entire budget, the Wizards will see what it's like to give heavy minutes to a 6'11" guy who can run the floor, but can't shoot, dribble, pass, defend, hold his ground, or tie his shoes.  He has no touch, no handle, no instincts, and no clue. 

He's not an NBA player.  His best skill for Partizan Belgrade was dunking, which, at his height, requires him to reach up and lean forward.  And, for that, he was dubbed "the dunk ninja" overseas.  I'm afraid that doesn't really translate.  Here in the NBA, he lives solely on garbage points and, for that, he deserves nothing more than garbage minutes.  He should be behind every forward we have on the depth chart.  End of the bench?  Sit him twelve rows behind the bench.  


I've had enough of seeing 20+ minutes, 5 fouls, no free throws, and below 30% shooting.  This guy delivers worse lines than Tori Spelling.

We could've had Klay Thompson, though I understand this team's reluctance to draft a player with a drug-related suspension.  We could've drafted Kawhi Leonard, who was going to the Wizards in a number of the mock drafts.  That would've been pretty nice.  As "projects", I'd be happy with Biyombo over Vesely.   I wasn't thrilled when the mocks were projecting Montejunas, but I'd taken Montejunas over Vesely in a heartbeat.  I'd be happy with Lavoy Allen or Kenneth Faried over Vesely.  I'd be happy with an an empty chair over Vesely.  At least the chair could set a pick without fouling. 

2011 was a weak, weak draft, but we still could've traded that pick.  It would've been better to PASS on the pick than to pay $3.5 million per year and waste a roster spot on a non-contributor.  Send him to the D-league so I don't have to look at him anymore.  He simply cannot play at this level - and anyone who thinks "it's too early to judge" hasn't been kept track with our player development history.  What you see is what you'll get.  The guy is a certified bum. 

Prove me wrong, Jan.  Prove me wrong. 

One of my problems w. Vesely is that he has shown no improvement in his game since last season. I expected MUCH more out of him. He was the #6 pick. He has pro experience. He's on the older end of the rookies drafted last year (especially in the top-10). I can't stand when people try to justify the selection by saying things like "well, he does things that don't show up in the stat sheet." or "he sets amazing picks." You don't take a guy that high in the draft to do those things. THose are expectations for guys drafted in round 2 out of Duke. He's turning out to look like a colossal bust.

At least with a guy like Chris Singleton (who I'm not high on), he's at least shown through summer league and the preseason that he's been working on improving his game. Where is it with Jan?

Also, I'm not exactly sure what's going on w/ Ariza. Dude says he's trying to get adjusted, but IMO, he looks like he doesn't give a **** out there on the floor. I highly doubt that he'd pull a Mike Bibby, but damn....he looks horrible. I didn't think much of the Martell Webster signing, but he looks like he's going to be our starting 3 to open the year.

Guys have to get healthy and play close to .500 ball while Wall is out. Might be easier said than done with the way the roster is shaking out at the moment.

*Brad Beal is silky smooth out there. Dude just knows how to ball. I know Wall has to be excited at the prospect of sharing the backcourt w/ him. Got two franchise cornerstones - build from there. PLEASE.
post #55 of 1082
completely agree with what yall have said about Jan, he has zero game and literally hasn't made any improvements from what i've seen thus far

knowing Faried and Klay were drafted after him makes me cringe sick.gif
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post #56 of 1082
Hey, not a Wizards fan here but I'll be keeping an eye on the team this season for Beal's rookie campaign. He's been looking good from what I've seen. Still don't understand why Crawford is starting ahead of him but eyes.gif. Hope you guys get that 8th seed.
post #57 of 1082
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by WAVY BONE View Post

I apologize for thinking the Hornets deal wasn't "that bad". I was wrong.

In the back of my mind...I was thinking Ariza/Okafor are still serviceable vets. And even moreso I was just elated that the Blatche/McGee/Young era had come to an end (I don't care if all 3 become all stars...they had to go).

I take back whatever I said to people who were weary of the deal. They were right. That deal set us back.

- Ariza is TERRIBLE. Absolutely TERRIBLE. He can't dribble. He can't shoot. Outside of playing passing lanes...he's not even that good of a defender anymore
- Okafor played decent against the Nets...and if he can remain serviceable for at least 65 games this year he's not bad to have. But still...I'd have rather just paid Shard to leave.
- This team is going to be bad for for the next two years pending some sort of miraculous trade for a star or John Wall turns into a 24 and 10 player. So whatever money comes off the book for 2014...who's really going to want and come and play here?
- The draft isn't that great next year. 2014 is looking good tho eyes.gif
- All that said...I am TOTALLY against spending just to spend. I noticed alot of fans upset that we weren't players in Free Agency the past couple of years but for what? Why overspend for guys that aren't going to place you in the top 4 teams in the conference. I'm all about having flexibility. If we're not fielding a top playoff team...why throw big money at somebody like Kris Humphries just because you had it sitting around? Point blank...we need to find our cornerstones and then build your team through free agency. I believe we have our ONE cornerstone (Wall) and despite his faults...I respectfully disagree with anyone who believes he isn't.
- http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ = Who on that list puts us over the top that we would realistically have a shot at? If we could somehow find a way to get DMC...that would be perfect but that's a long shot. We should have been finding a way to get him after his rookie season when they were more likely to try and move him.
 


See, the problem I have is that, while we do get cap room in two years once Ariza and Okafor's AWFUL deals come off the books, there was NO advantage to taking them on for TWO years when we could've done what New Orleans did and simply waived Lewis NOW to gain cap relief IMMEDIATELY.  

 

I agree that it makes no sense to overpay for second or third-tier talent, which is a weakness of all bottom-feeders like Washington, but there were bargains to be found this summer.  Just look at the amnesty signings!  

 

You cannot tell me that Brand, Scola, Kaman, Childress, or even Haywood wouldn't have helped this team as much or more than Ariza and Okafor - and at a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced rate.  If there's nobody out there you're interested in signing at a bargain rate, FINE!  You don't HAVE to spend the money.  In fact, it's to your advantage to have a little extra space so you can absorb a deal as part of a mid-season trade when teams in the middle of the pack start getting desperate.  

 

The worst case scenario for us was to lock ourselves in to mediocrity.  The Wizards will not find a greater fool willing to eat Okafor and Ariza's contracts.  Nothing short of including John Wall or Bradley Beal would make such a trade possible.  We are stuck with this flawed core for two full seasons, and when their time is up, Wall's CONTRACT is up.  Would any of us truly blame him if he opts to leave at that point?  

 

 

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Hey, not a Wizards fan here but I'll be keeping an eye on the team this season for Beal's rookie campaign. He's been looking good from what I've seen. Still don't understand why Crawford is starting ahead of him but eyes.gif. Hope you guys get that 8th seed.

Thanks for the well wishes!  We're all just as confused as you when it comes to Crawford starting over Beal, but that's what you get when you appoint your assistant coach as your head coach for no reason other than the fact that he's already under contract.  

 

We can understand why the Thunder would prefer to bring Harden off the bench.  We can understand why the Spurs bring Manu off their bench.  I don't understand why the Wizards want to bring Beal off of their bench, aside from the fact that "he's a rookie."  Our starting lineup doesn't have enough firepower to contend with the league's better teams.  We're one dimensional and far to easy to defend.  Pack the lane, give the selfish, lackluster shooters enough rope to hang themselves.  

 

With Okafor AND Nene, there won't be many driving lanes for Wall and, frankly, I'd rather not see him become the next Derrick Rose in terms of injuries.  We didn't draft him to play halfback.  That means we need to have either cutters off of Okafor/Nene screens or we need to play inside out, which negates Wall's passing abilities.  In either case, Beal is 1) a better shooter than Crawford (ESPECIALLY off screens and in pick & pop) and 2) he's also a better FINISHER than Crawford.  

 

Leaving him to come off the bench simply because he's a rookie and that's "conventional thinking" is a waste of everyone's time.  And besides:  if we're not paying to watch a winner, at least let us watch the kid play.  Jordan Crawford had his chance.  

 

 

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One of my problems w. Vesely is that he has shown no improvement in his game since last season. I expected MUCH more out of him. He was the #6 pick. He has pro experience. He's on the older end of the rookies drafted last year (especially in the top-10). I can't stand when people try to justify the selection by saying things like "well, he does things that don't show up in the stat sheet." or "he sets amazing picks." You don't take a guy that high in the draft to do those things. THose are expectations for guys drafted in round 2 out of Duke. He's turning out to look like a colossal bust.

At least with a guy like Chris Singleton (who I'm not high on), he's at least shown through summer league and the preseason that he's been working on improving his game. Where is it with Jan?

Also, I'm not exactly sure what's going on w/ Ariza. Dude says he's trying to get adjusted, but IMO, he looks like he doesn't give a **** out there on the floor. I highly doubt that he'd pull a Mike Bibby, but damn....he looks horrible. I didn't think much of the Martell Webster signing, but he looks like he's going to be our starting 3 to open the year.

Guys have to get healthy and play close to .500 ball while Wall is out. Might be easier said than done with the way the roster is shaking out at the moment.

*Brad Beal is silky smooth out there. Dude just knows how to ball. I know Wall has to be excited at the prospect of sharing the backcourt w/ him. Got two franchise cornerstones - build from there. PLEASE.

I think Singleton's a solid reserve.  Every team needs a utility guy who can come in, play solid defense, and hit an open corner shot.  He has the potential to fulfill that role for us, and his size only adds to his versatility.  He's the only reason the 2011 draft wasn't an absolute wash for us.  

 

Perhaps what I like best about Webster, from what I've seen thus far, is how he's managed to manufacture points from the line even when his shot isn't falling.  We don't have nearly enough of that on this team.  Guys *cough* Crawford *cough* just settle for jump shots.  

 

Ariza was the presumed starter heading into training camp.  Now, it seems that we have dilemmas/openings at multiple positions.  This begs the question...

 

 

With Wall and Nene out:  who would you guys start to open the season?  

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PG - G-Wiz or a concession vendor
SG - Beal
SF - Webster
PF - Booker
C - Okafor
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The fact that Singleton bought $10,000 on lottery tickets as a professional athlete leads me to believe he is not confident in his abilities or his longevity in the NBA. Dude is one of those old looking young dudes. What is he 22/23? He looks 36 out there.....hope he improves this season.
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Here is the Wizards roster from 11/12 years ago:




http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2001.html#roster::none


Sadly.....not much as changed in comparison to this roster.
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