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Poll Results: Will the Washington Wizards make the playoffs this year?

Poll expired: Oct 31, 2012  
  • 26% (7)
    Yes
  • 73% (19)
    No
26 Total Votes  
post #631 of 1110
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He's been the owner for not even 3 years now. One of the worst owners in sports? Really?

 

 

And dont forget about the Capitals last place team in the NHL, and the Mystics the worst team in the league last year

post #632 of 1110
Vesley is the biggest draft bust in recent memory. Way to go Ernie!
post #633 of 1110
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Vesley is the biggest draft bust in recent memory. Way to go Ernie!

 

Thabeet certainly takes that title. But yes...Jan is Grade A trash.

post #634 of 1110
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And dont forget about the Capitals last place team in the NHL, and the Mystics the worst team in the league last year

laugh.gif One week into a shortened season and you really just brought up the Capitals? What about the playoff seasons they had after he purchased the team?

 

The Mystics? laugh.gif

post #635 of 1110
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laugh.gif One week into a shortened season and you really just brought up the Capitals? What about the playoff seasons they had after he purchased the team?

 

The Mystics? laugh.gif

 

What about the fact that the year BEFORE he purchased the team they were in the Stantly Cup Finals, and have not been back since? I brought up the Mystics, and Capitals to show you that all three of his teams are the worst in each of their leagues  

post #636 of 1110
A discussion about John Wall and where he stands in the NBA on FB.

I had to chime in

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post #637 of 1110
Bulls interested in Jan Vesely
post #638 of 1110
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Bulls interested in Jan Vesely

Jan vesley is euro trash, hope they take that bum
post #639 of 1110
hopefully we get something good in return for him

its sad he didnt pan out yet, idk but im always wary of international players
post #640 of 1110
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A discussion about John Wall and where he stands in the NBA on FB.

I had to chime in

https://www.facebook.com/robert.makana/posts/10200344053981637?comment_id=5856384¬if_t=feed_comment_reply

 

Your link wont work for me

post #641 of 1110
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Bulls interested in Jan Vesely
Its beyond me why Chicago would be interested in him. I hope the Wizards can get rid of Vesely. Even if there's 0 chance imagine getting Jimmy Butler in return.
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post #642 of 1110
Forgot to post the source...
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Chicago Bulls have spoken to the Washington Wizards expressing interest in F Jan Vesely. (Source: Rumor Press)

Take it for what it's worth. For as bad as Vesely is on the Wizards, I think he'd be 100x better playing under Thibs.

I just don't know what the Bulls would be offering back...
post #643 of 1110
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19h Chicago Bulls Rumors Chicago Bulls Rumors ‏@chicagobullsbot

Chicago Bulls have spoken to the Washington Wizards expressing interest in F Jan Vesely. (Source: Rumor Press)

Take it for what it's worth. For as bad as Vesely is on the Wizards, I think he'd be 100x better playing under Thibs.

I just don't know what the Bulls would be offering back...

I agree with this.

The kid is athletic and is a good defender on the perimeter. He struggles against bigger PFs but most people his size would. I think if he ever some how got a jumper he would be more then serviceable but you can say that about anyone really i guess.

Will be interested to see what the bulls would offer for him.
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post #644 of 1110
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I agree with this.

The kid is athletic and is a good defender on the perimeter. He struggles against bigger PFs but most people his size would. I think if he ever some how got a jumper he would be more then serviceable but you can say that about anyone really i guess.

Will be interested to see what the bulls would offer for him.

I think he could be a real good defender, The Wiz just don't know how to develop their players at all.
post #645 of 1110

A good defender on who exactly?

 

He's too small to guard 4's and not quick enough to guard 3's who can put the ball on the floor. Good defender on the perimeter my ***. He was getting burned on the wing in summer league.

 

He's trash...doesn't matter if God was coaching him.

 

He's nothing more than an "energy guy". He will never be anything more than serviceable. 

post #646 of 1110
I know a lot of the guys on the roster have their futures up in the air, but I would really like if we retained Martell Webster going forward.

Also, Emeka Okafor is playing AMAZING basketball. If KG isn't moved, I wonder if a team like the Clippers would be interested in him (Bledsoe + ?)
post #647 of 1110
GG Wiz

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post #648 of 1110
^It's crazy how confused the Clippers look without Chris Paul. Crawford will be huge in the playoffs though coming off the bench.
post #649 of 1110
Lol bro they were missing both CP3 and Blake Griffin

We caught them on a good night
post #650 of 1110
I was saying that based on how they played on the last few games, not just this one. They're really missing CP3 out there.

Hope he can get back on the court soon.
post #651 of 1110
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I know a lot of the guys on the roster have their futures up in the air, but I would really like if we retained Martell Webster going forward.

Also, Emeka Okafor is playing AMAZING basketball. If KG isn't moved, I wonder if a team like the Clippers would be interested in him (Bledsoe + ?)

The Clips' losing streak isn't exactly showcasing Bledsoe's ability to run a team.  I don't think he makes any sense for the Wiz anyways.  Somehow, I doubt it's truly his life's ambition to back up John Wall.  

 

They'd want to include Caron in any such deal to make the numbers work, and that's NOT happening.  Caron gave us some good years, but we already have one overpaid, over the hill SF on the roster.  We don't need a second.  I'd rather take Odom, who's in the last year of his deal, and then waive him.  Bledsoe/Odom for Okafor gives us a young asset with another year guaranteed left on a restricted free agent with value around the league and substantial cap savings.  That's not out of the question, especially if you think there's no real chance of retaining Okafor on a sensible contract once his current deal expires. 

 

I still think Okafor has more value next year, however, when he could help a playoff team AND provide an enormous expiring salary.  I believe there's a better deal out there for him than a guy we can't really use and cap room. 

 

If we were to make a move this year, I'd call up San Antonio and see if they're worried about Duncan's health.  Okafor's their kind of player.  They have some big decisions coming up this summer.  I'd take Stephen Jackson, DeJuan Blair, and Kawhi Leonard in exchange for Okafor and our second round pick.  The Spurs can sign Jax back this summer for all I care.  I just want the cap room and Kawhi - whom we SHOULD have taken over Vesely to begin with.

 

 

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19h Chicago Bulls Rumors Chicago Bulls Rumors ‏@chicagobullsbot

Chicago Bulls have spoken to the Washington Wizards expressing interest in F Jan Vesely. (Source: Rumor Press)

Take it for what it's worth. For as bad as Vesely is on the Wizards, I think he'd be 100x better playing under Thibs.

I just don't know what the Bulls would be offering back...

Thanks for posting the source.  I was beginning to suspect that the source was Jan's agent. 

 

If the Bulls really want to pay $3.5 million for 5 fouls in 15 minutes, be my guest.  I'd trade him for an expiring contract and a bag of ice.  

post #652 of 1110

Clipps suck! Washington on the come up!

post #653 of 1110
I legit yelled at the tv last night at Emeka. I love this dude lol. Those offensive rebounds....just the fact that he is giving effort smokin.gif

Okafor and Webster pure flames last night. Thank you for trying. Its sad that im so used to the wiz just mailing in loses that actually seeing players put in some effort makes me happy.
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post #654 of 1110
the Sucky part about trading for both Leonard and Blair is that we could have EASILY drafted both guys!!

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Fire ernie.

I think Emeka is going to be a hot commodity by the time the trade deadline comes around. With KG probably not being moved, this is a big who could help immediately on a contending team.
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post #655 of 1110

The Spurs actually have a good GM.

 

Don't think he'd actually give up Jax, Leonard, and Blair just for Okafor.

post #656 of 1110
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The Spurs actually have a good GM.

 

Don't think he'd actually give up Jax, Leonard, and Blair just for Okafor.

Have you looked at their roster lately?  All three are on expiring contracts.  Manu's in the last year of his deal.  Meanwhile, they have the following restricted free agents:  Tiago Splitter, Kawhi Leonard, Gary Neal, and Cory Joseph.  

 

San Antonio has great ownership, but they're not about to get killed by the luxury tax.  Manu's probably going to reduce his salary, as will Jax, but you KNOW that someone is going to throw money at Splitter, Leonard, AND Green.  Keeping all three will be nearly impossible.

 

If we give them a player they NEED to compete for a championship THIS YEAR, who's also under contract next year and would likely re-sign at a reduced rate thereafter, isn't that worth three guys who probably won't even be on your team next year?  You'd have the chance to sign back all three anyway.  We'd be trading Okafor essentially for the right to match any offer on Leonard.  

 

Blair's been in their doghouse for two years now.  He's already gone.  Jackson's needed to make the numbers work.  Kawhi's the only piece they'd have a tough time giving up, but they have to make a call on which guys to keep at some point.  

 

If they do the deal at the deadline, it's because they're nervous about Duncan's health.  Otherwise, I'd look at sign and trades with SA this summer.  

post #657 of 1110
Leonard is not a free agent and is looked upon as a building block for the future.

I could see Jackson and Blair being dealt though.
post #658 of 1110
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Leonard is not a free agent and is looked upon as a building block for the future.

I could see Jackson and Blair being dealt though.

This

Popovich said it before Leonard is the future of the spurs if anything it's him they keep going forward and most likely overpay.

Blair has been on the trading block the past three years so he's most likely gone this deadline

I could see Jax finishing out this season there, mainly since wherever he goes he ask for a contract, that will be a huge distraction so yea idk how this Okafor deal would work
post #659 of 1110
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Leonard is not a free agent and is looked upon as a building block for the future.

I could see Jackson and Blair being dealt though.

He's listed with a $1.9 million qualifying offer.  Doesn't that give him the right to become a restricted free agent, a la Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik?  If so, there's no guarantee they can keep him AND all of their other players.

 

My point is simply that something's gotta give there, and the Wizards should perform their due diligence and, if possible, try and take advantage.  Kawhi's a good player, but let's not go nuts and declare him untouchable.  The Spurs aren't eager to pull another Richard Jefferson move.  I expect many teams to panic and overpay for second and third tier talent.  The Spurs believe in their system, their coaches, and their scouts. 


Just look at the George Hill trade.  Many people questioned it at the time, and I'm sure if you'd asked Pop a week before that deal he'd have told you that George Hill was the future of the San Antonio Spurs, too.  

 

Bottom line:  they didn't want to overpay for a guy they felt they could replace.  Someone they really like on this year's team will likely fall into the same category.  I suspect that they'd rather swing a trade and bring something back of immediate value than just let that player walk, and it wouldn't shock me to see them deal at the deadline if they think it can help them in this year's playoffs.  They know their window is closing.

post #660 of 1110
He's in the second year of his rookie contract.

I'm on my phone at the moment so I can't go into too much detail until I get home to make the salary projections for the Spurs next season and beyond.
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