Official 2016 San Francisco Giants Season Thread - NLDS (3-1 CHC) Congrats Chicago Cubs! - Page 127
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Not to be that guy, but everybody loves Bumgarner, but Lincecum, Vogelsong and Cain have been better as of late.
Bumgarner 19 runs in last 24 1/3
Vogelsong 8 runs in last 25
Lincecum 1 run in last 30 1/3
Cain 4 runs in last 19 1/3
i hope hudson doesnt pitch in the all star game either, he could use the rest too.
With the second "half" of the season about to begin, I am actually pleasantly surprised with the fact that we are right in the middle of things. Granted, our ridiculous start to the season had a lot to do with that. But we are right in the middle of things.
I would like to quote something that I posted before the season. Its frustrating (in spite of being in the race), that the issues I thought we would have pre-season are the same issues we are basically having now. My mid season update is in blue.
-Posey to have a bounce back year.....He sorta is. Posey has still been very underwhelming to this point. We dont need MVPosey....just a solid all star caliber season (which he to this point is NOT having).
-Cain to have a bounce back year.....He is not. He has been pretty bad, sans a few starts. I said it recently half kidding....but Zito's contract is looking like a steal compared to this one.
-Vogelsong to have a bounce back year....Vogelsong is pitching much better than I expected.
-Lincecum to have a bounce back year.....Lincecum has been amazing recently. Lets hope it continues, as he like Vogelsong, has exceeded expectations so far.
-Pence to hit how he hit last year.....in spite of a slow start, Pence is Pence. A rock in this lineup.
-Pablo to stay healthy all year.....he has been healthy, he has just been awful. Shockingly awful.
-Pagan to return to form after missing most of last year due to injury....Might as well start calling him Angel Bogut. Huge hole in the order with his injury.
-Hudson to return to form after missing most of last year due to injury....Hudson has been a God send. Cant imagine the season without him.
-Belt to build on his 2013 second half.....he was starting to, until the injury. Lets hope he can have a good second half.
-Morse to be more productive than he has been for the past two years....Morse has been better than expected, but has slumped recently. He is historically a better first half player than second half player...which is worrisome.
-our bullpen to become a strength of our team again.....bullpen was our strength until Romo's implosion. If Casilla can hold down the closer spot, we should be fine.
-our bench to not be a joke like it was last year.....our bench is a joke....again.
I mean, this entire team is full of question marks. We literally need an overwhelming majority of those things I just listed to happen, or we are in for another tough season. If every one of those things happens, we can be a damn good team. I just wouldnt count on half of those to happen, let alone all of them.
Pumped for the season regardless.
Overall, I thought our team would need to have most of our question marks go well for us to be competitive. So far, I would say less than half of my concerns have not been real concerns.....yet we are just out of first place. I think we can turn things around and still compete for the division. If Scutaro can give us anything, and Pagan can come back...thats a start.
We have some work cut out for us, but its not impossible.
Here's to a good second half. Lets go!
I also think Cain will have a second half close to the second half he had last year.
I just hope Vogey and Timmy can maintain the pace they've set in the first half (i.e. keep providing innings and keep the ERA about the same).
Bum and Hudson need to reverse this mini slump they've fallen into recently.
The key will be if/how Pagan bounces back, and if we can start getting some production out of second base (whether its Scutaro or via trade).
I think we're gonna have some ups and downs with Morse, Belt, and Sandoval. Panda is going to have a lot of money riding on this second half, I hope he doesn't let that pressure get to him like the start of the season.
LA knows they're fortunate to have a 1 game lead right now, see how they intentionally set up their second half rotation to have their top 3 pitch against us when they come to town next weekend.
Also, other teams in the west would rather see us win the division. Check out the article below.
It is fair to say that Miguel Montero is not a fan of the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Arizona Diamondbacks catcher, whose locker was – awkwardly – right next to Yasiel Puig’s for two days at the All-Star Game in Minneapolis, is kind of blunt about it.
Montero was asked to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the two teams vying for control of the NL West and, in the middle of his answer, he blurted out, “I don’t know. I really like the Giants a little better than the Dodgers.”
The Dodgers can only hope the rest of the division doesn’t feel that way or, if it does, that those three teams don’t play any harder against them than against the Giants, because their playoff hopes could hang in the balance.
The Dodgers, who lead the Giants by one game, have only 65 games remaining, including 12 head-to-head games with San Francisco, starting July 25 at AT&T Park. The Dodgers have 20 games left against the three other teams in their division, teams they have dominated to climb into first place.
Montero, it should be noted, has a history of bad blood with the Dodgers. Puig collided with him at home plate last season and appeared to glare in his direction afterward, prompting a finger wag from Montero, who criticized Puig to the media. He was in the middle of the teams’ fight at Dodger Stadium in June of 2013.
Montero said he has a fondness for San Francisco manager Bruce Bochy and prefers San Francisco’s style of play to the Dodgers’. He does give the Dodgers an edge over San Francisco in terms of offensive firepower, but would award “intangibles” to the Bay Area team, it’s fair to say.
“They kind of respect the game. They go out there and play the game really hard,” Montero said of the Giants, before gesturing in the direction of some Dodgers' All-Star game lockers. “These guys, too… They’ve got a great pitching staff. One to five, you can’t go wrong and they’ve got a really good offense. I don’t know, I just like the Giants better, just me personally. They’re a sneaky team, quieter.”
With Puig on their team, nobody has called the Dodgers “quiet” lately, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good. They just haven’t been particularly good when they play the Giants so far, going 3-7 in head-to-head matchups. On the other hand, they have gone 26-10 against the three sub-.500 teams in their division while the Giants have gone just 18-18 against those teams. It’s that disparity, largely, that allowed the Dodgers to make up 10 games in the standings in about four weeks.
But what, exactly, will that dramatic June charge set up? Could this be the great Giants-Dodgers pennant race the teams’ fans have been missing for the last 10 years, or are the Dodgers in the midst of sailing right on by the Giants? Is the balance of power about to swing dramatically in the Giants’ favor once again?
“Baseball is exciting when there are close races. As a competitor you live for that,” said San Francisco’s Hunter Pence. “We’ll see. It can go a lot of different ways. The future is yet to be told, and that’s why we play the games.”
A hot-and-heavy Giants-Dodgers pennant race hasn’t really materialized in 10 years, since Steve Finley’s dramatic grand slam at Dodger Stadium. The Dodgers made the playoffs in 2006, 2008, 2009 and last year. They were in the hunt late in 2012, but they were vying with the St. Louis Cardinals for the wild card. The Giants, who had already sewn up the division, eliminated them from playoff contention.
The Giants held dominion over the West in 2010 and 2012 on their way to World Series titles. They were non-factors from 2005 to 2009.
The teams' clashing personalities, equal parts image and reality, have spiced up the rivalry lately. How many times have we heard about the Giants’ chemistry? How many times have we heard about the Dodgers’ payroll or been reminded of Puig's theatrics?
“There are a couple of guys that have exuberant personalities on our squad, but for the most part it’s guys who are quiet and go about their business,” said veteran Giants pitcher Tim Hudson. “The Dodgers… I mean, it’s L.A. It’s an exciting city and they can be an exciting team. It’s just two different kinds of personalities, but two very good clubs.”
The most public display of how differently the teams approach the game came in May, when Puig and Madison Bumgarner exchanged words near home plate after a Puig home run. Apparently, Bumgarner didn’t like Puig’s pace around the bases. The Dodgers were baffled that anyone would take offense, especially since Puig had been far more demonstrative at other times. Dodgers manager Don Mattingly called it a “double standard,” and several Dodgers pointed out that Angel Pagan has his own way of celebrating his hits.
“I played back when things would have been frowned upon 10 or 15 years ago, but now, you know what, the style of play guys are bringing to the field every day is relatively accepted,” Hudson said. “You change with the times. I don’t want to be the old-fogey grumpy guy that gets mad when somebody stares at a homer.”
Personalities aside, the teams really aren’t that different in terms of execution. They both rely on stingy starting pitching as their primary defense.
“Just really deep, talented teams all the way through,” was how Arizona’s All-Star first baseman Paul Goldschmidt put it.
The Dodgers are certainly mindful of their remaining games with the Giants. They lined up their pitching rotation out of the break so that Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke and Hyun-Jin Ryu would all pitch in San Francisco. That means No. 4 starter Dan Haren, who struggled entering the break, will pitch Friday night in St. Louis.
Maybe it will come down to those games. Or, perhaps one lowly team in the division will get to play spoiler. The Dodgers conclude their season against the Colorado Rockies. The Giants finish up against the San Diego Padres.
“You never know, maybe we can go on a run and get back in it,” Montero said. “If not, hopefully we can screw somebody else.”
I'm honestly not sure what to do about Romo but man oh man, his confidence is shot and he looks like trash out there.